Prez cutting more gub mint waste




10, 000 or so



Winning

the bloat needs cut but all the cuts will be a big blow to the economy and gdp.

I think the courts stopped it, bud.

A cost that must be paid for downsizing .gov.

Clinton appointed federal judge stopped the order


https://federalnewsnetwork.com/government-shutdown/2025/10/court-blocks-trump-administrations-latest-mass-layoffs-for-federal-employees/#:~:text=%E2%80%9CI%20think%20it'll%20get,in%20shutting%20down%20the%20bureaucracy.%E2%80%9D

4000 already chopped ......they will try though ....

John Roberts sure opened up legislating from the bench with his legislating to uphold Obamacare.

There's over 3 million civilian workers for the government. I would guess less than half of them do anything truly useful for the American tax payer. I would guess many of them are a hindrance to the American tax payer.

Keith

Should all the non-essential workers during the shutdown be furloughed:)?

Yes

it'll be no blow to the economy or gdp.

I'd bet that we could fire 1/2 of the fed. workforce and 99.9% of the people would never notice. Just think of the money saved when these employees aren't spending tax payers money on stuff like $419,470 spent to study if lonely rats are more likely to seek cocaine

If these employees are "non-essential" then why are they even there in the first place?

fire them, by definition they are not "essential".

Your interpretation of “non-essential” is misguided.

Deep State: "remember that party when you were in college? No? well, WE do. and we have pictures."

There are a list of 8 rules at the top of every trapperman forum page.

Only one is in ALL CAPS, but it's also the only one we ignore.

Short term it will reduce spending/gdp and that will slow the economy. Whe. the big employer in town cuts jobs Its hard on the small town economy. Same thing the government is the US largest spender driving gdp. Its not sustainable With out debt but will most definitely have a negative short term effect on the economy.

It might have an effect if enough jobs were actually eliminated, but that ain't going to happen.

My fear is that they are going to cut people who are actually valuable and leave people who aren’t. As a federal employee, I say nearly daily we could do the same work with half the people. In fact, there are supervisors saying that we absolutely should not do the work of people who are on furlough (even though it would be easy to do) because then the position will be viewed as not needed. The problem I see is going to be when they cut jobs to people like me who are willing to do several people’s jobs and not cut the people who barely do their own job. The funny thing is, I am considered essential, but everything in the government is so siloed that my entire team that I need to be able to do anything is furloughed.

Government workers don't produce anything so I don't see an impact on the GDP. It will affect the employment numbers and those furloughed folks will have to find real jobs.

Fasinating how easy the various non-essential is looked at as non-important. Non important to some peoples lives and how impacting they are to others. I am every bit in favor of shrinking govt and controlling costs. I did that for over 35 years as a buisiness owner and now as an employee to another construction company. My concern is the manor of which these head count reductions are conducted without a plan in place. Ya, its easy to say wipe out 1000 or 10,000 jobs and recognize the cost savings in the initial moment. But look at just one department and what that impact is. Local farm office was slashed this last spring in the early wave of head chopping. They review and varify compliance for erosion plans, fertilizers, crop rotations, and more. Farmers had all their documents in place and by April/May planting everything went smoothe. Additionlly, everything they needed for crop insurance was complete and applied for as planting was complete. This year, at this time - mid October, as harvest is upon us there are still farmers that don't have all their farmland plans even approved and complete.
Why?? Because some jack-wad swung an ax without a plan. Reducing a staffed office from 6 down to 2 doesn't work when 90% of the work that needs to be done in a couple month period of time. An intelligent leader would have departments prepared. Bring on part-time employees to cover bubbles.

I'm not saying don't cut waste, I believe a great leader identifies issues and has the right people in place to resolve them before they have a negative impact. Streamlining processes with minimizing risks is the way to reduce cost for the long term. Unfortunately we have had too many criminals at the helm of this government including the current POS.

I think they're trying to do the opposite. Fire all and then rehire the good. The only way to prevent discrimination lawsuits.

Ol dad

That's simply not true of all government workers.

My crp paper work didn't get processed, usda offices are laid off and they owe me $12,000. That's a bit annoying

Mass firing? LOL
10,000 firings out of 3 MILLION employees is less than 3/10 of one percent. For perspective, over 100,000 federal employees retire every year. Hardly an end of the world scenario.

This. DOGE didn’t do crap and neither will this.

