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Re: Tariffs [Re: bowhunter27295] #8271986
11/26/24 05:19 PM
11/26/24 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
Originally Posted by jarentz
Let Canada,Mexico,and China stop the Illegals and fentanyl coming across the border.
And we won't need Tariff!!!!!!!!!!!

If not we all pay!


Eh, what?

I said if these countries don't stop illegals, and fentanyl from coming across our borders.
It will be their fault if Trump sets tariffs!
Maybe,just Maybe their government will do something about it.


jarentz
Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8271988
11/26/24 05:20 PM
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President Reagan's 1988 radio address on free trade, delivered soon after the U.S.-Canada Free Trade Agreement was signed, remains timely.

My fellow Americans:

This week, as we prepared for Thanksgiving, Canada held an important election, and I'm pleased to again send my congratulations to Prime Minister Mulroney. One of the important issues in the Canadian election was trade. And like our own citizens earlier this month, our neighbors have sent a strong message, rejecting protectionism and reaffirming that more trade, not less, is the wave of the future.

Here in America, as we reflect on the many things we have to be grateful for, we should take a moment to recognize that one of the key factors behind our nation's great prosperity is the open trade policy that allows the American people to freely exchange goods and services with free people around the world. The freedom to trade is not a new issue for America. In 1776 our Founding Fathers signed the Declaration of Independence, charging the British with a number of offenses, among them, and I quote, "cutting off our trade with all parts of the world," end quote.

And that same year, a Scottish economist named Adam Smith launched another revolution with a book entitled "The Wealth of Nations," which exposed for all time the folly of protectionism. Over the past 200 years, not only has the argument against tariffs and trade barriers won nearly universal agreement among economists but it has also proven itself in the real world, where we have seen free-trading nations prosper while protectionist countries fall behind.

America's most recent experiment with protectionism was a disaster for the working men and women of this country. When Congress passed the Smoot-Hawley tariff in 1930, we were told that it would protect America from foreign competition and save jobs in this country—the same line we hear today. The actual result was the Great Depression, the worst economic catastrophe in our history; one out of four Americans were thrown out of work. Two years later, when I cast my first ballot for President, I voted for Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who opposed protectionism and called for the repeal of that disastrous tariff.

Ever since that time, the American people have stayed true to our heritage by rejecting the siren song of protectionism. In recent years, the trade deficit led some misguided politicians to call for protectionism, warning that otherwise we would lose jobs. But they were wrong again. In fact, the United States not only didn't lose jobs, we created more jobs than all the countries of Western Europe, Canada, and Japan combined. The record is clear that when America's total trade has increased, American jobs have also increased. And when our total trade has declined, so have the number of jobs.

Part of the difficulty in accepting the good news about trade is in our words. We too often talk about trade while using the vocabulary of war. In war, for one side to win, the other must lose. But commerce is not warfare. Trade is an economic alliance that benefits both countries. There are no losers, only winners. And trade helps strengthen the free world.

Yet today protectionism is being used by some American politicians as a cheap form of nationalism, a fig leaf for those unwilling to maintain America's military strength and who lack the resolve to stand up to real enemies—countries that would use violence against us or our allies. Our peaceful trading partners are not our enemies; they are our allies. We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag. The expansion of the international economy is not a foreign invasion; it is an American triumph, one we worked hard to achieve, and something central to our vision of a peaceful and prosperous world of freedom.

After the Second World War, America led the way to dismantle trade barriers and create a world trading system that set the stage for decades of unparalleled economic growth. And in one week, when important multilateral trade talks are held in Montreal, we will be in the forefront of efforts to improve this system. We want to open more markets for our products, to see to it that all nations play by the rules, and to seek improvement in such areas as dispute resolution and agriculture. We also want to bring the benefits of free trade to new areas, including services, investment, and the protection of intellectual property. Our negotiators will be working hard for all of us.

Yes, back in 1776, our Founding Fathers believed that free trade was worth fighting for. And we can celebrate their victory because today trade is at the core of the alliance[s] that secure the peace and guarantee our freedom; it is the source of our prosperity and the path to an even brighter future for America."

