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Re: p tariffs [Re: Northof50] #8366307
03/16/25 11:06 PM
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Originally Posted by Northof50
10% comes across from WhiteDog generator in NW Ontario going into those lines crossing the Se corner of Manitoba

No Ontario transmission crossing in SE Mb. We even feed North West Angle with our own distribution. Kenora gets their juice from 7 Sisters after feeding a couple taps for Brerton Lake & Star Lake stations. That station you’re talking about must feed from the east side of LOTW?


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Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8366336
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I wonder if this will happen. Both sides wether you believe it or not need each other. If you think prices will go down because of all the tariffs you are sadly mistaken!

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Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8366364
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There may be a few diehard Trumpers that think prices will go down soon, but most of us know that's not true.

The question I have is, will it be worth it in the long run?

At this point I dunno, seems rather unlikely, but I can't say for sure.....

Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8366388
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Tariffs worked in the past for funding .gov, income tax not needed. Why will they not work today? Is it because the U.S. dollar is now the gold standard or is because .gov has become to big and Americans are unwilling to endure the challenges of downsizing .gov?

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Originally Posted by J Staton
Tariffs worked in the past for funding .gov, income tax not needed. Why will they not work today? Is it because the U.S. dollar is now the gold standard or is because .gov has become to big and Americans are unwilling to endure the challenges of downsizing .gov?


In my opinion tariffs replacing income taxes to fund government is a lot of hyperbole. Remember the promise that on day one we'd pay no more tax on tips and overtime ... hasn't happened yet.

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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
Originally Posted by J Staton
Tariffs worked in the past for funding .gov, income tax not needed. Why will they not work today? Is it because the U.S. dollar is now the gold standard or is because .gov has become to big and Americans are unwilling to endure the challenges of downsizing .gov?


In my opinion tariffs replacing income taxes to fund government is a lot of hyperbole. Remember the promise that on day one we'd pay no more tax on tips and overtime ... hasn't happened yet.

Hyperbole or not, before the progressive President Wilson, income taxes were not a thing. If it worked before why want it work now?

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It could work. But I'm guessing it wouldn't because the government of today is a much different animal then the government back then.

Re: p tariffs [Re: Pafoxman] #8366402
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
Originally Posted by J Staton
Tariffs worked in the past for funding .gov, income tax not needed. Why will they not work today? Is it because the U.S. dollar is now the gold standard or is because .gov has become to big and Americans are unwilling to endure the challenges of downsizing .gov?


In my opinion tariffs replacing income taxes to fund government is a lot of hyperbole. Remember the promise that on day one we'd pay no more tax on tips and overtime ... hasn't happened yet.


Yes it may not happen at all but did you honestly believe I would before the first year or two? First tax code are mad the year before for the following year .and 2nd government is slow.

Just going by your post it seem like you expect it to be instant and done in the first 3 months in office or it's some kind of got ya. If so get real.

Edit. Personally I would love to see no property tax and no taxes on social security or military pay and tips before no taxes on overtime and that should say something considering I have never been in the military, am not on social security, and don't work for tips.and have always worked a lot of overtime. Only one of those I would benefit from immediately would be no property taxes.

But my preference are not because they would directly benefit me but they are ridiculous taxes and would benefit those individuals greatly.

And in order to pay for the government with tarrifs #1 the government would have to shrink greatly and actually pass and run on a budget. Not likely to happen enough for that to many love their pork and will fight it all the way. But I can only hope.


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Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8366442
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Tariff is just another word for tax. So any steel buyers in the US that are bringing in steel from Canada are paying Uncle Sam 25% or whatever it is. Just source your goods from within and it’ll be all good!


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Re: p tariffs [Re: Dan Barnhurst] #8366551
03/17/25 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Dan Barnhurst
He want's fair trade. We tariff you what you tariff us. So yes I think the goal is everyone trading with us with no tariffs either way.

