Saw a video from different angle on a coworkers phone. Charlie had an impact in his chest shirt moved plate outline was visible for a flash or at least what it looked like fron that close up angle.

My guess is bullet deflected up into his neck off his plate after seeing that video. Makes the neck shot make more since to me as well.

Hard video to watch. Wish the other thread hadn't got taken down, tough to sleep tonight having two kids his kids ages.

I can't say that I'm surprised that he was attacked but I figured it would be a punch or other simple battery but never this.

What happened with the other thread? Somebody's "venting" get a bit strong?

As usual people wanna start doin personal attacks on folks and then get worse when comments aren't one sided enough

Around covid time I just simply began shutting off the news, no social media, just disconnect except from youtube is my last thing to go. Been much happier and made more friends, done more in my life since getting rid of all the left vs right junk out there from the elites... but hearing about stuff like charlie is unreal.

I knew a lot didn't like him, but when did murder (in front of his family as well I think?) become okay? to widow his wife and leave his young children (same age as my two youngest really hits home) to grow up without an earthly father become okay?

Outside looking in here from canada and we definiitely have our own problems with our government and such, but it looks like the left is just beating the crap out of and assaulting, shooting, killing now, and leveraging funds (paying media off, i know he right has their own media like Fox as well but the left more so) aganst the right.

I don't know how the right is still so passive and how there isn't another civil war getting sparked off man.

The bottom line is, we don’t hate ourselves that much.

Too busy working and raising families

As long as the lights are on, food in the fridge, and some sporting thing to watch few people will be willing to risk their comfort.

Not anything makes a direct threat to our families safty they beter look out..

Better start working on a different kind of comfort. Don’t want to be caught unprepared.

One madman does not constitute the " left ". One abortion clinic shooter does not constitute the " right ".

Boy if Blaine said that ....

When was the last abortion clinic shooting?

True but6 my opinion is that we didn't have these shootings till we had the "left"

And…….the celebration of it?

Just one?

How about all of them? Or are you not paying attention? Maybe you're part of it.

O nevermknd I stand corrected.... Was nice knowing you Mr..Danny , now turn and face the wall

Ooookay, your point?

And…..what does that have to do with people celebrating the assassination ol Charlie Kirk?

This

If you're upset about Charlie Kirk, you should be equally upset about the Minnesota lawmakers who were recently gunned down at their homes.

Both series of events are equally wrong.

I recall people.here celebrating when Pelosi's husband was beaten with a hammer in his home. Also wrong.

Be morally and intellectually consistent.

Why do Liberals always go off topic with the Caption Obvious stuff to try to make a point? Jessica Tarlov pulls the same stuff if you notice.

all of us are guilty of being inconsistent in our stated beliefs, versus our actions.

a few have even made it their profession.

No you don't. No one celebrated that. Some people might have made a wise crack. He wasn't killed either. And a far cry from a political assassination.

ol' dad

Your post regarding politics are always confusing and seldom make sense.

ol' dad

Because they think attaching to the one instance that may help them in their argument in a case of “whataboutism” gives them the moral and intellectual high ground.

The self avowed party of love, peace, and tolerance continues to display its hate, violence, and intolerance.

There is one political belief that has time and time again displayed its willingness to try to, or actually kill you if you don’t believe in the ideology they do.

And it’s not conservatives!

Liberalism is a cancer on this country.

Lol mkay

, you really dot. Get the whole , hay you said the song thing now turn and face the wall....so you can be shot .... You know like they did and Stalinist rus.... nevermind...

Liberal bad conservative good trump good .
Better ?

Thanks for making my point.

And by the way, its ok to say you don't like Trump. Just quit trying to cloak it in some kind of moral superiority.

ol' dad

Always leads back to " you don't like trump .....Lord in heaven help me also it's not me cloaking stuff in moral superiority it's me talking to you like a intellectual equal . Here's a hint if I'm talking in really really basics terms I probably don't think your that smart ...I'm I'm pretty dumb so if I think I need to break something down Barney style well ..

Just in:

Investigators found ammunition engraved with expressions of transgender and antifascist ideology inside the rifle that authorities believe was used in the fatal shooting of Charlie Kirk, according to an internal law enforcement bulletin and a person familiar with the investigation.

The older-model .30 caliber hunting rifle was discovered in the woods near the scene of Wednesday’s shooting at Utah Valley University, wrapped in a towel with a spent cartridge still in the chamber, the sources said. There were also three unspent rounds in the magazine, all with wording on them.

Link?

That was (D)ifferent. Just like those politicians in Minnesota. Something was (D)ifferent about those cases, they weren't a big deal.

It would be totally inappropriate to make wisecracks in this case.

Well, it's here but I think you have to be a subscriber to read it.

Here, I grabbed some screen shots.

Stupid pic with finger ON trigger !