King of the liberals!

Source:IPI

Until next week, thanks for listening, and God bless you.


Who is John Galt?
Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8271990
11/26/24 05:23 PM
11/26/24 05:23 PM
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Heard on FOX this afternoon that Mexico and Canada needed to secure their borders if they wanted to avoid the tariffs according to Trump. Within hours Trudeau said they would be willing to get together and work things out. Sounds like Mexico feels the same way. If true why couldn't Biden and Harris done something similar?


It's been months since I bought the book, "How To Scam People On Line". It still hasn't arrived yet.
Re: Tariffs [Re: Trapper7] #8272037
11/26/24 06:34 PM
11/26/24 06:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
Heard on FOX this afternoon that Mexico and Canada needed to secure their borders if they wanted to avoid the tariffs according to Trump. Within hours Trudeau said they would be willing to get together and work things out. Sounds like Mexico feels the same way. If true why couldn't Biden and Harris done something similar?


Biden and Harris are American Marxists and hate America is why, Biden is owned by the CCP!


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Re: Tariffs [Re: Dirt] #8272040
11/26/24 06:36 PM
11/26/24 06:36 PM
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President Reagan's 1988 radio address on free trade, delivered soon after the U.S.-Canada Free Trade Agreement was signed, remains timely.

My fellow Americans:

This week, as we prepared for Thanksgiving, Canada held an important election, and I'm pleased to again send my congratulations to Prime Minister Mulroney. One of the important issues in the Canadian election was trade. And like our own citizens earlier this month, our neighbors have sent a strong message, rejecting protectionism and reaffirming that more trade, not less, is the wave of the future.

Here in America, as we reflect on the many things we have to be grateful for, we should take a moment to recognize that one of the key factors behind our nation's great prosperity is the open trade policy that allows the American people to freely exchange goods and services with free people around the world. The freedom to trade is not a new issue for America. In 1776 our Founding Fathers signed the Declaration of Independence, charging the British with a number of offenses, among them, and I quote, "cutting off our trade with all parts of the world," end quote.

And that same year, a Scottish economist named Adam Smith launched another revolution with a book entitled "The Wealth of Nations," which exposed for all time the folly of protectionism. Over the past 200 years, not only has the argument against tariffs and trade barriers won nearly universal agreement among economists but it has also proven itself in the real world, where we have seen free-trading nations prosper while protectionist countries fall behind.

America's most recent experiment with protectionism was a disaster for the working men and women of this country. When Congress passed the Smoot-Hawley tariff in 1930, we were told that it would protect America from foreign competition and save jobs in this country—the same line we hear today. The actual result was the Great Depression, the worst economic catastrophe in our history; one out of four Americans were thrown out of work. Two years later, when I cast my first ballot for President, I voted for Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who opposed protectionism and called for the repeal of that disastrous tariff.

Ever since that time, the American people have stayed true to our heritage by rejecting the siren song of protectionism. In recent years, the trade deficit led some misguided politicians to call for protectionism, warning that otherwise we would lose jobs. But they were wrong again. In fact, the United States not only didn't lose jobs, we created more jobs than all the countries of Western Europe, Canada, and Japan combined. The record is clear that when America's total trade has increased, American jobs have also increased. And when our total trade has declined, so have the number of jobs.

Part of the difficulty in accepting the good news about trade is in our words. We too often talk about trade while using the vocabulary of war. In war, for one side to win, the other must lose. But commerce is not warfare. Trade is an economic alliance that benefits both countries. There are no losers, only winners. And trade helps strengthen the free world.

Yet today protectionism is being used by some American politicians as a cheap form of nationalism, a fig leaf for those unwilling to maintain America's military strength and who lack the resolve to stand up to real enemies—countries that would use violence against us or our allies. Our peaceful trading partners are not our enemies; they are our allies. We should beware of the demagogues who are ready to declare a trade war against our friends—weakening our economy, our national security, and the entire free world—all while cynically waving the American flag. The expansion of the international economy is not a foreign invasion; it is an American triumph, one we worked hard to achieve, and something central to our vision of a peaceful and prosperous world of freedom.

