Or try to!

This is taken from the Executive Order of January 20. Many people conveniently ignore the words "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof". That verbiage is subject to interpretation but there is a reason it was put there. :


[ The Fourteenth Amendment states: “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.”
Among the categories of individuals born in the United States and not subject to the jurisdiction thereof, the privilege of United States citizenship does not automatically extend to persons born in the United States: (1) when that person’s mother was unlawfully present in the United States and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth, or (2) when that person’s mother’s presence in the United States at the time of said person’s birth was lawful but temporary (such as, but not limited to, visiting the United States under the auspices of the Visa Waiver Program or visiting on a student, work, or tourist visa) and the father was not a United States citizen or lawful permanent resident at the time of said person’s birth.]

Many of the gun laws are passed through Congress. Not by EO.

So let the kid stay here if mom and dad wont take it with them. Siblings, in laws whatever mom and dad want to do. They might choose child protective service but I bet most will not. Lets leave the constitution alone. Trump is well aware he has no authority over it. Just hot air to stir up the faithful.

okay...the minute the child/children reach 18 years of age, the parents get the old "heave, ho"...kid(s) can stay if they choose.

simple, really.

So instead off becoming a citizen legaly just sneak across the border and have the child so it becomes a citizen.Does not sound right to me.

I HAVE

I Assume you are referring to Executive Order 14159 of January 20, 2025. Maybe I missed it, and if so, please explain where an EO was signed that repeals the 14th Amendment and denies naturalization citizenship to anyone born in this country. Trump's EO clearly says all aliens, illegal...AND it repeals all the EO's in 2021 that addressed Civil Immigration Enforcement Policies,.but I failed to read anything that abolishishes the 14th Amendment for naturalization.

It does not say any child born here.

You are leaving out an important sentence. As in, "subject to the jurisdiction there of"

"Subject to the Jurisdiction Thereof" Excludes Non-Citizens
Critics argue that the original intent of the 14th Amendment was to grant citizenship to formerly enslaved individuals, not to confer automatic citizenship to children of foreign nationals. They contend that the phrase "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" does not simply mean being physically present in the U.S. but instead requires full legal allegiance to the United States. Since foreign nationals and unauthorized immigrants owe allegiance to another country, their children should not automatically qualify for U.S. citizenship."

"Supporters of restricting birthright citizenship claim that United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898), the landmark case that upheld birthright citizenship, was decided in the context of legal immigrants and did not directly address the question of children born to undocumented immigrants. Therefore, they argue that the Supreme Court has never definitively ruled on whether the 14th Amendment applies to children of illegal immigrants."

ol' dad

Bingo

"In short the phrase “and subject to the jurisdiction thereof” excludes three and only three groups of people:

Children born to foreign diplomats here on diplomatic business, who have diplomatic immunity to US Law;

Children of members of an invading army that has occupied and controlled some part of US territory, born on that occupied area, who are obviously not subject to US Law (which has rarely happened in the US, although Guam was occupied during WWII, and parts of Alaska, and small parts of Maine during the War of 1812); and

Members of Native American tribes, subject to the jurisdiction of their tribal governments, who do not pay US taxes. (This was true when the 14th amendment was passed, but it no longer is. See section below on the act that changed it in 1924.)

Any other person born in the proper US or in incorporated US territory is a citizen, no matter who his or her parents are or were. (The case is less clear for unincorporated US territory.)"

I believe this is the current interpretation?

Randy, his EO is about children born from February this year going forward
Maybe you missed that

THAT is the problem. The parents are illegals and can/would/should be deported. However, the child is upon documented birth a US citizen per the 14th Amendment. So, the parents are not entitled to care, or any benefits of the United States (or any benifits at State level) but the child is. That is why healthcare at the State level suffers. Here in WI the parents get no benefits, but the child is enrolled in Badgercare - and we pay. Too dam many politicians are scared to challenge the change to the Amendment. You deport the parents the child (child = legal US Citizen) and you imediately have a media blitz castrating you for abusing his/her rights.

Fix the loophole We have an aged Amendment that serves both what it was intended to do and a gray area that leaves too much interpretation- A child born to a documented legal US Citizen is automatically given birthright naturalization. 2 illegals = child is a citizen of the parents' origin country. Most countries across Europe follow that and it works.

I posted on it in the past and a couple times last year.






Keith

OR they get the heave ho when caught and can take JR with them or leave JR here. Parents choice. Either way parents get the boot. No more anchor babies and no more incentive to swim the river when labor pains hit. And no fooling with the constitution.

Sounds good to me

Fixing the loophole is the plan Randy.

Courts are where it'll get fixed and where this is heading. First, a president needed to challenge it and we now have one.

Then Bruce if you feel a need to amend the constitution Start by getting Maine onboard.

I dont know how most european countries do it Randy Wieland, but a kid born to american military parents in germany, even on a u.s. military base are germans till parents file naturalization paperwork to make them american. its not automatic.

https://jonathanturley.org/2018/11/...oluted-record-on-birthright-citizenship/

Turley is usually pretty good...I hope he's wrong on this, but...I guess we'll find out.

"Every Country with Unrestricted Birthright Citizenship (jus soli):
The following countries have unrestricted birthright citizenship: Antigua and Barbuda, Argentina, Barbados, Belize, Bolivia, Brazil, Canada, Chad, Child, Costa Rica, Cuba, Dominica, Ecuador, El Salvador, Fiji, Grenada, Guatemala, Guyana, Honduras, Jamaica, Lesotho, Mexico, Nicaragua, Panama, Paraguay, Peru, Saint Kitts and Nevis, Saint Lucia, Saint Vincent and the Grenadines, Tanzania, Trinidad and Tobago, Tuvalu, the United States, Uruguay, and Venezuela."

Source: World Population Review.