Youngest went to the local highschool foot ball game to hang out with friends last night. He is 13 and we tell him not to leave the ball field.

Over the summer there have been issues with a black/mixed 15 year old kid and his crew of followers 2 to 4of them. Making threats. This kid is a local problem. Cussing and acting a fool at the local park and geting in parents faces when they say something to him becuse they are there with their small kids. He is always fighting everyone and always wins so the local tough guy bullying jack leg. I heard he is in foster care and heard the local cops even tell my boys after they had just been threatened by him to lay him out and they would look the other way BUT dont do it on school property because then they can't look the other way. The wife was told by the cops basically their hands are tied but the kid is a huge problem.

So back to last night's game. My son saw this kid throw his cheese burger at the old lady volunteer in the concession booth hiting her with it becuse he said his order was not right. Then walk over and hit a girl in the head. My boy jumped in said thats enough. Got the what are you going to do about it thing. Well they went across the street. The bully found out he was not as bad as he thought he was. Tried a sucker punch that was deflected connecting with my son's collar bone on. the right side. that got a right to the mouth that staggered and droped the bully instant response. My son thought well its over but the kid got up staggered then rushed for a tackle that got side stepped and the bully getting control ogf the bullys head and his face getting 3 upper cuts to his eye and orbital bone area while he was bent over at the wast ending the fight. Now my son made a few mistakes in the fight backing off the kid twice instead of pushing his advantage and finishing it immediately untill there was no chance the bully would want/ be able to continue and not let the bully recover and come at him again.

As with everything theas days apparently it was caught in video, I have not seen or found yet. But my son has gotten several messages from girls saying they saw the video and "omg how did he beat that guys ### Like that no one ever beats him". This concerns me even more now the kid has lost his im the bad boy toughest guy around image and want to retaliate and thing escalating to maybe knife or club.

On one hand im proud of my boy for standing up for what's right and the bully needed taught a lesson. On the other I told him not to leave the ball field and he could have got the cop that is always at school events. ( the rational today's answer) So im a bit conflicted. My pride in him really make me not able to be mad at him but also he did disobey the rules leaving the ball field. But the bully did need the lesson. ( to bad it won't stick) And like my mom said you can't get mad at him he he is a carbon copy of you and reminded of times I did very similar things taking up for weaker kids all through school and she had to come to school over. She is correct as moms typically are.

Tonight there is a festival in town the boys want to go to tonight. Part of me wants to tell them nope don't want any potential problems the other part is they will be fine and let have fun. I think let them have fun part will win out.

Anyway Typing this out clears my head a little.
What's the vote let them go or keep them home. The youngest went alone last night the oldest said he didn't want to go to avoid a few girls that have not been leaving him alone he has blocked and didn't want to deal with them. So it wouldn't be fare to tell him no he didn't disobey and leave the ball field. on the outh hand I dont want them alone without back up.

Good he dealt with the kid, I wouldn't get too upset him leaving the school, cops told him not on school property so....

But.... he needs to watch his back, doubt it's over, back up is necessary....3, 4 on 1 is bad odds ...

He needs a tough guy image. Tell him to grease his hair, wear a leather jacket and chain smoke unfiltered Camels.

…. Sounds like a hate crime lol

Myself personally IF it were my boy. Ive told him only fight if it can't be avoided no preplanning to go somewhere to fight. If it isnt urgent enough to fight "onsite" then there is time for other plans that dont then escalate to knives or clubs as you say. You said there was a school cop and plenty of adults around. Not a good idea to leave a crowd and possibly have this seemingly out of control teen not stop if he had the upper hand. Just lots can go wrong from a "normal" fist fight.

Now if he came at my boy aggressively at the game then that seems like an "on site" situation

Do they sell unfiltered camels? I had an uncle that was a truck driver. Stole a pack of unfiltered pal mals from him when I was around 10. That nipped my smoking habit before it ever began

Set up a pay per view fight to the death cage match.

He stepped up to a known troublemaker I’d buy the kid a shake if I was on duty. He did right finishing the guy right off could go bad in many ways the kept going after your boy puts your boy in a better position.