Face it , once your labeled as a liberal in here about anything you say will be seen in a bad light regardless of your actual content or intent

Why are is there only stuff like this happening at "right" rallies? Either the "left" don't have any, or the "right" are tough hard workers that don't take crap, but are mentally stable enough not to pull something like this off. Hummm.....I think I like red states better, not a shot to my buddies in MN, I consider northern MN red......lol
With all the cams around, there's gotta be one near the stair access to the roof.

When someone only attends anti orange man rallies you pretty much label yourself or at the very least agree with the anti gun left side of the aisle on that point. Just sayin....

So if yote , Sharon, warrior or one of the other well known conservatives on here went to one for ...idk they just wanted to see what one was like or whatever...not saying the would and no I'm not being derogatory by using them as examples there just well known Trump supporters and conservatives....and no I'm not saying that a bad thing... Then they would automatically agree with anti trump sentiments ? That the logic were working with ?

A person just can go to just see how one is for that side ? I mean if a liberal got curious and went to a trump rally just because does that automatically make then agree with trump ?

What if a Jew went to a Hitler rally just to see who the heck this guy was?


Never mind,see you made it more specific..point taken ...carry on

LOL how did I end up in this, especially listed as being a "well known Trump supporter"?

People see numbers in crowds which they assume is support. A conservative in no way or form, whether intentional are not, give the perception of support by attending. Should trappers march in a PETA rally?

This is an intrusion on free speech. You have a right to disagree with what certain people say, but not take it any farther.

I have read where some of the investigators are thinking this was a professional hit that was well planned in advance. The shooter stayed hidden and had a pre-planned escape.

Because your a well known trump supporter on the forum like you just are .again it's not derogatory or anything you simply kinda obvious. You've made a crap load of pro trump comments and what not so...yeahhh

nothing wrong with going to a rally or event to see what its about...we can debate and state our views thats healthy. but its the lefty liberals that are taking the "roof top" seats and those condoning violence needs to be delts with...enough is enough!

Well with those thoughts I guess you not a conservative lol

very conservative
but like i said enough is enough

I agree. Celebrating was a poor choice of words.

Violence is always wrong if you disagree with certain people and their ideals. The shooter in MN should be punished to the full extent of the law. I hope he gets the death penalty.

I support some of the stuff Trump does, sure, but I am very much against some of the other things he is doing... i.e. tariffs, going after the Fed, firing people based on knee jerk reactions, getting the government involved in the ownership of private companies, etc. (especially that last one!)

If you're gonna use me as an example, you should at least know what you're talking about first!

So your more like me and agree with lot of me feeling on him cool beans

Have we ever had a president that everything they did we agreed with? I know I haven't, Trump included. I'm very much in favor of a lot of what he's doing, but not everything.

Wolfdog,
You can replace YT30 with me as a "well known Trump supporter."

MAGA!

I fully support Trump! The tariffs, the firings, all of it.

Best president in my lifetime!

And, I'll NEVER attend a liberal rally...EVER!

Makes perfect sense.

ol' dad

Yeah and here I though being a well known trump supporter was a badge of conservative honor on here ...guess not ... Then again yote seem to have conflict with 70% of what I post so

Wow for someone who doesn't seem to understand what I usually say you got that
Dont worry the wolfdog91 fan clue t shirt are in the works I'll mail ya one , even autograph it

I'm not picking on you man, I just have a hard time following your train of thought when it comes to political posts.

Lets not get the thread axed, assuming its not too late.

For the record, I believe that your opinion is as valuable as mine or any others on here.

ol' dad

Should trappers march in a PETA rally?

march or attend? with what intent?

ok I'll be I thought you where trying to be a little condensing. Thats my fault for jumping to conclusions and man to man apologize for that. Honestly .

Yeah marching in and just attending one are two different things

the sane people of this country can see this, is , was , will always be wrong.
no need to take the killing to civil war level , if you did you would just get blamed for a genocide or is it lefticide , well it doesn't matter what it would be called , it is what it would be and it would only serve to further divide.

Also , History lesson 4 sitting presidents have been killed in office, 3 of the 4 were Republicans and the 4th was killed because he wasn't Left enough. by a Marxist or his own government does it really matter?

assassination attempts Regan also a republican

and Roosevelt who had been a republican but was technically an independent at the time of the attempt

then there is the Republican baseball team assassination attempt

so we have more than a century of history of violence against republicans and it hasn't started a war yet.

because this county runs on the people who get up and go to work every day so that they can put food on the table , a roof over their kids heads , and enjoy life as much as they can.
never forget those are the people who make every day happen , administrations and policy can get in their way punish them financially for taking care of their own and wanting a better life for their families. but in the end it is the millions who got up and went to work this morning who make this country run.

