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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Diggerman] #8394930
04/29/25 11:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
But still Trumps fault, yes?


Nope. It was just a suggestion.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Diggerman] #8394932
04/29/25 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
But still Trumps fault, yes?

As you said, if he did open trapping, it wouldn't have been soon enough. More important than closing the borders, deporting illegal immigrant criminals, stopping fentanyl deaths, etc.


More and more when I go anywhere I find myself keeping track of where the nearest rest room is.
Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8394935
04/29/25 11:08 AM
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Migratory birds fall under federal framework due to migratory crossing of state and international borders. Even then the feds give the states the leeway to set the times and limits within a delineated framework. As for federal lands, the feds can open or close their lands to hunting or trapping as the property "owner" but they don't set the seasons for the state wildlife on that property outside of an agreement with the state as in some WMAs on federal lands.

To say that by stroke of a pen, or autopen in former times, a President can declare trapping allowed on federal lands would be the same as a president unilaterally removing speed limits on interstate highways or more to the point saying season and bag limits do not apply or worse yet outlawed in states where legal.

We don't have a perfect system, be careful what you wish for.

But I'm beginning to suspect a hidden motive in the question.

Asinine he may be but our resident portajohn attorney is smarter than he puts on.


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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8394989
04/29/25 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Except on this acreage...its true...
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Possibly in the states like New Mexico, where they banned footholds only on public land, he could reverse it. (Still questionable whether this would be a good idea, because it would set a precedent that the next anti-trapping President could use to ban trapping on Federal ground in all states). But states control wildlife management except in the cases of Federally controlled species like migratory birds and animals on the ESA. So if they make regulations that pertain to all lands, not just
Federal lands, like New Jersey, Washington, Colorado, etc. that banned footholds throughout the state, the Federal government does not have the authority to overrule them just on Federal ground. Just like you, as a private landowner don't have the authority to overrule them and allow them on your ground. I suspect in New Mexico's case, their law would hold up because it applies to ALL public ground, including that owned by the state or other entities, not just to USFS and BLM ground.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8395001
04/29/25 01:54 PM
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Good post, Gerald. As usual.

Another example of that is about any city around the metro here has a total trapping bans in place. No exceptions for even an underwater colony trap in waters that are infested with rats. It's all bad in their (Democrat alliance run) minds.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Blaine County] #8395022
04/29/25 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
It is similar, I imagine, to the states administering the Clean Water Act for the Feds.

The Feds can however step in at any point and change the rules.

As far as trapping is concerned, I have zero doubt that if the current federal government wanted to reopen trapping on federal land in New Mexico, for example, it would try it.


It is open to trapping as far as the feds are concerned, its the state that made it illegal same as they can close/regulate hunting and trapping on private property.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: beaverpeeler] #8395073
04/29/25 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me.

Are your issues that you vote for best for you, or best for America?

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: beaverpeeler] #8395165
04/29/25 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me.

There are Republican policies that irritate me too, but they generally don't support anti gun and anti trapping nonsense like you are facing. Therefore, I haven't voted for a Democrat in 40 years. How anyone that considers themselves a trapper or gun owner can vote for them is simply baffling.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Blaine County] #8395184
04/29/25 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
I was thinking more about this issue. I may be missing something but....

There is a President in office that really likes using executive orders. There are states (like New Mexico) where the state government has banned trapping--including on federal land. That same President has both houses of Congress.

Why no executive order or federal law reopening trapping on federal lands in states where it has been banned? Why no federal law restoring and protecting trapping?


you answered your own question earlier...pretty far down on the list of real concerns for a President.

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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8395237
04/29/25 08:41 PM
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Interested in reading more about this bill and how it restricts trapping. Anyone got a link with more info? Not finding much when I'm looking it up. Just curious

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8395440
04/30/25 08:53 AM
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"Possibly in the states like New Mexico, where they banned footholds only on public land, he could reverse it. (Still questionable whether this would be a good idea, because it would set a precedent that the next anti-trapping President could use to ban trapping on Federal ground in all states). "

This will apply to all the EO nonsense that is going on now. You get instant gratification, but it will be instantly reversed by the next guy and he will get to instantly do all the things you don't like. Enjoy the short term victories. Prepare for the reversals.


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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: trapdog1] #8395454
04/30/25 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me.

There are Republican policies that irritate me too, but they generally don't support anti gun and anti trapping nonsense like you are facing. Therefore, I haven't voted for a Democrat in 40 years. How anyone that considers themselves a trapper or gun owner can vote for them is simply baffling.

There are lots and lots of democrat gun owners and trappers. For some, there are more important things to them, that govern how they vote. They'd rather vote for someone they agree with 95% and fight for the last 5%, than vote for someone they agree with 5% and fight for the last 95%.

Democrats/liberals/leftists are the fastest growing group of gun owners right now, and they really want to see the democrat party drop the gun control BS. Democrat politicians are addicted to the money from Bloomberg and friends though, who of course love gun control.

I don't know how many democrats/liberals/leftists trap. But then again, the percent of republicans/conservatives that trap isn't very high either.

In my own state, in the 2018-19 season, there were 7692 fur harvest permits sold, and our state has a population of 2.005 million. So that means that, regardless of political afiliation, 0.4% of nebraskans are trappers.

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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8395458
04/30/25 09:59 AM
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Sitting on the fence sure as heck don't help.

Pick a side or hush!


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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8395466
04/30/25 10:19 AM
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Sitting on the fence sure as heck don't help.

Pick a side or hush!



I have picked a side. There's more than 2. But you know this already.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: loosegoose] #8395478
04/30/25 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Sitting on the fence sure as heck don't help.

Pick a side or hush!



I have picked a side. There's more than 2. But you know this already.

Yeah....I do...but those other "sides" are as useless as teats on a boar hog...and you know it.

They are just used as an excuse.


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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8395481
04/30/25 10:56 AM
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Sure. Ok.

Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8395482
04/30/25 10:59 AM
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Attacking each other is about as useful as teats on a boar as well. The best results are when we all work together for our common interests and maybe pay a little less attention to those things that divide us.


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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: beaverpeeler] #8395485
04/30/25 11:08 AM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Attacking each other is about as useful as teats on a boar as well. The best results are when we all work together for our common interests and maybe pay a little less attention to those things that divide us.

Im not attacking anyone by just pointing out the facts. If the facts sting...get away from that wasp nest.


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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: Gerald Schmitt] #8395487
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What was it Ronald Reagan used to say? "There you go again". laugh


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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills [Re: beaverpeeler] #8395488
04/30/25 11:34 AM
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
What was it Ronald Reagan used to say? "There you go again". laugh


Im not the one yall need to be concerned about.


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