That's why we have so much bulling going on today IMO. Not letting your child stand up to them makes them a target. Always told my kids not to start it but don't back down if you think your in the right or defending the weaker.

Bullies will continue to bully if not stood up to.

Heck teachers ignore it to avoid the conflict it’s been going on forever.

Absolutely. Had this happen in grade school 30 years ago. Had a group circle me on the play ground and took turn pushing me around from behind teacher standing back smiling and laughing.. BUT as soon as I droped the first one and moved to the next closest down with leg sweep, and then to the 3rd she had me by the arm on the way to the office I went. I was in trouble untill mom got there. By the Time we left the teacher was in tears begging not to be fired. You don't mess around with moms cubs
But when she heard the teacher was watching me get pushed around and smiling and laughing and did nothing that was it look out. I have a darn good mom.

But today there is zero tolerance even for defending yourself. Making for a country of jellyfish weak men.

So I thing im going to let them go to the festival tonight.

I'd be more concerned about retaliation from the kid he put down, in a less common area where your boy gets trapped with this kids friends as well, bullies like this always try a second time to make them get back on top and unfortunately they never fight fair and might have a weapon this time !

Your son should travel with friends for a while and not be aggressive in any manner to any one, also should be very wary of others watching him from distances.

Tough times when you are the one to finally drop a loud mouth who, doesn't have to worry about any consequences from authorities or parents, this just gives the bad guy mostly free rein to make things equal in his mind, they don't have a time line either could be any time, could be way latter !

Think composite toed shoes best undetectable protection you can have they come in a verity of shoe types it’s a quick way to disable a threat giving you enough time to get control of a situation or away from one. I favor composite over steel toe shoes that can carry negative view in some courts and show up on metal detectors.

Composite allows for an efficient shin strike temporarily crippling your opponent/opponent’s while protecting your toes better than regular shoes. The toes have more protection in a foot stomp attempt also. All of my work and casual shoes have protective toes.

Check some police suppliers if you have trouble finding that type of shoes. LAPG has some great prices.

Let him go...

Let him go, just tell him to watch his back. Can't live sitting at home especially at 13. You should be proud that he attempted to turn the other cheek in not finishing it from the get go but equally as proud that he finished after having no other choice.

Tell him to go and have fun. Tell him you're PROUD of how he handled the situation. That there WAS justification in him leaving school grounds to handle it like a man. Take a buddy and watch yourself. Talk to some of those new chicks that were also proud of his handling of the school idiot.

You're both good parents and have him on the right track, well done PF family

The boys are getting ready now. Im going to drop them off then wife and I go back and watch the drone show later and bring them home. May take my wife out to eat in-between if I can convince her she does not need to cook dinner but she will want something here ready for our daughter when she gets home from work and we won't be back befor she is in bed so bringing something back won't work. The boy will/can eat at the festival. We will see. Woman thinks the world will end if she is not cooking our meals. Its part of her identity. Im quite blessed.

Probably go squirrel hunting/deer scouting for youth season and do some shooting of deer guns tomorrow. Will try out that new suppressor and check point of impact change.

Its so nice to be off work and home for 6 days. Hopefully the kids have fun and no more issues.

I thought 2 or 3 weeks ago they were in trouble and you weren't going to let them hunt in youth season.

…. Well someone had to take out cornpop…. He was gettin out of hand lol

He should Chuck Norris style roundhouse kick anyone who gets within range. Pretty soon no one will mess with him.

…. The festival tonight going to be like…

…. When I was in grade school I kicked a bullies neck off

… then my momma came up there and did a stone cold stunner on the principal and immediately started chugging beer

I agree with all you said. I lived by you've got stand for something or you fall for anything. He stood for what's right. That you should be proud of. Never started a fight but always finished them. Never give them a second chance. Fear today is people go for guns. After a fight we never went out alone either.

I always taught my son that the first hit will set the stage for the fight, so hit 'em as hard as you can.

Moosetrot

I think I'd have waited for the video to surface before speaking about it...

That was what I remember reading as well. I'd like to know what changed? An arse whooping by Dad or ??

