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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448105
08/03/25 08:13 PM
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Do a little research... hurricanes aren't any more plentiful than early twentieth century.

Always had forest fires (they're down from the 1930's).

Always had floods.

Lots of beetle infestations before...

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448107
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Google national hurricane center/ NOAA hurricane strikes by decade

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448180
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BP,
You might as well give up with trying to convince this bunch to see things your way.

It's an insurmountable battle taking on so many individuals who can think for themselves, using common sense and logic and can see through the BS.

Given the statements you are making, it is clear to me that you have been misinformed by some very deceitful, and in my opinion, evil people who are doing this for only two purposes. Money and power. It is as simple as that.

These nefarious people should have went with predicting Global Cooling rather than warming. If they want to scare the populous with real devastation, they should have used the scare tactic of the ensuing New Man Made Ice Age.
They were able to make up Global Warming out of insignificant data, they could surely do likewise for Global Cooling. Maybe that is why y'all quit calling it Global Warming so you could more easily transition into a Global Cooling farce more seamlessly when the time comes.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Leroy Bob] #8448198
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The high temp today was about 35° lower than the high temp four days ago. Climate changed overnight.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: charles] #8448212
08/03/25 10:57 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
The high temp today was about 35° lower than the high temp four days ago. Climate changed overnight.


No Chuck, the weather changed overnight. Climate is the average weather conditions over a length of time; ie: decades- centuries. Not 96 hours.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Massac] #8448214
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Originally Posted by Massac
Originally Posted by charles
The high temp today was about 35° lower than the high temp four days ago. Climate changed overnight.


No Chuck, the weather changed overnight. Climate is the average weather conditions over a length of time; ie: decades- centuries. Not 96 hours.


Correct. Climate is the average over 30 years.


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448222
08/04/25 12:05 AM
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Didn't any of you have science classes in high school?\

LOL


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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448229
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But, but, but... The Grand Old Party (whom I'm registered with, by the way) says global warming is a conspiracy and is a sham that's out to get us for our taxes.

It's crazy how some on the right side can be such rank and file blind followers, just as people on the left side can be.

There's evidence all around of a consistently warming earth if you can take the blinders off and stop looking at everything through elephant and donkey shaped glasses. It goes beyond disagreeing with something Al Gore said 1/4 of a century ago. At some point you're just being straight up asinine and obtuse to be a denier.

Artic and antarctic ice is diminishing. Less surface ice reflects less sunlight back into space. More open water absorbs more sunlight (and heat) and leads to rising ocean temperatures. As Beaverpeeler mentioned, reefs are bleaching. Permafrost is melting releasing naturally stored greenhouse gases. South American countries are wiping out swathes of rainforests that are one of the largest land based recyclers and converters of CO2. All these different scenarios are real and measurable happenings, and to deny their happenings or their impact on the planet is honestly a little bit radical.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448242
08/04/25 02:37 AM
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Over the 45 or so years I've lived in Alaska, freeze up has come later and later, on average.
Pretty skeptical the warming was caused by us humans.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Massac] #8448248
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Originally Posted by Massac
But, but, but... The Grand Old Party (whom I'm registered with, by the way) says global warming is a conspiracy and is a sham that's out to get us for our taxes.

It's crazy how some on the right side can be such rank and file blind followers, just as people on the left side can be.

There's evidence all around of a consistently warming earth if you can take the blinders off and stop looking at everything through elephant and donkey shaped glasses. It goes beyond disagreeing with something Al Gore said 1/4 of a century ago. At some point you're just being straight up asinine and obtuse to be a denier.

Artic and antarctic ice is diminishing. Less surface ice reflects less sunlight back into space. More open water absorbs more sunlight (and heat) and leads to rising ocean temperatures. As Beaverpeeler mentioned, reefs are bleaching. Permafrost is melting releasing naturally stored greenhouse gases. South American countries are wiping out swathes of rainforests that are one of the largest land based recyclers and converters of CO2. All these different scenarios are real and measurable happenings, and to deny their happenings or their impact on the planet is honestly a little bit radical.



