Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Diggerman]
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04/29/25 11:03 AM
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But still Trumps fault, yes? As you said, if he did open trapping, it wouldn't have been soon enough. More important than closing the borders, deporting illegal immigrant criminals, stopping fentanyl deaths, etc.
More and more when I go anywhere I find myself keeping track of where the nearest rest room is.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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04/29/25 01:10 PM
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Except on this acreage...its true... Possibly in the states like New Mexico, where they banned footholds only on public land, he could reverse it. (Still questionable whether this would be a good idea, because it would set a precedent that the next anti-trapping President could use to ban trapping on Federal ground in all states). But states control wildlife management except in the cases of Federally controlled species like migratory birds and animals on the ESA. So if they make regulations that pertain to all lands, not just Federal lands, like New Jersey, Washington, Colorado, etc. that banned footholds throughout the state, the Federal government does not have the authority to overrule them just on Federal ground. Just like you, as a private landowner don't have the authority to overrule them and allow them on your ground. I suspect in New Mexico's case, their law would hold up because it applies to ALL public ground, including that owned by the state or other entities, not just to USFS and BLM ground.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Blaine County]
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04/29/25 02:39 PM
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It is similar, I imagine, to the states administering the Clean Water Act for the Feds.
The Feds can however step in at any point and change the rules.
As far as trapping is concerned, I have zero doubt that if the current federal government wanted to reopen trapping on federal land in New Mexico, for example, it would try it. It is open to trapping as far as the feds are concerned, its the state that made it illegal same as they can close/regulate hunting and trapping on private property.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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04/29/25 04:15 PM
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It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me. Are your issues that you vote for best for you, or best for America?
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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04/29/25 07:13 PM
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It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me. There are Republican policies that irritate me too, but they generally don't support anti gun and anti trapping nonsense like you are facing. Therefore, I haven't voted for a Democrat in 40 years. How anyone that considers themselves a trapper or gun owner can vote for them is simply baffling.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Blaine County]
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04/29/25 07:49 PM
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I was thinking more about this issue. I may be missing something but....
There is a President in office that really likes using executive orders. There are states (like New Mexico) where the state government has banned trapping--including on federal land. That same President has both houses of Congress.
Why no executive order or federal law reopening trapping on federal lands in states where it has been banned? Why no federal law restoring and protecting trapping? you answered your own question earlier...pretty far down on the list of real concerns for a President.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Gerald Schmitt]
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04/30/25 08:53 AM
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"Possibly in the states like New Mexico, where they banned footholds only on public land, he could reverse it. (Still questionable whether this would be a good idea, because it would set a precedent that the next anti-trapping President could use to ban trapping on Federal ground in all states). "
This will apply to all the EO nonsense that is going on now. You get instant gratification, but it will be instantly reversed by the next guy and he will get to instantly do all the things you don't like. Enjoy the short term victories. Prepare for the reversals.
Who is John Galt?
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: trapdog1]
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04/30/25 09:46 AM
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It would sure be easier for me if the republican party would get their heads out of their..."you know whats" on some of the other issues that are near and dear to me. There are Republican policies that irritate me too, but they generally don't support anti gun and anti trapping nonsense like you are facing. Therefore, I haven't voted for a Democrat in 40 years. How anyone that considers themselves a trapper or gun owner can vote for them is simply baffling. There are lots and lots of democrat gun owners and trappers. For some, there are more important things to them, that govern how they vote. They'd rather vote for someone they agree with 95% and fight for the last 5%, than vote for someone they agree with 5% and fight for the last 95%. Democrats/liberals/leftists are the fastest growing group of gun owners right now, and they really want to see the democrat party drop the gun control BS. Democrat politicians are addicted to the money from Bloomberg and friends though, who of course love gun control. I don't know how many democrats/liberals/leftists trap. But then again, the percent of republicans/conservatives that trap isn't very high either. In my own state, in the 2018-19 season, there were 7692 fur harvest permits sold, and our state has a population of 2.005 million. So that means that, regardless of political afiliation, 0.4% of nebraskans are trappers.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Swamp Wolf]
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04/30/25 10:19 AM
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Sitting on the fence sure as heck don't help.
Pick a side or hush! I have picked a side. There's more than 2. But you know this already.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: loosegoose]
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04/30/25 10:43 AM
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Sitting on the fence sure as heck don't help.
Pick a side or hush! I have picked a side. There's more than 2. But you know this already. Yeah....I do...but those other "sides" are as useless as teats on a boar hog...and you know it. They are just used as an excuse.
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: Gerald Schmitt]
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04/30/25 10:59 AM
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Attacking each other is about as useful as teats on a boar as well. The best results are when we all work together for our common interests and maybe pay a little less attention to those things that divide us.
My fear of moving stairs is escalating!
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Re: Oregon, Democrats, and Anti Trapping Bills
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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04/30/25 11:08 AM
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Attacking each other is about as useful as teats on a boar as well. The best results are when we all work together for our common interests and maybe pay a little less attention to those things that divide us. Im not attacking anyone by just pointing out the facts. If the facts sting...get away from that wasp nest.
Thank God For Your Blessings! Never Half-Arse Anything!
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