Hope the kids don't have further issues. Do you live in a ghetto area?

My ol man always told me hit them as hard as you can and usually they won’t want anymore. I was having problems with a guy I went to school with once. I finally had enough and nailed him. He decided then on he didn’t want to fight me anymore and heck we are still best friends to this day probably 23 years later. Im glad your son did what was right and teach the bully a lesson. Even bullies need to realize there is always someone badder out there.

Post the video.

Don’t tell me you’re all starting to see thru this??

… I believe everything he posts….he’s rougher than devil ans Hatfield

Nothing as cool as reading about how tough people are on the internet. And what in the heck is the composite toed boot comment about???

…. A man would be better off trying to milk a maned lion with a handful of cockleburrs than to mess with that crew

I dont know how I'll sleep I'm so shaken with the violence

…. Ain’t nothing like kicking downed opponents with composite toed boots…. Up the odds to score a brain hemorrhage

… got to teach you everything lol

Word comprehension problem most likely.

… right now at the festival …and in the left corner…. Fighting out of Providence Farms !!!!!

Blah blah blah

…. Ol boy liable to lace up them composites and give you the ol what for yessir

… you best check your tone

I did get kicked in the shin once in third grade by a girl I wouldn't set by at lunch. It did hurt but she did kiss me behind the gymnasium a week later after the Christmas program so at the time I thought it was worth it...

…. All’s well that ends well I guess

… just be careful in here … roughest bunch since the james younger gang

But with this bunch I better be clear, ain't no way I'm letting Mr Law Dog lay one on me behind the gym

….. I ain’t going to be the one that says he’s above trying it … just tread lightly if you can

… this bunch in here rougher than Sylvester Stallone in the last Rambo movie

Im going to remove my town from my profile just to b on the safe side

Dinner out with the wife and the drone show were nice. Both boys had girls on their arm when we got back to the festival. The one with the 15 year old pointed her mom out and told my wife and took her over and introduced them. Seems like a very nice young lady and one I kind of hope he takes a serious interest in. She didn't seem like the typical Inmature been getting around girls They have been dating.

The bully was there but went the opposite direction when he saw my youngest untill later when he had 2 friends to back him up. The youngest was avoiding the taunting then he said ok handed his hat to the girl he was with and started forward and they backed out just kidding just kidding. He and the girl both thought that was odd. Later the girl with my 15 year old told them he did knock one of the kids teeth out yesterday according to her friend but who knows? My son didn't get close enough to see in the dark.


And Im still not taking then hunting Indiana youth standing by what I said. BUT my wife caved and said she would will take them. She is soft and gives in. She let them have their phone back as well after they straightened up for a few weeks. I wouldn't have done that yet either. But the behavior issues do seem to have corrected themselves. So maybe she is correct in giving in? She didn't say she was not going to take them or they could not go so I guess she is not giving in. I told them i was not going to take them not they could not go. Minor detail but important. Because I have a rule I have to do what I said I was going to and not back off even if I want to. And I do want them to be able to go. but if i back down and take them The kids won't believe im serious next time. At this point they dont need me to hunt, gut, drag, load, skin, or quarter and get deer in the cooler. Just need transportation to the woods.

My wife was telling me how much better and more helpful they have been maybe you should go ahead and take them. I told her as much as I would like to I can't because I said I was not going to. She said I guess I can take them since they can handle everything to and after the kill ? I confirmed they can handle everything and told her its up to her if she takes them but im not. That I can't because I said I was not going to.

But I can take them squirrel hunting in the same area and they can scout it at the same time, and I can go out back to our range and check zero on their guns with them and play with the newest silencer. I didn't say I was not going to do that or they could not. Maybe a loop hole but ita waht im running with.

I read most of the stories on this site anymore like an episode of gunsmoke or days of lives

I think they made both of those after PF boys

…. Them boys sass mouth yall or what ? … I missed that one

Savell They got smart with their mom when I was away at work a few weeks maybe a month back yes. Made it clear thats not acceptable. Seemed to have achieved the desired behavior modification. Wife is ready to relax the punishments. Im inclined to agree BUT must stick to what I said. And specifically one thing I said I was not taking them on the youth hunt end of September. When I was mad.

