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Arrow weight insert #8188672
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Ok so question.

When it comes to inserts how crazy should I be when it comes to quality? Like I'm gonna be getting some fairly decent shafts, and good broadheads ( still stuck between the grizzly 200gr and Magnus stinger buzz cuts )but is easy to find a good one , same with everything else... Except for inserts well at least the heavy ones . That being said I'm seeing these 200+ gr ones all over eBay so what just wondering is these should be ok or at where potential problems with these ? It's either this or I go with the stuff from ranch fairy or grizzly stik . At the very least these should be good to just tuning right ?
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I shoot magnus stingers with gold tip shafts I would suggest using the spine weight for your bow . Archery pro shop can really help you out . If your hunting deer it doesn’t take much to kill one

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Those inserts look to me like someone who is trying to play around with F.O.C. and a heavier shaft.

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What are you trying to accomplish with that heavy of an insert? Instead of having such a forward-heavy shaft/broadhead combination, I'd favor shooting a thicker-walled, heavier shaft.


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Re: Arrow weight insert [Re: WI Outdoors] #8188683
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Those inserts look to me like someone who is trying to play around with F.O.C. and a heavier shaft.


Shhhhhh don't go spreading my plans like that grin

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Originally Posted by jalstat
I shoot magnus stingers with gold tip shafts I would suggest using the spine weight for your bow . Archery pro shop can really help you out . If your hunting deer it doesn’t take much to kill one
Pigs actually smile

Actually still testing different spine weights 350-500 honestly not seeing a don't of difference in 15yd Grouping, well at least right now , I'd really need to cut them all down and get them weighed the same I feel to really get a good test.. the 500's seem to just high higher though

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Originally Posted by jalstat
I shoot magnus stingers with gold tip shafts I would suggest using the spine weight for your bow . Archery pro shop can really help you out . If your hunting deer it doesn’t take much to kill one


This and when I wanted more weight it was when the boys were shooting low poundage, short draw lengths and carbon arrows are lighter than aluminum I used to shoot when I was a kid and I worried about enough umph hiting the deer. I had the shop add 100 gr inserts and went with 125 gr muzzys. Full pass throughs at 45lb and 26" draw light with Carbon arrows on indiana deer were the results.

Not sure why you want to go so heavy? Wanting to get 100fps or shoot through 3 deer in a line. Seems like really need in to lob them in. Maybe it's a traditional bow thing?

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Originally Posted by CTRAPS
What are you trying to accomplish with that heavy of an insert? Instead of having such a forward-heavy shaft/broadhead combination, I'd favor shooting a thicker-walled, heavier shaft.


Gonna be playing with the high FOC stuff for a bit. Idk seems to make the most sense for what I wanna do but don't worry arrows will be heavy think one so where looking are like a 9.1 gpi ? If I calculated everything out right I should have close to a 675 gr arrow 27" arrow.

Honestly after seeing with a 1000gr on does im a bit tickled to try building one of those buuuut thats a bit much an something for later on down the road... I still need to get my feeders up smile

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I think you'll find a better transfer of energy from a heavier, slower arrow vs. a lighter, faster-shot arrow.


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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by jalstat
I shoot magnus stingers with gold tip shafts I would suggest using the spine weight for your bow . Archery pro shop can really help you out . If your hunting deer it doesn’t take much to kill one
Pigs actually smile

Actually still testing different spine weights 350-500 honestly not seeing a don't of difference in 15yd Grouping, well at least right now , I'd really need to cut them all down and get them weighed the same I feel to really get a good test.. the 500's seem to just high higher though

You need to shoot bare shafts through paper.

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Originally Posted by CTRAPS
I think you'll find a better transfer of energy from a heavier, slower arrow vs. a lighter, faster-shot arrow.

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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors


Actually still testing different spine weights 350-500 honestly not seeing a don't of difference in 15yd Grouping, well at least right now , I'd really need to cut them all down and get them weighed the same I feel to really get a good test.. the 500's seem to just high higher though

You need to shoot bare shafts through paper.[/quote]

Yeah that's something else I need to try. So many different tuning methods I'd would drive a guy nuts....well normal people I guess I find all of it pretty fun ...in a pull your hair out kinda way laugh lil thought though now that I'm thinking about it, don't think I've ever seen read guys paper tune confused kinda odd now that I think about it

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by jalstat
I shoot magnus stingers with gold tip shafts I would suggest using the spine weight for your bow . Archery pro shop can really help you out . If your hunting deer it doesn’t take much to kill one

Not sure why you want to go so heavy? Wanting to get 100fps or shoot through 3 deer in a line. Seems like really need in to lob them in. Maybe it's a traditional bow thing?


Well since 15yd what I'm setting as my absolute max right now the lobbing issue shouldn't be much of a thing. Really wanna keep everything under 10yd smile

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Originally Posted by Wolfdog91
Originally Posted by jalstat
I shoot magnus stingers with gold tip shafts I would suggest using the spine weight for your bow . Archery pro shop can really help you out . If your hunting deer it doesn’t take much to kill one
Pigs actually smile

Actually still testing different spine weights 350-500 honestly not seeing a don't of difference in 15yd Grouping, well at least right now , I'd really need to cut them all down and get them weighed the same I feel to really get a good test.. the 500's seem to just high higher though

Don’t have no experience with pigs , kill them all lol good luck

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How do you find your center shot if you don't paper tune?

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I figured you were wanting to shoot through chain mail at 250 yards. Nothing wrong with a 15 yard limit shot quite a few deer inside of that. No pigs here thank goodness.

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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
How do you find your center shot if you don't paper tune?

As far as my compound.... Well just fiddled around with my rest till my arrow got my target with now left or right tail kick
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Think this was at 40 ? All look good to me..no paper tuning or anything like that. Jua running that rest around

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Paper tuning is one of the last things to do, you will be able to hear it with your shots when you are at the point to do so- this will come when you build the appropriate arrow. There is a harmony between the arrow and your bow. However, tuning is pointless until you develop consistency. It will be a very frustrating and a losing battle until you get to that point.

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Killed a pile of pigs with carbon and 100gr broadheads and farther than 10yds. But that’s with a compound. A cut on contact broadhead really helps with pigs and you already have that listed.
I’ve watched the Ranch Fairy and I think he must have lost a huge buck at one point in his life with the “normal” set ups and now wants a heavier setup that will “punch through” everything no matter the shot. Don’t believe me, check out some of his followers posts, lol. They’ll launch that log and not think twice about where it goes because they believe heavier is better.

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Originally Posted by Slicktreedog
Paper tuning is one of the last things to do, you will be able to hear it with your shots when you are at the point to do so- this will come when you build the appropriate arrow. There is a harmony between the arrow and your bow. However, tuning is pointless until you develop consistency. It will be a very frustrating and a losing battle until you get to that point.

Paper tuning is what you do when you set your bow up ain’t it? Like add the rest and shoot to get everything right? Bare shaft then vanes? Maybe y’all are talking something different than what I’m thinking of.

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