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Interesting. About 10 years or so ago, one of the TV stations submitted a list of 100 of the most influential people in America. They asked viewers to vote each week. Each week, based on the voting, they narrowed the field down after the first week to 50, the next week to 25, the next week to 10, the next week to 5. Finally they voted for the most most outstanding American from those last 5. I recall some of the finalists were Washington, Lincoln, Reagan, Franklin, and one other I don't recall. The winner was Lincoln.
We are living in a world where the intelligent must be quiet so that the no common sense people won't be offended.
Re: Lincoln, Dictator Destroyer of the Constitution
[Re: Trapper7]
#8448394 11 hours ago11 hours ago
Interesting. About 10 years or so ago, one of the TV stations submitted a list of 100 of the most influential people in America. They asked viewers to vote each week. Each week, based on the voting, they narrowed the field down after the first week to 50, the next week to 25, the next week to 10, the next week to 5. Finally they voted for the most most outstanding American from those last 5. I recall some of the finalists were Washington, Lincoln, Reagan, Franklin, and one other I don't recall. The winner was Lincoln.
Well, think.about how ignorant the average American is. Then realize that 50% are ignernter...
Re: Lincoln, Dictator Destroyer of the Constitution
[Re: DaveP]
#8448395 11 hours ago11 hours ago
Interesting. About 10 years or so ago, one of the TV stations submitted a list of 100 of the most influential people in America. They asked viewers to vote each week. Each week, based on the voting, they narrowed the field down after the first week to 50, the next week to 25, the next week to 10, the next week to 5. Finally they voted for the most most outstanding American from those last 5. I recall some of the finalists were Washington, Lincoln, Reagan, Franklin, and one other I don't recall. The winner was Lincoln.
Well, think.about how ignorant the average American is. Then realize that 50% are ignernter...
And words are important. Influential does not necessarily equate to outstanding. And neither necessarily implies good. Genghis Khan was both influential and outstanding. Good is up for debate.
Re: Lincoln, Dictator Destroyer of the Constitution
[Re: warrior]
#8448404 10 hours ago10 hours ago
Watches a YouTube video and is now an expert on (insert subject). Lord help this society.
Average person attends one American History class in 9th grade public school and forms their opinion around it. Guess knowledge doesn't count unless it's obtained from a college eh?
Of course people can gain knowledge from sources other than college. Watching some guy on YouTube may give a person knowledge--but that's all he gets, knowledge of some guy doing a video on YouTube. The viewer gains no expertise. The viewer gains no deep understanding of the subject matter. YouTube is not "research" and it is not an education. Same for TikTok, etc.
I know plenty of people who are experts in subjects and they never took a class on them. They however spent years studying the subjects--including, brace yourselves, reading actual books.
Re: Lincoln, Dictator Destroyer of the Constitution
[Re: warrior]
#8448543 6 hours ago6 hours ago
Average person attends one American History class in 9th grade public school and forms their opinion around it. Guess knowledge doesn't count unless it's obtained from a college eh?
Of course people can gain knowledge from sources other than college. Watching some guy on YouTube may give a person knowledge--but that's all he gets, knowledge of some guy doing a video on YouTube. The viewer gains no expertise. The viewer gains no deep understanding of the subject matter. YouTube is not "research" and it is not an education. Same for TikTok, etc.
I know plenty of people who are experts in subjects and they never took a class on them. They however spent years studying the subjects--including, brace yourselves, reading actual books.
Okay then bottom fee..., coucilor, how many books, articles, and research do you do?
And if you care to ask, son of an english major high school librarian who was reading by kindergarten as was my two brothers. All three of us in advanced placement throughout k-12. So it's true reading is fundamental. BTW as a son of the south of my generation I and all of my peers fought and refought the recent unpleasantness ad infinitim from childhood on. Shelby Foote was not an abberation as most all southerners of a certain age know their history.
And if you had bothered to watch rather than knee jerk you could see sources cited for you or any other to go read for yourself.
Re: Lincoln, Dictator Destroyer of the Constitution
[Re: warrior]
#8448572 6 hours ago6 hours ago
YouTube isn't research? It helped me fix some things around my house. It helped me with trapping. It helped in a bunch of ways. It absolutely is a good tool if you skip around the crap that's on it. There's lot of great content that can teach people whatever they want to learn.
Re: Lincoln, Dictator Destroyer of the Constitution
[Re: martentrapper]
#8448574 6 hours ago6 hours ago
Of course people can gain knowledge from sources other than college. Watching some guy on YouTube may give a person knowledge--but that's all he gets, knowledge of some guy doing a video on YouTube. The viewer gains no expertise. The viewer gains no deep understanding of the subject matter. YouTube is not "research" and it is not an education. Same for TikTok, etc.
I know plenty of people who are experts in subjects and they never took a class on them. They however spent years studying the subjects--including, brace yourselves, reading actual books.
Okay then bottom fee..., coucilor, how many books, articles, and research do you do?
And if you care to ask, son of an english major high school librarian who was reading by kindergarten as was my two brothers. All three of us in advanced placement throughout k-12. So it's true reading is fundamental. BTW as a son of the south of my generation I and all of my peers fought and refought the recent unpleasantness ad infinitim from childhood on. Shelby Foote was not an abberation as most all southerners of a certain age know their history.
And if you had bothered to watch rather than knee jerk you could see sources cited for you or any other to go read for yourself.
About Lincoln? I just read one called How the Best Did It: Leadership Lessons from Our Top Presidents. Not a history book per se but interesting. It was assigned reading for one of my kids in college--I saw it laying on a counter at the house and read it. Not exactly heavy academic reading.
But, I am not posting YouTube videos on Tman claiming to have cracked some historical case.
As for the rest of your post, I had to read it three times. I think you are trying to claim some expertise because your mother was an English major and a librarian. She would be disappointed that you misspelled "aberration." And, "counselor" or "councilor".
Re: Lincoln, Dictator Destroyer of the Constitution
[Re: warrior]
#8448591 5 hours ago5 hours ago
She would, indeed. My point, if you're really that obtuse, is that one video is not the extent of what I know of the despot Lincoln. It does however, rather graphically make the case I and many others through the generations have been trying to make.
Re: Lincoln, Dictator Destroyer of the Constitution
[Re: DaveP]
#8448620 4 hours ago4 hours ago
Interesting. About 10 years or so ago, one of the TV stations submitted a list of 100 of the most influential people in America. They asked viewers to vote each week. Each week, based on the voting, they narrowed the field down after the first week to 50, the next week to 25, the next week to 10, the next week to 5. Finally they voted for the most most outstanding American from those last 5. I recall some of the finalists were Washington, Lincoln, Reagan, Franklin, and one other I don't recall. The winner was Lincoln.
Well, think.about how ignorant the average American is. Then realize that 50% are ignernter...
I didn't say I agreed with the end result. Just remembered the poll that was taken back then.
We are living in a world where the intelligent must be quiet so that the no common sense people won't be offended.
Re: Lincoln, Dictator Destroyer of the Constitution
[Re: warrior]
#8448669 3 hours ago3 hours ago
I tried watching it and I couldn’t get past the language.. I get a few cuss words every now and then,, but the constant fbombs make it unwatchable for me.
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