What i really want to know is why little chuck norris isnt on the field replaying lyle alzados old memories

All i can say is come down and ask him.

…. You overplayed your hand on that one … should have just made them do a little work around the house and moved on

… now they stealing everyone’s woman and knocking folks teeth out in retaliation

Ill just come out and say it. You are one of the best story tellers ive ever seen. Louis lamoire has nothing on you

…. There’s some money on the table and a pistol on the floor…. A few Paper back books of Louis L’amour lol

Certain as the eastern sky showing the sunrise, when the old lady comes home with another dog its name is going to be providence farm.

Well Billy I suspect if you did ask him he is pretty humble and would just tell you he is not that tough just happen to be better than the other guy that night. Comes from spending some time at a local boxing gym and wrestling. That boxing gym has 6 golden glove kids so he is no stranger to having his head get thumped being a new kid with no skills when he started. And with wrestling one week he would win against a guy and the next get beat by the same guy. Im sorry your life is so boring and uneventful my simple life is unbelievable to you. My friend at work from Iowa did say there was not much to do up there but get drunk and chase girls.

I think my real name Matt may be better for your dog. Much easier to holler having less syllables. Or Matthew if you want to sound nicer

… one things for sure…..Matt or otherwise… it’s gonna be the richest and toughest in the county lol

Nope never the best or brightest but always just good enough. And some how things tend to work out.

… don’t go on and get humble on us now … own it

… head on up and shoulders back

I guess big jake had it right all along. Ill call it dog just like the rest of them

Post the video.

If a kick in the shin earned you a kiss, I wonder what a kick to the nards would have gotten you? Guess we'll never know.

I'll call our next dog "Somerset Frisby" in your honor.

I truly question your ability to actually be a lawyer.. Go back up and read my post very slowly. I used simple terms so you should not need and dictionary to under stand them.

You will see I don't and have not seen the video. Last night I asked some kids thet had and was told the kid that took it showed it to them but wouldn't send it to them. So I have not been able to get it or see it.

and why post it?

Had nothing to do with the video other than it had been geting shown around And believeed it. I made the assumption at the time of posting it was being sent around by the kids ( Mostly girls) or posted somewhere. Going by all the txt and calls my son got thet referenced seeing a video thet was taken of it. I was hoping to see it ut have not been able to since its not been posted or sent just shown in person. Kid that took it is a friend of the bully.

Providence, ignore the ones trying to incite you. My only question which I am assuming now is all went well last night and no follow up conflict at this point?
It is to bad we used to settle most of our guy disputes with a quick fight and it was over.

Yes, everything went well except hearing the kid lost a tooth out of it. That was not a good thing at all if true. But that was 2nd hand coming from a 16 year old girl that was interested in my older son. She seemed like a good holsum young lady. Really surprised me when she took my wife over and introduced her to her mom.

Turned out to be a great evening. Zero issues from the bully and hopefully won't be now, Great date with my wife at a new place i had not eaten at before. And maybe one of the boys has a girl I might approve of finally. If he doesn't get shallow and let her speech impediment be an issue for him.

Ignore the haters and pot stirring guys they must have nothing better to do it sounds like nobody treats a trapper worse than another trapper often. Don’t post any videos I doubt that same advice would be given to a client it’s not advice to help you just more criticism will come from it. You notice the more info given out the more thst gets thrown back at you. Ignore them!

LOL

BC...go pet you puppy...

Yes, everything went well except hearing the kid lost a tooth out of it. That was not a good thing at all if true. But that was 2nd hand coming from a 16 year old girl that was interested in my older son. She seemed like a good holsum young lady. Really surprised me when she took my wife over and introduced her to her mom.

