Re: I hate red cedar
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The Red cedar we see in the lower 48, on the eastern side is Eastern Red Cedar, (Juniperus virginiana) the red cedar AK is talking about is a completely different tree. (Thuja plicata).
again we see the issue with using common names to identify botanical things. That’s why I specified western red cedar when I realized he was in PA. I’ve never been east of Montana, so I have no clue what grows there. I understand the difference and that is why I also specified western red cedar in my post. Western red cedar is a better wood than eastern red cedar and even though eastern red cedar is native to PA, western red cedar lumber is more readily available here. It could be because western red cedar grows three or four times bigger than most eastern red cedars.
Eh...wot?
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Re: I hate red cedar
[Re: Joco1995]
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Great thread amazing to see old growth trees like that That one isn’t a particularly impressive specimen, it’s not even the biggest or most complex thing I cut today, I was just nearby my backpack, and my wife asked me to take more pictures of things, so I’ve been trying to remember to when my phone is close
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Re: I hate red cedar
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I grew up next to a shake mill and while I learned to dislike the smell it would be hard to dispute its utility as a roofing material. Yellow cedar doesn't come close. I have cut up Western Red Cedar windfalls that had 8-foot stumps growing over them. You won't find that with yellow cedar. Yes, you can do more with a Red cedar than a yellow cedar on the stump and they save better just because red cedar is more brittle but the sheer volume of red cedar that has been cut gives it more utility. I have some beautiful stretching boards made out of western red cedar, superior to yellow cedar IMO. I can appreciate red cedar…after it gets to the mill lol. My perspective and opinions come from being the guy who’s gotta cut it, so I appreciate trees that are willing to work with me a little bit, and reds are low on that list for reasons every cutter can agree with. It’s by no means the worst, in fact most tree species have at least some annoying qualities. Hemlock has bad rot issues in certain stands, and is prone to windshake in the butts. Spruce limbs (especially in old growth) are hard as iron. Alders like to barberchair unless you cut them all the way off. Red cedar I’ve complained about enough for today. And yellow cedar are God’s tree, they’re perfect lol. I also really like the Doug Fir they have in WA, OR, and parts of CA, but it gets real hard and cobby if you go east of the cascade mountains
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Re: I hate red cedar
[Re: newfox1]
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One things for sure, that one ain’t getting no bigger. Lol It probably hasn’t for quite some time. The Tongass is over ripe, it’s dying where it stands
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Re: I hate red cedar
[Re: AK Timber Tramp]
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One things for sure, that one ain’t getting no bigger. Lol It probably hasn’t for quite some time. The Tongass is over ripe, it’s dying where it stands Yep, protected until it goes to waste. You look around SE AK and the forest doesn’t look predominantly healthy. Those cedar, hemlock, and spruce can only reach for the sky so long, before falling down.
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Re: I hate red cedar
[Re: Gary Benson]
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They take over pastures. Good deer habitat but not good pasture. We have mountain juniper around here but most ppl call it cedar. It is the same way and hard on anyone with allergies.
�What�s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.� Captain Gus McCrae- Texas Rangers
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Re: I hate red cedar
[Re: AK Timber Tramp]
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AK, tell your wife BP said those cedars are "mas complicada que la cagada de un tullido".
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Re: I hate red cedar
[Re: beaverpeeler]
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AK, tell your wife BP said those cedars are "mas complicada que la cagada de un tullido". I’ll read this to her when I talk to her next lol
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Re: I hate red cedar
[Re: AK Timber Tramp]
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I grew up next to a shake mill and while I learned to dislike the smell it would be hard to dispute its utility as a roofing material. Yellow cedar doesn't come close. I have cut up Western Red Cedar windfalls that had 8-foot stumps growing over them. You won't find that with yellow cedar. Yes, you can do more with a Red cedar than a yellow cedar on the stump and they save better just because red cedar is more brittle but the sheer volume of red cedar that has been cut gives it more utility. I have some beautiful stretching boards made out of western red cedar, superior to yellow cedar IMO. I can appreciate red cedar…after it gets to the mill lol. My perspective and opinions come from being the guy who’s gotta cut it, so I appreciate trees that are willing to work with me a little bit, and reds are low on that list for reasons every cutter can agree with. It’s by no means the worst, in fact most tree species have at least some annoying qualities. Hemlock has bad rot issues in certain stands, and is prone to windshake in the butts. Spruce limbs (especially in old growth) are hard as iron. Alders like to barberchair unless you cut them all the way off. Red cedar I’ve complained about enough for today. And yellow cedar are God’s tree, they’re perfect lol. I also really like the Doug Fir they have in WA, OR, and parts of CA, but it gets real hard and cobby if you go east of the cascade mountains Do you have white fir there? Old growth white fir is worse than hemlock in my opinion. You will get into stands of it where every one is just a shell with the whole core rotted out. I've seen them just explode into toothpicks when a saw was put to them. Now tamarack is a nice tree to fall and buck, very seldom rotten, very few limbs, and not a lot of taper. They do tend to shatter though if you screw up and hit a stump with them. And yeah, spruce limbs suck, for those of you who have never dealt with them, go watch a chaser limbing spruce in the half light of dawn, you can see sparks fly from the chain.
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Re: I hate red cedar
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Me to…. I have to truck it 50 mile to then be put into a log boom and floated down south…. No money left….. Took a full long load out and only ended up with 3 g after paying my faller friend 700…. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2025/05/full-31-258431-img_0350.jpeg)
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Re: I hate red cedar
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Me to…. I have to truck it 50 mile to then be put into a log boom and floated down south…. No money left….. Took a full long load out and only ended up with 3 g after paying my faller friend 700…. ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2025/05/full-31-258431-img_0350.jpeg) What happens with ours depends on who owns the wood, and the diameter. Forest service allows 60% export, state ground allows 75% export. The red cedar under 30” on the scale end (small end) gets milled locally, anything larger goes export, usually to Canada. Yellow cedar is mostly export, same for large diameter spruce, and hemlock can go either way. Private ground (owned by and individual, company, or native corporation) can be 100% export.
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