I want Trump to move the marker so far right it will take the left winning 10 election cycles just to get back to center. lol

FBI is reporting they have the guy on camera leading up to the building in the building on the building and leaving.

It can't happen in 3 years.

There you go being a party pooper.

I agree.



I wouldn't go that far. Your posts often seem decidedly liberal. The reasons I have for disliking some of the things that Trump does... is he because he is not conservative enough! Particularly, he is FAR from fiscally conservative... and I am very fiscally conservative. As far as the crap with the nationalizing private companies I.E. Intel, Nippon Steel, etc... those things are borderline socialist...

So, my objection to Trump is that he is not far enough right for me.... which I think is the opposite of your objections over him.

I have a buddy that’s a lawyer he’s always being a lawyer in everything he does and says, he just can’t help it it’s the game he plays. Don’t forget a lawyer picks the side of who hires him that’s all that matters so right, wrong the truth are the victims at any cost lawyers talking integrity makes me laugh.

Intelligent guy with zero common sense during the whole Lawfare ordeal he did not see issues with the lack of judicial procedures the way things were being done he just ignored the issues. He talks a good game he’s even smug about it but is clueless it’s really sad.

March. Intent doesn't matter perception of crowd size does. Why else would we have paid protesters.

Good point. My only contention with your statement is the phrase, "condoning violence".
It is much worse than that.
The Democrats in Congress, former Democrat Presidents and their behind the scene henchmen, the Media and Universities are purposefully creating this climate in order to trigger weak-minded individuals it snap and destroy property and kill people.
What is the evidence of this?
MSNBC had a commentator claim that Charlie Kirk was a hate monger, which is suggesting that he had it coming. He did this before Kirk's body turned cold. These people causing this are evil.
I don't care what becomes of the shooter.
I care what becomes of the aforementioned individuals who are prompting crazy people to kill.

FBI released these photos of the alleged shooter...

Lol didn’t your handle use to say “Ultra MAGA”

Looks like a phone in the right side pocket. Probably tracking his movements as we type.

....aw i see where your coming from good point! but we are talking 1 person going not going to notice the differant in crowd size. intent does matter do you think kirk killer went there to debate?

agreed my point also

LOL yep. But people can change their opinions too. I really liked most of what he did his first term in office, but this time he's getting a bit carried away.

Of course we are, both attacks by leftists or leftist associates. We include them in the long train of abuses in spite of your cherry picking.

Guys this ain't about Trump.

This is about right and wrong. Trump just happens to be the guy defending right and willing to exercise the full constitutional power of the executive branch to do so. Is every move he's made the correct one? Only time will tell and we don't have like it or agree with it.

What is a known and demonstrated fact, though some would say there is nothing to see here or nlow it off as whackjob conspiracy, is a long train of abuses by an organized faction set out to destroy the very fabric of the republic. And at this late date they have buried themselves so deep within the structure of the republic and further brainwormed their insidous ideas into large portions of the electorate that the normal functions of republic can rid itselef of the poison. Hence drastic action is required and only a full restoration and use of executive branch authority guarded by the constitutional powers of the other two branches can hope to get it done.

In other words you want a king. I don't unless you can guarantee that elections won't sway power

Do you think the shooter will be taken alive? I believe he will be killed on sight to tie up any loose ends like the shooter who took the shots at Thump. Dead men tell no tales.

Saw they found the bolt action rifle.


Wonder how mad the media is that it wasn’t a semi automatic rifle?

I absolutely do not. The office comes with it's own limitations, it is hard wire written into the Constitution.

However, in actual execuctive power though the article 2 president as defined within the Constitution does indeed have more executive power than the current, and past few centuries worth of, british monarch. We are a Constitutional Republic not a Parliamentary Monarchy and the legislative has but one direct check over the executive, impeachment, and one advisory and consenting power, appointment of officers and judges. The legislative cannot dictate how the executive exercises his/her authority or that of executive branch employees. However, we currently have legislative, or more correctly political party hedgemony, over the actions of executive branch employees.
The same applies to the judicial branch with judges having only the authority to determine whether an act complies with Constitutional authority and zero power to enforce said decisions. We now have a judiciary coopted by partisan ideology exefcising authority they do not Constitutionally have to the detriment of the executive.

If and when the dam breaks and lines are clearly drawn it will be a different story for the silent majority, it will be interesting to see what happens when communism fails or succeeds either way something is going to give.

To avoid unneeded violence a separation of states might take place but that’s all hypothetical and might be the same old crap just different bosses.

Charlie wasn't wearing a vest. Watch the full video, particularly the time that he tosses maga caps into the crowd. He was wearing a white t-shirt and at various times you can see his shoulder blades and pectorals at various points.

The whole vest thing is part of a bigger conspiracy claim put out by the left claiming richochet or spalling from a botched false flag pulled off by the right or even Charlie himself.

