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Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Dirt] #8279721
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Originally Posted by Dirt
How do those tariffs affect the price of lumber in the u.s. ?


It didn't cause a big increase in lumber prices. I believe a lot of tariff cost is absorbed by the various handlers of the products before it reaches the consumer level. In the case of construction grade lumber, which is the bulk of what we buy from Canada, I have seen no abnormal increases other than those caused by Covid in the last eight years. And those insane Covid and post-Covid prices returned almost to pre-Covid prices relatively quickly on solid wood (2 X 4's, etc.). Sheet goods adjusted downward but remain high.

AK Timber Tramp, I don't doubt you but I do believe the red tape caused by tree-huggers is not a big factor, more like isolated incidents when the big picture is looked at. In my state of Pennsylvania the timber industry is the number one agricultural industry adding about 22 billion to the State's economy annually.

Vast tracks of hardwood forests have been managed and harvested for centuries and I've never heard of tree-huggers trying to stop any of it.

Maybe it's a west/northwest thing?

I did notice a shift in local lumber yards away from as much Canadian lumber and towards more American-produced lumber.

The US remains the # 1 producer of lumber in the world.


Eh...wot?

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Osky] #8279726
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Originally Posted by Osky
I’m not sure on that Boco. The tide did not turn in world war 2 until D day and D day would not have happened without everything America brought to the endeavor. Yes the Brits outlasted Germany in the skies over England for the win but crossing the channel was momentous.

A lot of countries including Canada paid a very big and brave price for those beachheads and the turning of the tide.

Osky

better learn history than because germany was already losing the war if you think the turning point was d-day russia was killng germans by thousands daily and was screaming for a western front as german had poured all its armies into russia to stop the russian red machine, italy was 2/3 conquered and africa was already in allied hands and before you can say thats because the americans it was actually the british that kicked them out even than thats debatable as rommel had left his army and was in germany while the british and americans laid waste to his army way to many good young men died in those 10 years of war(including the first war)for leaders that thought that their country was greater than other countries yes the usa is great but defintly not better than the rest how do you think the production power or morale of usa would of faired if it was being bombed 24/7 like in britian germany and russia

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: k9-hunter] #8279733
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Originally Posted by k9-hunter
Originally Posted by Osky
I’m not sure on that Boco. The tide did not turn in world war 2 until D day and D day would not have happened without everything America brought to the endeavor. Yes the Brits outlasted Germany in the skies over England for the win but crossing the channel was momentous.

A lot of countries including Canada paid a very big and brave price for those beachheads and the turning of the tide.

Osky

better learn history than because germany was already losing the war if you think the turning point was d-day russia was killng germans by thousands daily and was screaming for a western front as german had poured all its armies into russia to stop the russian red machine, italy was 2/3 conquered and africa was already in allied hands and before you can say thats because the americans it was actually the british that kicked them out even than thats debatable as rommel had left his army and was in germany while the british and americans laid waste to his army way to many good young men died in those 10 years of war(including the first war)for leaders that thought that their country was greater than other countries yes the usa is great but defintly not better than the rest how do you think the production power or morale of usa would of faired if it was being bombed 24/7 like in britian germany and russia


D Day was very important, not sure how to describe it as far as one word but if it hadn't happened, Russia might control all of Europe. Stalin Is noted as wanting to keep going past Berlin even with the Allies there, only to decide against it when we set the Atomic bomb off.

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8279764
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Trump had to put tarrifs on stuff coming from everywhere cause Americans cant compete with anyoreToo busy hanging out in walmart with your butcracks hanging out to dry lol.

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Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Lugnut] #8279767
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Originally Posted by Lugnut
Originally Posted by Dirt
How do those tariffs affect the price of lumber in the u.s. ?


It didn't cause a big increase in lumber prices. I believe a lot of tariff cost is absorbed by the various handlers of the products before it reaches the consumer level. In the case of construction grade lumber, which is the bulk of what we buy from Canada, I have seen no abnormal increases other than those caused by Covid in the last eight years. And those insane Covid and post-Covid prices returned almost to pre-Covid prices relatively quickly on solid wood (2 X 4's, etc.). Sheet goods adjusted downward but remain high.

AK Timber Tramp, I don't doubt you but I do believe the red tape caused by tree-huggers is not a big factor, more like isolated incidents when the big picture is looked at. In my state of Pennsylvania the timber industry is the number one agricultural industry adding about 22 billion to the State's economy annually.

Vast tracks of hardwood forests have been managed and harvested for centuries and I've never heard of tree-huggers trying to stop any of it.

Maybe it's a west/northwest thing?

I did notice a shift in local lumber yards away from as much Canadian lumber and towards more American-produced lumber.

The US remains the # 1 producer of lumber in the world.

Lugnut, that's because your old growth and even second growth stands have long since been wiped out, there's no reason to fight logging on the East Coast, your loggers are glorified farmers, they just harvest on a 30 year rotation. We have Sitka Spruce that were standing when Christ was on the cross, and those old monsters is what gets the enviros fired up. Even though if it doesn't get logged it'll topple sooner or later, everything has a lifespan, even if it's longer than our own. So where you are and where I am have an entirely different timber industry. Our junk wood is stud grade lumber, our high dollar timber is coffin wood and music wood. I have a friend that logs in PA, he said it's mostly pallet wood and pulp (which wouldn't even be considered decent firewood around here)

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8279773
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On December 11, 1941 Hitler declares war on the U.S.


