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[Re: Savell]
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Within context of those Books.  Those verses make perfect sense to me but I subscribe to the Angelic View of Genesis 6.  If one subscribes to the Sethite view, theyll scratch their heads on all the OT and move on to the NT.
 Like Ive already said, if one gets Gen 6 wrong, then we misinterpret most of the OT.
 
 Leviticus is nearly written completely by Yahweh Himself in first person.  Its probably one of the most important Books in the OT as it explains His Holiness and His demands of Obedience.
 
 In light of the Angelic View of Gen 6 regarding these verses, Yahweh is not acting as crazed, genocidal tyrant, but rather a Loving Father trying to protect His children.  Those races God was forbidding them to intermingle with were descendants of the Raphaim.  The  bad blood, the corrupted bloodline.
 
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[Re: Savell]
 #8437600 07/16/25 11:20 PM
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I dont read it that way.  IMO, the bad blood was tied to Ham, the father of Canaan, and his descendants which are tied to the Raphaim.  Goes back to the . And also after that in Gen 6:4. 
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[Re: Savell]
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Ok Savell, what ya do? Fess up  ![[Linked Image]](https://trapperman.com/forum/attachments/usergals/2025/07/full-15350-263657-d2592722cc947764135e185606b7dcc1_2789080809.jpg) 
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[Re: Savell]
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Sval, If you read 2Kings ch 21 you will see why God was trying to keep his Peaple away from idolatry.
 Vs6 speaking of child sacrifice. This was leading up to the distruction of Solomons temple and Jerusalem.
 Gods peaple had become the very thing he was trying to protect them from.
 
 This should be a lesson for our nation. We started out as a nation that was based on Christian values.
 Some peaple think because we were founded on Christian values that we will be under God's grace.
 Since the 70s it has been the law of the land that peaple can sacrifice there children so thy don't have to inconvenience there own lives and make sacrifices for there children instead. This is a form of idolatry.
 How long will we collectively be under God's protection.
 
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[Re: Savell]
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If you were on a plane crash, your children passed away in the crash, you were  only one alive, sitting in 10' of snow with no one around and you were freezing and starving........things might change. Hence, why its important to make sure your children will have life eternal with Christ.     The only thing, you can take with you......... |  |  |  
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[Re: Savell]
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I know it's difficult, and most people struggle to do it, but if you're going to read the Bible, you have to read it as a unified whole. Things are still uncomfortable (to put it very lightly! If you want to read some really disturbing stuff, read Judges. Maybe chapters 19-21.), but they do become easier to understand with some context (both intra-biblical and extra-biblical context helps). For what it's worth, as others have said, the Leviticus passage is not a command from God. It's a depiction of what would happen to people under a prolonged military siege. The Numbers passage is a command from Moses, and again as others have said, it is addressing a problem from a few chapters prior to this one (Number 25 - that chapter was violent and gruesome as well). The larger context of military victory/vengeance campaigns in the Torah and Prophets depicts the Israelites as bringing God's judgement on the violent/corrupt nations in and around Canaan in the same way that the flood was supposed to deal with the corruption and violence of the entire world. The larger context of the Old Testament in general is that it all failed. Beginning on page 3 of the Bible we basically get a long series of narratives that all exhibit different ways that God tries to restore humanity and Creation back to the Eden purpose, and even more ways that it doesn't work. There's basically a new and exciting failure at every turn. So when we're reading Numbers or Joshua and seeing military campaigns and violence, keep in mind that, even though God has at that point bound Himself in a Covenant to a violent and militaristic people group and is using them to bring about His purposes in the world, the whole thing fails in the end. Actually, it fails even from the beginning, but it was the failure of Israel that would eventually bring salvation the to whole world (see Deuteronomy 32 or Romans 11). Israel's failure was, in the end, a success, and ff you want to see what success (in accomplishing God's goal for humanity) looks like, you have to make it all the way to the Gospels and experience a lot of heartache, disgust, and confusion on your way there. The story of Israel may begin with violence and abuse, but the climax of the story is about a man who said to love your enemies and then let his enemies kill him rather than participate in the violence that rules our world.
 P.S. This is why the Old Testament does matter Wolfdog. The New Testament only makes sense within the context of the entire Bible. Without the OT, we end up with Platonized eschatology, moralized anthropology, and paganized soteriology - as I tried to explain on another post yesterday.
 
 P.P.S. Chancey, I also read Genesis 6 as speaking about spiritual beings, but I do think you may be misapplying the lesson. Purity of blood was on the Deuteronomic agenda, but it seems to be related to the pull of worshiping pagan gods, not the introduction of demon DNA into the bloodline. And anyway, the purity of blood pursuit failed from start to finish. The end goal of the entire business of the bible is that all nations/peoples get to join God's family - by choice, not bloodline. Then again, maybe I'm misapplying what you're trying to say?
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[Re: jht]
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Jht,I'll say it again,  I really like the way you explain things.
 I've not met someone who seems to understand scripture the same as I do.
 I'm not the best at expressing my self. Or explaining my understanding.
 Thanks for chiming in.
 
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Fellas, if you think Savell cares to actually understand the context of the passage I think you have missed the markYou may be right but he's tryin to learn ADC sumpin important. 
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[Re: Ed Patrick]
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Blue Letter Bible app. I suggest for those interested in the word of God that they down load it. Then click on commentaries of any verse(s) you like and you can read all about it.Thats a good app 
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[Re: Giant Sage]
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Before you know it sval be prophcin all sorts Bible. you'll see!!  He already proved his worth as a Christian/Human being in my book! Called to check up on me and encouraged me to come back around when I was feeling really anxious and depressed.  Hes been a helpful boi. |  |  |  
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Before you know it sval be prophcin all sorts Bible. you'll see!!  He already proved his worth as a Christian/Human being in my book! Called to check up on me and encouraged me to come back around when I was feeling really anxious and depressed.  Hes been a helpful boi. Didn't I tell ya?    
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If you were on a plane crash, your children passed away in the crash, you were  only one alive, sitting in 10' of snow with no one around and you were freezing and starving........things might change. Hence, why its important to make sure your children will have life eternal with Christ.     The only thing, you can take with you.........If if and buts were candy and nuts we'd all have a Merry Christmas.  With that said there is no scenario where I eat my children 
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[Re: BandB]
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If you read the whole passage, it states exactly what is going on. The first part covers the results of obedience,  and the second part covers the consequences of continued disobedience. 100% 
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