Turned out to be a great evening. Zero issues from the bully and hopefully won't be now, Great date with my wife at a new place i had not eaten at before. And maybe one of the boys has a girl I might approve of finally. If he doesn't get shallow and let her speech impediment be an issue for him. [/quote]

Just sitting here wondering what a holsum lady is.... and if she/it was interested in your son maybe I wouldn't brag about it lol

Just sitting here wondering what a holsum lady is.... and if she/it was interested in your son maybe I wouldn't brag about it lol[/quote]


My misspelling is part of my trade mark. You know what I was implying;). That young lady was polite a touch shy and what I gathered from my wife and the moms talking Had a grand total of one boyfriend so not dated much. Attend church regularly. A huge improvement over the typical girls the boys come across. I expect she will make some lucky man a wonderful wife someday something I seldom think when I meet them. Young lady has been raised well. More typical of homeschool kids as well as kids with involved parrents in my experience.

Be nice to hear the other side/sides of the story. lol

…. The other side of the story is that the tooth fairy visited cornpop the other night!

… and unless you want a visit of your own I advise you to shut your mouth!

You already got a very detailed play by play from someone who wasn't there. I guess recounted by children.

I've watched hundreds of youth wrestling and judo matches. I need to see it to tell the story.

Not hacking on your kids PF but this entire thread is odd.

…. Spoken like a man that hasn’t felt the impact of a good pair of composite toed boots

…. You best watch it around here !

I made that post knowing the risks. Although, I'll admit I have no clue what a composite toed boot is. This is Oklahoma--we're a few decades behind in everything.

I recently stopped wearing my parachute pants.

…. Tooth fairy going to be busy in Oklahoma I imagine

Odd indeed

PF … ground him from deer season

… he’s been sass mouthin way too much

Nope from me taking them to hunt youth season. You were correct stating I over steped on that one since the behavior has been corrected and I want to take them. Loop hole is the wife can transport them.

…. I’m talking about yessir… he needs to be grounded from the entire deer season

…. Nothin but pure sass coming out of him

Yep, recounted by my son and also his friend that was there with him and less detail but also similar recount from a girl that saw the video That lives close to the guy that took it. So im going to run with it unless I hear different. I think that is the same girl that told my older son the boy is missing both top front teeth this morning. But I dont know all the kids names to keep them strait. I hope not But again who knows?

I am glad I put my hip boots on before reading this thread...

I will not choose between PF and BC, lol.

…. I hope you ain’t too attached to bc cause he done went and crossed the pf gang

… that right there is hazardous for a man’s health

I spent the afternoon working on my will.

If i repent from the errors of my ways and start walking the straight and narrow is there a chance u will take me out for the late doe season

… muzzle loader only and you can’t wear shoes

Never shot a muzzy but I'd be up to trying..... little worried about what it is u dont want me to be running from though

…. The pf gang reak havoc barefoot

Are you trying to say the PF Gang's feet reek or that they wreak havoc barefoot? They could possibly have reeking feet and wreak havoc barefoot, though when I met them their hygiene seemed perfectly fine. They were definitely fit enough to wreak havoc. Both of Matt's sons are sort of wedge shaped, from the shoulders down and physically fit.

Keith

Apparently PF's spelling is wearing off on Savell, LOL.

… I’m spelling incorrectly just to fit in with that bunch … cause I don’t want that kind of trouble

My cousin Savell sort of combined the two homonyms.

Keith

Matt speaks much better than he types.

Keith

… we only eat homonym on thanksgiving around here

…. Well take him out to a walk on the beach already… rub your calloused hands together or what have you lol

…. Maybe play a round of grab butt… just keep it friendly

Did Keith just call you a homo?

…. I’m not sure what exactly is going on at this point

No, but cousin Savell apparently eats them at Thanksgiving or is thankful for them. It's hard to tell with cousin Savell sometimes.

Keith

…. Take it slow with pf… he ain’t been around

This is better than reading the funny paper

You ever read a post on here and, just momentarily, wish that you were blind so you hadn't had to see it?

Didn't Smash have a song about this?

Probably.

Keith

… on a more serious note…. Be careful getting too close to that bunch Kieth… they’re known to have violent tendencies and a line of women at the door

… at your age … I don’t think you’re fit to handle all that

Love,

Savell

…. Watch it partner…. This is serious business in here

Thanks I apologize. I'll mind my manners. No more sassy mouth from me. I want to go deer hunting

….. carry on