That's what I heard too. Seems fair to me.


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Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8366566
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
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[quote=Dan Barnhurst]

Such a simple concept to get countries to lower their tariffs, yet so difficult for people to understand.


How's that working out so far......???


So far. You mean in the past 2 months? Everybody wants instant gratification these days.

Re: p tariffs [Re: J Staton] #8366587
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Originally Posted by J Staton
Tariffs worked in the past for funding .gov, income tax not needed. Why will they not work today? Is it because the U.S. dollar is now the gold standard or is because .gov has become to big and Americans are unwilling to endure the challenges of downsizing .gov?


How high would they have to be? This is not a sales tax. It is a tax on only imported stuff. 24 percent of U.S. GDP is Federal spending. Before income taxes ( income tax and payroll taxes) it was like 3 percent of GDP. 70 percent of Federal spending is wealth transfer ( Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid ) Before income taxes that would have been around 0 percent of Federal Spending. Current income taxes don't even cover all the spending. Seriously downsizing spending would mean the people ( mostly old people ) who benefit from
the above three programs would have to accept a cut to these benefits. Good Luck!


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Re: p tariffs [Re: Pafoxman] #8366592
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
Originally Posted by hippie


Such a simple concept to get countries to lower their tariffs, yet so difficult for people to understand.


How's that working out so far......???


Pull your big boy pants (or skirt) on, time to MAGA and be done with the liberal lunacy.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: p tariffs [Re: Pafoxman] #8366596
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Originally Posted by Pafoxman
Originally Posted by J Staton
Tariffs worked in the past for funding .gov, income tax not needed. Why will they not work today? Is it because the U.S. dollar is now the gold standard or is because .gov has become to big and Americans are unwilling to endure the challenges of downsizing .gov?


In my opinion tariffs replacing income taxes to fund government is a lot of hyperbole. Remember the promise that on day one we'd pay no more tax on tips and overtime ... hasn't happened yet.

90 days, what have you accomplished in the last 90 days? I thought so.

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If anyone is against a smaller Fed Govt and lower taxes after seeing the waste and bald faced fraud, first hand, your a communist, plain and simple.

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Re: p tariffs [Re: Dirt] #8366612
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by J Staton
Tariffs worked in the past for funding .gov, income tax not needed. Why will they not work today? Is it because the U.S. dollar is now the gold standard or is because .gov has become to big and Americans are unwilling to endure the challenges of downsizing .gov?


How high would they have to be? This is not a sales tax. It is a tax on only imported stuff. 24 percent of U.S. GDP is Federal spending. Before income taxes ( income tax and payroll taxes) it was like 3 percent of GDP. 70 percent of Federal spending is wealth transfer ( Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid ) Before income taxes that would have been around 0 percent of Federal Spending. Current income taxes don't even cover all the spending. Seriously downsizing spending would mean the people ( mostly old people ) who benefit from
the above three programs would have to accept a cut to these benefits. Good Luck!


Yea I could see that would be a problem.

Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8366629
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In 2022 7% of people over 65 were on Medicaid, and for now SS is still positive cash flow. Just because the Feds count SS as income tax in the books doesn't make it so. They are going to have to raise the contribution of SS and Medicare to keep it going. Medicaid is just Obama care on steroids, as a side note , around 40% of all births in the US are paid for by Medicaid.

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Originally Posted by Diggerman
If anyone is against a smaller Fed Govt and lower taxes after seeing the waste and bald faced fraud, first hand, your a communist, plain and simple.


X2

Just the waste and fraud already exposed is enough to make a person sick, let alone what we'll never find out about. This was long overdue and there's no plausible reason for someone to NOT want it exposed!


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Re: p tariffs [Re: nimzy] #8366642
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As a side note over half of Medicaid spending. The amount spent in dollars goes to seniors. Mostly funding nursing homes.

P.S. I believe the payroll tax is based on earned income. ie an income tax?


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