After the Second World War, America led the way to dismantle trade barriers and create a world trading system that set the stage for decades of unparalleled economic growth. And in one week, when important multilateral trade talks are held in Montreal, we will be in the forefront of efforts to improve this system. We want to open more markets for our products, to see to it that all nations play by the rules, and to seek improvement in such areas as dispute resolution and agriculture. We also want to bring the benefits of free trade to new areas, including services, investment, and the protection of intellectual property. Our negotiators will be working hard for all of us.

Yes, back in 1776, our Founding Fathers believed that free trade was worth fighting for. And we can celebrate their victory because today trade is at the core of the alliance[s] that secure the peace and guarantee our freedom; it is the source of our prosperity and the path to an even brighter future for America."

King of the liberals!

Source:IPI

Until next week, thanks for listening, and God bless you.


I guess Reagan was a RINO.....

Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8272064
11/26/24 06:50 PM
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Or maybe Canada and Mexico have underwent a transformation…..????


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Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8272077
11/26/24 07:08 PM
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Canada is not recognizable today,,,,,,compared to the 80’s

I’m surprised trump never mentioned the sorry state of our military in these demands


He must be saving that one for later

Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8272117
11/26/24 07:41 PM
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The Biden Administration in August raised tariffs on Canadian softwood lumber from around 8% up to 14.5%.

Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8272124
11/26/24 07:45 PM
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We will just take our buisness elsewhere.
China would love to buy our natural resources if you Americans dont want to.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8272133
11/26/24 07:50 PM
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Reagan didn't have to deal with China or open borders or half the politicians trying to sink the country.

Re: Tariffs [Re: Boco] #8272162
11/26/24 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
We will just take our buisness elsewhere.
China would love to buy our natural resources if you Americans dont want to.

Ok, go for it !!!


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Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8272163
11/26/24 08:20 PM
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Already have started.
Pipeline to the west coast-Asia Pacific trade.

Last edited by Boco; 11/26/24 08:21 PM.

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Re: Tariffs [Re: Boco] #8272171
11/26/24 08:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
Already have started.
Pipeline to the west coast-Asia Pacific trade.

That's fine, we will pump our own oil.
Soon that dirty sand oil won't be worth it, due to world wide price drops from increased US production.


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Re: Tariffs [Re: Boco] #8272182
11/26/24 08:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
We will just take our buisness elsewhere.
China would love to buy our natural resources if you Americans dont want to.



I believe the US accounts for about 80% of Ontario exports. China imports less than 2% !
Good luck turning that around in the next couple months !


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Re: Tariffs [Re: Rat Masterson] #8272186
11/26/24 08:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Reagan didn't have to deal with China or open borders or half the politicians trying to sink the country.

Um.........Reagan signed the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986, which granted amnesty to almost all of the illegals in the country at the time. Reagan apparently had no problem with open borders, since he granted amnesty to millions of folks who crossed our border illegally.

Last edited by loosegoose; 11/26/24 08:38 PM.
Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8272199
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I haven’t read all the post but Mexico and Canada have already bent the knee. It’s the art of the deal and nothing more. They know the weak are not in power


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Re: Tariffs [Re: AntiGov] #8272203
11/26/24 08:58 PM
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
We Need to stop the addiction Americans have for buying cheap chinky crap ..

Good luck. The population is brainwashed to be consumers. People are allergic to money. They give it away as soon as they get it.

Re: Tariffs [Re: Boco] #8272207
11/26/24 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Boco
We will just take our buisness elsewhere.
China would love to buy our natural resources if you Americans dont want to.

Hahahaaaaa we dont need your "Buisness" anyhow.Hahahaaaa


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Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8272249
11/26/24 09:35 PM
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The Biden administration welcomed and encouraged illegal entry in to the US and 10s of millions obliged, never been anything like it in the history of the US. Comparing it to Reagan"s era is well dumb.

Re: Tariffs [Re: beeman] #8272266
11/26/24 09:46 PM
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I call your tens of millions and raise you 10 million. The estimate is arround 12 to 13 million currently in the u.s Most were here prior to biden.

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