Question ? 1
Why is there no one being jailed or in court for fraud? We heard DOGE had thousands drawing SS that shouldn't have been. Fraud was rampant and people were let go.. Why is no one being charged? Or Jailed??
Where is the savings if those payments stopped?

Question? 2

Why do tax payers have no say in any form about use of tariff income? Who is keeping records of the amount from tariffs? Is it just in some slush fund no over site? Why can the administration decide it should subsidie farmers? Or now pay who they deem essential? Where is the accounting for this.
Seriously someone explain this to me.

Mac

You already know Mark. A different bunch of political hacks get to line their pockets

Agree on DOGE. Another scam.

Also agree that some government workers do work and are necessary. We certainly can and should cut a lot of dead weight. But the irony of some of the Tman bums having an opinion on who doesn't work hard enough is not lost.

How about a country where you didnt need to have a plan submitted to farm successfully? Why do farmers need to be subsidized? We dont need all the regulations.

The Doge impoundments are complicated. The tariffs are being given to the treasury like the previous tariffs and spent by congress.

Different bunch thieves Different shell game.

Not what Trumps been saying. Said going to take care of farmers and pay essential with their tariff money.

Mac

Well, if Trump said it?

150,000 took the buyout, that's over 5% of govt employees. Good start 8 months in but not as good as some perfect people expect, lol.

https://www.npr.org/2025/09/30/nx-s1-5545715/federal-employees-fork-deferred-resignation-trump

When they dont have a pay check they are not spending money. Spending drives the economy. Its pretty basic economics.

Less new refrigerators get sold since fewer people have disposable income so factory making them cuts back maybe lays off. Now more people have less money and cut back.

If its all at once can lead to recession. Incremental it would have Less impact all at once it would be beneficial if the government would actually cut the spending instead of move the money somewhere else and increase spending along with it.


Spending needs cut debt needs eliminated. But its a balancing act to do so and not crash the economy.

Agree, we don't nedd ALL the regulations, but some are critical for saving our habitat. Don't need as much erosion controll in flat land, but here In Richland, Sauk, Grant.....its pretty dang important.

where you didnt need to have a plan submitted to farm successfully we wouldn't if ALL farmers cared and used best practices. But like every industry, you have great, good, lazy, dumb, and so on. I don't want to be drawing my water from an auquifer that is contaminated ffrom over use of fertilizer, menure run off from huge comercial farms.

Stop and think about why we have all the laws and regulations we have today - all because of what someone has done. Does a law or regulation need to be made for every little thing, NO. That part got out of hand. But we need to protect our resources and we need agencies making sure people are doing things right. So lets have a plan to get the job dome correctly without adding debt like FDR, Wilson, Bush, and Oboma did.

The courts can't really stop any of the firings. Each organization has a personnel requirements document. The organization receives money based on number and rank of personnel. If those positions are eliminated from that document there is no money to pay the eliminated positions. Yes civilians have a rank too.

Simplest way is a hiring freeze, let the employees retire and not replace them, and offer a buyout, cheaper to pay them off then pay them over time, next, cut every agency 10,15%...let the dept heads figure out how to live within their new budget, layoffs, no overtime unless an emergency, no wasteful spending just because they have money left at the end of the year, whatever...

Local township did this and cut a huge amount off the annual budget and very few people got hurt, they cut the budget 3 years in a row . All the work got done

Without ag subsidies our nations small scale family farms would cease to exist and replaced by Bill Gates and other billionaires who want to control the food supply.

Don’t blame the runaway debt on federal employees. They are occupying jobs that were only made possible due to congressional appropriations. Upset at the budget? Blame your congressmen and women.

Best way to fix government waste? Let’s fix the contracting system and put a stop to the shell companies that overcharge for their “services” because the broken system enables them to.

There are ways to go about this over than simply slashing away at the average American public servants- many of which make meager salaries at best.

support another country that is sellin soy beans to China and then subsidise our farmers does nnot make sense to me . What happened to America first?

How low are we planning to go? The Total number of Federal employees has been about the same since 1968. Cut the payroll by 50 percent and it will have little effect on the deficit. Might reduce the deficit by 2 percent?

50% would be a reach,, but a buck here and a buck there is 2 bucks... gotta start somewhere

If they get rid of half of the DC workforce, Virginia may become a red state overnight. They will move back home where they came from. The vast majority of them are Democrats.