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Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Dirt] #8279796
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Originally Posted by Dirt
On December 11, 1941 Hitler declares war on the U.S.

On my birthday, awesome. I mean, 50 years prior to my birthday, but still

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8279802
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Happy early B Day ATT


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Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Boco] #8279805
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Happy early B Day ATT

Much appreciated, thank you

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: k9-hunter] #8279830
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Originally Posted by k9-hunter
Originally Posted by Osky
I’m not sure on that Boco. The tide did not turn in world war 2 until D day and D day would not have happened without everything America brought to the endeavor. Yes the Brits outlasted Germany in the skies over England for the win but crossing the channel was momentous.

A lot of countries including Canada paid a very big and brave price for those beachheads and the turning of the tide.

Osky

better learn history than because germany was already losing the war if you think the turning point was d-day russia was killng germans by thousands daily and was screaming for a western front as german had poured all its armies into russia to stop the russian red machine, italy was 2/3 conquered and africa was already in allied hands and before you can say thats because the americans it was actually the british that kicked them out even than thats debatable as rommel had left his army and was in germany while the british and americans laid waste to his army way to many good young men died in those 10 years of war(including the first war)for leaders that thought that their country was greater than other countries yes the usa is great but defintly not better than the rest how do you think the production power or morale of usa would of faired if it was being bombed 24/7 like in britian germany and russia



I know a bit of history. I think you’re missing my point.
I was replying to Boco who said the war turned when Britain won its airspace. I don’t believe that to be totally true. You’re right K… the Brit’s and the US put the hammer down in Africa then up thru southern Italy, Patton and the mechanized were the American thrust there. The Russians with incredible numbers were turning the eastern front. The final hammer was D day as far as the allies sans Russia turning the tide.
The air superiority over Europe was also a big deal but a lot of that heavy aircraft and those air crews were American as well. Were there any Canadians overhead? There sure could have been as in world war1 but I am not up on that.

Osky.



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Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: AK Timber Tramp] #8279843
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Originally Posted by AK Timber Tramp
Lugnut, that's because your old growth and even second growth stands have long since been wiped out, there's no reason to fight logging on the East Coast, your loggers are glorified farmers, they just harvest on a 30 year rotation. We have Sitka Spruce that were standing when Christ was on the cross, and those old monsters is what gets the enviros fired up. Even though if it doesn't get logged it'll topple sooner or later, everything has a lifespan, even if it's longer than our own. So where you are and where I am have an entirely different timber industry. Our junk wood is stud grade lumber, our high dollar timber is coffin wood and music wood. I have a friend that logs in PA, he said it's mostly pallet wood and pulp (which wouldn't even be considered decent firewood around here)


It's true we do not have old growth trees.

The thirty-year rotation might be a softwood thing but quality hardwood stands are usually cut on a 75-125 year rotation. Your friend's experience is either solely with softwood or junk harvests or he's simply full of crap because Pennsylvania is known worldwide for producing some of the finest hardwoods available; red and white oak, hard and soft maple, black walnut, black cherry, hickory, etc.


Eh...wot?

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Lugnut] #8279852
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He said it's a lot of poplar and whatever kind of pine you guys have down there. So yeah, junk. Our second growth patches are just starting to come up on harvest rotations in a few places, they're 80 years I think, but that's a different market. That'll all be domestic wood, used for construction and occasionally some crappy guitars, but it doesn't have the grain structure of old growth, so it can't make fancy pianos or nice guitars and violins.

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Originally Posted by AK Timber Tramp
He said it's a lot of poplar and whatever kind of pine you guys have down there. So yeah, junk. Our second growth patches are just starting to come up on harvest rotations in a few places, they're 80 years I think, but that's a different market. That'll all be domestic wood, used for construction and occasionally some crappy guitars, but it doesn't have the grain structure of old growth, so it can't make fancy pianos or nice guitars and violins.



What species?


Eh...wot?

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Lugnut] #8279878
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Sitka Spruce primarily. Also yellow cedar, red cedar, western hemlock, and on occasion shore pine (black pine I think is the proper name) some alder along creeks or old road/trail beds

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8280044
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its been well documented that the Germans feared the Canadians the most because they wouldn't quit. Americans had the numbers we had the heart. i know its friendly banter but lets respect those that sacrificed on both sides and not argue who was better. I hope when push comes to shove we will always have each others backs. I love canada but hate our leader....with a passion.

Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Providence Farm] #8280079
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Just saw on TV that Canada had outlawed some more weapons and that they were seizing them and the would all be shipped to the county fighting Russia.
They said they had already seized 2500 and would be getting more to ship soon.

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Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: kingrat] #8280153
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its been well documented that the Germans feared the Canadians the most

That has to be one of the funniest things I have read in here.Post some of this documentation so we can all see.


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Re: Boco have you been seeing it [Re: Grandpa Trapper] #8280158
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Well the way this thread is going I think Boco and Walleyed are going to have to have a duel with percussion pistols to settle this.

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It will be your loss not ours.
Plenty of customers out there for our riches to replace your failing state.

LOL: from the man of a failing country


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