The high temp here today was 71*. I’ll take global cooling I guess….BTW, the but, but, but, statement is more easily applied to any number of bs stories used and propagated by the left, climate change included. Did the near decade long drought across the middle of our great nation in the 1930’s happen due the climate change also??? Seriously, are you attributing that great shift of weather patterns to a bunch of industries in their infancies in only a couple nations on earth? As soon as you can warp another taxpayer funded scientist to try and convince me of that, I may change. But I doubt it…. Go ahead, think on that…


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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448263
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Change, it happens. We can spend a fortune trying to stop it, but it ain’t stopping. Just try to keep from getting old and let us know how that works out for you.


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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Massac] #8448306
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Originally Posted by Massac
But, but, but... The Grand Old Party (whom I'm registered with, by the way) says global warming is a conspiracy and is a sham that's out to get us for our taxes.

It's crazy how some on the right side can be such rank and file blind followers, just as people on the left side can be.

There's evidence all around of a consistently warming earth if you can take the blinders off and stop looking at everything through elephant and donkey shaped glasses. It goes beyond disagreeing with something Al Gore said 1/4 of a century ago. At some point you're just being straight up asinine and obtuse to be a denier.

Artic and antarctic ice is diminishing. Less surface ice reflects less sunlight back into space. More open water absorbs more sunlight (and heat) and leads to rising ocean temperatures. As Beaverpeeler mentioned, reefs are bleaching. Permafrost is melting releasing naturally stored greenhouse gases. South American countries are wiping out swathes of rainforests that are one of the largest land based recyclers and converters of CO2. All these different scenarios are real and measurable happenings, and to deny their happenings or their impact on the planet is honestly a little bit radical.


None of that proves that humans are causing it. A correlation in time does NOT establish a scientific cause and effect relationship.

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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Massac] #8448312
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Originally Posted by Massac
But, but, but... The Grand Old Party (whom I'm registered with, by the way) says global warming is a conspiracy and is a sham that's out to get us for our taxes.

It's crazy how some on the right side can be such rank and file blind followers, just as people on the left side can be.

There's evidence all around of a consistently warming earth if you can take the blinders off and stop looking at everything through elephant and donkey shaped glasses. It goes beyond disagreeing with something Al Gore said 1/4 of a century ago. At some point you're just being straight up asinine and obtuse to be a denier.

Artic and antarctic ice is diminishing. Less surface ice reflects less sunlight back into space. More open water absorbs more sunlight (and heat) and leads to rising ocean temperatures. As Beaverpeeler mentioned, reefs are bleaching. Permafrost is melting releasing naturally stored greenhouse gases. South American countries are wiping out swathes of rainforests that are one of the largest land based recyclers and converters of CO2. All these different scenarios are real and measurable happenings, and to deny their happenings or their impact on the planet is honestly a little bit radical.

NY was covered with ice 10,000-15,000 years ago. It melted all on its own, climate change, but no one was here then.

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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8448315
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Didn't any of you have science classes in high school?\

LOL


What did your science classes have to say about drawing scientific conclusions from correlations in time?

LOL!

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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: martentrapper] #8448354
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Originally Posted by martentrapper
Over the 45 or so years I've lived in Alaska, freeze up has come later and later, on average.
Pretty skeptical the warming was caused by us humans.


If you forget about politics for a bit and just consider raw science. We know that water vapor holds in heat right? We also know that the greenhouse gases do the same. Consider for a moment that every gallon of gas that gets burned produces 20 lbs of CO2 and then add in all the other fossil fuels being used and it starts to make sense.


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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: white marlin] #8448362
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
Didn't any of you have science classes in high school?\

LOL


What did your science classes have to say about drawing scientific conclusions from correlations in time?

LOL!


You words not mine. There is a reason that 97% of the scientists that work in this field do believe that global warming we are seeing since the start of the industrial revolution is man caused... because nothing else makes sense. It's happening too fast for any other natural reasons to compute. You should look into it. In the history of the world there have been warm ups and cool downs all via natural means. None have happened this fast or even close to it. So far the models started in the 50's have actually been off...we're warming much faster than thought possible back then.


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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448372
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BP, if you send a YouTube video link they’ll listen.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448374
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BP, the correlation thing IS Science 101. Period. Full stop.

And it is easily proven.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8448421
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Please to show how "correlation" has discredited man-caused global climate change. It would be odd that 97% of the scientists who support man-caused climate change flunked Science 101.


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I think we get more heat change from this than some gas in the air.

https://phys.org/news/2016-09-temperature-earth-crust.html


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