Might not be the first time he wore that shirt or he purchased it for the occasion either way it might help with identifying him not a smart move.

If we defeat the left we will avoid the French Revolution but I'm afraid it will be more like the Russian Revolution.

Look at a deer shot in slow motion lots of tissue movement energy displacement. Did not see the video in all fairness I have enough bad things in my head already just my thought on the discrimination given.

look up skye valadez

You don't want to see it. It's awful. Yes, you can see the energy displacement, and there was no ricochet.

leftism is inherently violent . . look throughout history - leftism, marxism, communism, socialism, (whatever you want to call it) in China, Russia, Germany, etc. has never been trumped peacefully

All the talk about who's a liberal and who's conservative on here, I'm likely one of the furtherest right members on the site but I've been accused of being a Democrat or liberal many a time, sometimes for things as stupid as not supporting Ukraine.

I just call that having a brain. I ain't ever lost nothing in Ukraine.

Well I didn't even know there was a theory going around. It was just my personal observation off of one few 2nd clip frome a different angle than I had seen before. Not everything is a conspiracy. Untill I see anything different or explanes his shirt move and what looked like fluff about the same time he grimaced and what looked like the outline of plates then the hole in his neck appears after I will hold to my Theory.

Liberal and MAGA are used to define the line often feel free to correct others if they get its wrong but if a walks and quacks like a duck people think it’s a duck. My one buddy spews all of the MSDNC/ CNN daily narratives but swears he’s a big time conservative he thinks Liz Cheney is the only conservative remaining, he votes for his dog for President.

He hates Trump no matter how bizarre he acts he can’t go a day without finding any negative in the media to fill his hate no matter how ridiculous the story is. He thinks he’s a conservative I can’t take him seriously it’s crazy it’s been pointed out to him but he starts up again and again.

Shooter kinda looks feminine, could be a tranny.

Message from his organization, Turning Point.

The picture is so blurry but it looks like the suspect could be female.

Saw this. Not sure if it’s accurate.

Idk

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2025/09/breaking-social-media-users-believe-they-may-have/

I agree with ADC. I didn't want to be the one to break the news but that is how I intrepret that female like physique. Suspected tranny or female wanna be.

Well it's been reported there was trans inscriptions on the unspent ammo

I have head they inscriptions on ammo was false. No idea if it is false or true.

Should be captured and tortured.

I know it was posted by the Wall Street Journal.....

Biggest problem will be defining and knowing who the enemy is we are fighting.

In other words, who do I shoot?

New video of suspected shooter walking down neighborhood street (before the shooting). He has a pronounced limp.....rifle in right pants leg...possibly...

Good Lord, you got real issues buddy!

Liberals aren’t very good at being incognito.

Just say “Trump!” and look for the guy turning red or crying.

Yep...That's a scope in his right pocket...barrel down the pant leg.
edited to add: but a Mauser?

Charlie was physically assaulted pretty frequently, early in his career. Later on they got much better at keeping physical barriers between him and the rabid liberals. They also had security just off camera.

Keith

I think it’s likely the 06’ Mauser they found was not the gun used.

Bingo...

https://youtu.be/y6zPjo5Vogc?si=DMcyOL4POZYMt1Sp


Sure looks like my deflection off armor assumption was correct

Please explain to me how a person can become anointed KIng under our Constitution? And don't go and disappear on me. This is a serious question which needs an answer from anyone who puts forth this kind of statement.

Libtardism = Destruction of American values ......enemy # 1


Fence riders are confused chameleons.....can't be trusted


Choose your side wisely.....and protect it .



Remember , every one of these shooters has millions of supporters

A person can't be announced king under our constitution..

Give an individual enough power and he or she could be like one even if only for 8 years .

Elections happen and power shifts as a result of them

Let's all apologize to Providence Farm for getting way off message from HIS post. I don't think Charlie had a vest on. ......Ok, off post. I bet the FBI knows who they are looking for exactly! TOOOOOO.... Many cameras everywhere now. Facial recognition.....I just hope the coward doesn't off himself before being caught. That's a dude and not a female in the pics...The best thing everyone can do, is pray for Charlie's family. He is/was a great man.

Yes, on topic.


No vest. No plates. Turbulence from round and impact would have caused shirt to move.

Corotid artery was destroyed, there is almost zero chance of survival from that.

He was gone almost instantly.

My opinion of course.


I will add off topic, the shot sounded suppressed to me. Could have been the angle and distance from camera audio.

Also, my opinion.

I doubt it.

Even the thinnest most expensive ballistic plates that will stop high velocity rifle rounds aren’t concealable under a simple cotton t-shirt.

Heck, even soft plates designed for concealment are tough to conceal under just a t-shirt.

There’s to much video of him moving around interacting with the crowd beforehand. It would have been clearly noticeable.

Unless he snuck off and put one on before sitting down (not likely).