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Middle Class #8266444
11/20/24 10:15 AM
11/20/24 10:15 AM
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Between $52,000 and $98,500/yr. Do you agree?


-Goofy
Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266445
11/20/24 10:17 AM
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Sounds about right for here....though you'd be struggling at the 52 level...

Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266464
11/20/24 10:50 AM
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Is that for an individual or is it per household? The thing is the huge variance in the cost of living in different areas. Around here 52k for a household would be tight but doable for some people. 98k is higher than a lot of households here. This is in rural southwest WI.

It would be easier if people lived within their means and didn't want to live a champagne lifestyle on a beer or water income. Amazing to me how many don't grasp don't spend more than you make.

Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266482
11/20/24 11:20 AM
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definitely have to ask single or couple or how man kids and where and when did they buy their house

there is a new lower middle class term now as well

brittle class , is a line between middle class and poverty , where the next thing that breaks or life issue can take you below that line.

it will vary from housing market to housing market

lots of people finding themselves in the brittle class


America only has one issue, we have a Responsibility crisis and everything else stems from it.
Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266488
11/20/24 11:30 AM
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Here in small town NE, yes. Other places, may not.

Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266490
11/20/24 11:34 AM
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Seems about right for here, at the lower end of that a family will be renting or living in a small inexpensive house.

Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266491
11/20/24 11:35 AM
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jobs local to my farm ar between 48 and 75k. Now subtract insurance cost and deductible, 401 and roth contributions, and taxes sure doesn't leave much left and why I'm still traveling for work.

Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266494
11/20/24 11:37 AM
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You can make any number up

Re: Middle Class [Re: WI Outdoors] #8266500
11/20/24 11:49 AM
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
You can make any number up

Yep

Re: Middle Class [Re: WI Outdoors] #8266511
11/20/24 12:01 PM
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
You can make any number up



True. 97.65% of all figures are made up.


I have nothing clever to put here.





Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266515
11/20/24 12:11 PM
11/20/24 12:11 PM
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Here is the actual claim.

According to the data, the middle-class household income averages across the U.S. ranged between $52,000 and $98,500 in 2024. But the study also found that the income levels required to be considered middle-class varied significantly depending on where a person lived.


-Goofy
Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266516
11/20/24 12:13 PM
11/20/24 12:13 PM
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Here’s a nugget regarding # of people.

Pew defines a middle-income household (specifically, a family of three) as one that earns between $56,600 and $169,800 in 2022 dollars. Using the Labor Department's inflation calculator, that adjusts to roughly $60,882 and $182,646 in 2024 dollars.


-Goofy
Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266520
11/20/24 12:23 PM
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Depends where you're living at. That's probably really good money some places, and you'd make more waiting tables in some localities. Just depends where you are and what the cost of everything around you is. I make $52.19 an hour and it never seems to add up to much, but everything is very expensive, a can of Copenhagen around here is $12

Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266525
11/20/24 12:28 PM
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Next ? : What keeps “you” from moving to middle class?


-Goofy
Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266619
11/20/24 02:06 PM
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Seems a little low. That is probably for a single person, not a married couple.


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: Middle Class [Re: Badger23] #8266621
11/20/24 02:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Badger23
Is that for an individual or is it per household? The thing is the huge variance in the cost of living in different areas. Around here 52k for a household would be tight but doable for some people. 98k is higher than a lot of households here. This is in rural southwest WI.

It would be easier if people lived within their means and didn't want to live a champagne lifestyle on a beer or water income. Amazing to me how many don't grasp don't spend more than you make.


52k here for a household would be poverty.

Here is our current median household income, so I guess that would qualify as middle class.

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Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: Middle Class [Re: 160user] #8266631
11/20/24 02:26 PM
11/20/24 02:26 PM
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Originally Posted by 160user
Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
You can make any number up



True. 97.65% of all figures are made up.

My point is who decides what is middle? Why does it start at 52? Why not 55 or even 60? 52 to 98.5 is a pretty big gap.

Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266738
11/20/24 05:14 PM
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52k would be real rough here too and I'm in the midwest

Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266865
11/20/24 07:35 PM
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My high schooler makes $16-hr at Kwik Trip part time....If that was full time that's $32k/yr, add a wife that's $64k/yr....I think pretty tough to make it on that for a young couple


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Re: Middle Class [Re: HobbieTrapper] #8266887
11/20/24 08:09 PM
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In the more populated coastal states, those income numbers would make you dirt poor. You couldn't pay for basic life expenses and rent a rundown apartment for that in many cities, even before tax.

Keith

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