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p tariffs #8362856
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Will this help FHA?

Can US buyers compete?

Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8362876
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Does Canada have a tariff on us exporting fur to FHA yet? Might sell local?


Who is John Galt?
Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8362877
03/12/25 12:23 PM
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The list of tariffs Canada had on us before this all started seems unfair if that list was accurate. I’m trying to locate the list I’d seen in the past.


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The last little bubble in fur prices we had 2010-2012 ish was a result of the fur industry evading tariffs in china, correct? And when they got caught they released everything all at once and destroyed the market if I got this right?


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Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8362927
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Striperfred I think your correct they got nailed for trying to avoid tariffs and things went south. The way it is going now is furs going into Canada I guess could be subject to a tariff any thing could happen. I remember one year flying out of Mexico we had to pay a duty or tax to leave! I guess Mexico or Canada or any other country can do what they seems if fair to protect them.

Re: p tariffs [Re: Striperfred] #8362945
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Originally Posted by Striperfred
The last little bubble in fur prices we had 2010-2012 ish was a result of the fur industry evading tariffs in china, correct? And when they got caught they released everything all at once and destroyed the market if I got this right?


Somewhat. The tariff avoiders went to jail I believe, which disrupted the market. The tariff was in the neighborhood of 25%, I believe. So did price drop 25 % ? A bit more, due to other things like changes in dollar value and Russian sanctions and collapse in ranch mink prices. BTW the tariff on ranch mink was I believe only about 10 Percent. China does not have free trade agreement with the U.S. They were and are I believe currently MFN status.


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Re: p tariffs [Re: Dirt] #8362949
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by Striperfred
The last little bubble in fur prices we had 2010-2012 ish was a result of the fur industry evading tariffs in china, correct? And when they got caught they released everything all at once and destroyed the market if I got this right?


Somewhat. The tariff avoiders went to jail I believe, which disrupted the market. The tariff was in the neighborhood of 25%, I believe. So did price drop 25 % ? A bit more, due to other things like changes in dollar value and Russian sanctions and collapse in ranch mink prices. BTW the tariff on ranch mink was I believe only about 10 Percent. China does not have free trade agreement with the U.S. They were and are I believe currently MFN status.


So Trump is right in trying to get the tariffs lowered or eliminated?


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8362964
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You know we had tariffs on Chinese fur garments at the time. Is that what Trump is doing?


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Re: p tariffs [Re: Law Dog] #8362976
03/12/25 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
The list of tariffs Canada had on us before this all started seems unfair if that list was accurate. I’m trying to locate the list I’d seen in the past.

Shouldn't have to look hard to see all the zeros. Just look on your governments website, or ours...
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2025/menu-eng.html

American buyers can find a way around any tariffs if there are any. I'm sure they know that.


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Re: p tariffs [Re: Dirt] #8362985
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Originally Posted by Dirt
You know we had tariffs on Chinese fur garments at the time. Is that what Trump is doing?


Not the question, but no I didn't know that.

Wouldn't his stance about eliminating tariffs all together be a good yhing, both ways?


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8362995
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He has a stance about eliminating all tariffs?


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Re: p tariffs [Re: Dirt] #8363005
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He want's fair trade. We tariff you what you tariff us. So yes I think the goal is everyone trading with us with no tariffs either way.


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Re: p tariffs [Re: Dirt] #8363466
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Does Canada have a tariff on us exporting fur to FHA yet? Might sell local?


No we do not, all raw fur being shipped into Canada is Tariff free, so far. Chart is below and the USA country code is UST.

Some on tanned garments and the highest is 15% on fake/artificial fur.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2025/html/00/ch43-eng.html#wb-auto-4

The other thing to remember about tariffs is they are charged to the buyer not the seller, so if you shipped something to Canada with a 15% tariff, the buyer pays it not you, the seller.

For example 25% tariff was just put on steel and aluminum coming into the states from Canada. The Canadian company sells it for $100, the American company pays $125, with $25 going to the Untied States Federal Government, its just another tax.

No idea how this would work in a fur auction house industry, the auction house has not purchased your furs but are selling it. Do the furs become Canadian when they are sold at a Canadian auction or does the origin remain American because they are just a middle man?

Re: p tariffs [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8363486
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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
He want's fair trade. We tariff you what you tariff us. So yes I think the goal is everyone trading with us with no tariffs either way.


Such a simple concept to get countries to lower their tariffs, yet so difficult for people to understand.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: p tariffs [Re: Law Dog] #8363493
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
The list of tariffs Canada had on us before this all started seems unfair if that list was accurate. I’m trying to locate the list I’d seen in the past.

If You find the list ...Pm it to me...Thx


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Re: p tariffs [Re: Saskfly] #8363556
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Originally Posted by Saskfly
Originally Posted by Dirt
Does Canada have a tariff on us exporting fur to FHA yet? Might sell local?


No we do not, all raw fur being shipped into Canada is Tariff free, so far. Chart is below and the USA country code is UST.

Some on tanned garments and the highest is 15% on fake/artificial fur.

https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/trade-commerce/tariff-tarif/2025/html/00/ch43-eng.html#wb-auto-4

The other thing to remember about tariffs is they are charged to the buyer not the seller, so if you shipped something to Canada with a 15% tariff, the buyer pays it not you, the seller.

For example 25% tariff was just put on steel and aluminum coming into the states from Canada. The Canadian company sells it for $100, the American company pays $125, with $25 going to the Untied States Federal Government, its just another tax.

No idea how this would work in a fur auction house industry, the auction house has not purchased your furs but are selling it. Do the furs become Canadian when they are sold at a Canadian auction or does the origin remain American because they are just a middle man?


I thought the importer ( which would be FHA out of WI ) had to pay the tax. I would assume that fee would be added to the deal like Cites. Since it is tax on value, how would they determine value before sold? This crap is starting to remind me of the dumb stuff done during covid. It never ends.


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Re: p tariffs [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8363561
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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
He want's fair trade. We tariff you what you tariff us. So yes I think the goal is everyone trading with us with no tariffs either way.



Worth repeating


TILL THAT DAY.....
Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8363566
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"Former President Donald Trump stood by his idea to end income taxes and substitute them with tariffs in a Friday interview with Joe Rogan, the host of one of the most widely listened to podcasts in the world.

“Did you just float out the idea of getting rid of income taxes and replacing it with tariffs?” Rogan asked the Republican presidential nominee during their three-hour interview. “We’re serious about that?”

“Yeah, sure, but why not?” Trump responded.

“We will not allow the enemy to come in and take our jobs and take our factories and take our workers and take our families, unless they pay a big price. And the big price is tariffs,” the former president added."

I thought we were going to replace income taxes with tariffs. That would not work if the goal is zero tariffs?

The stories change too much.


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Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8363582
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Won't have to import it once the companies come back. wink

I personally wouldn't threaten tariffs if x country doesn't lower theirs, I'd put them on and say....if ya want them gone, yours go too.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Doug Ford just came out of a meeting with Langston or whatever his name is in Washington. Trump says one thing, his people say another. Dougie said it was a very positive meeting. Weird thing is that a premier is there instead of a federal representative……that’s the state of our liberal government.

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