Sounds good with the bravado in theory. Untill you have people you know of that get in trouble because the girl thay picked up at the bar was under age and got in the bar with fake ID.

That 15 year old today may have had more partner than you have and more than willing knowing what's going on. The 8 year old had no clue. There is a huge difference between the two. Not long ago marriage at 14 and 15 was common. 8 not unless you are Muslim .

I dont agree with either but lumping a willing participant in as rape becuse of under 18 is very different than forced rape at any age but especially child rape.

Sounds like the girl were basically under age prostitutes that went to the island from the limited stuff I saw. They wrre compensated with trips shopping and cash. That's is a far cry from child rape.

It would be nice to know all the prople going to say the Philippines and other countries doing the same thing with children forced to be there. Heck i read some things talking about it being done hear in the US. catch them all and Run them through the chipper feet first. Stopping for a few minutes every few inches.

But it will never happen this is a distraction to be used as a hit piece and political divide. Few really care it has no direct effect on them. Only care for social validation and if it makes their team look good in their mind. As with just about every form of outrage head line the last how many years now?

As far as I know, only one girl has named names. Why is that? Some keep talking about the mountains of evidence. So what exactly is it? I'm on board with killing all child predators, but is a name on a flight manifest evidence of child molestation?

My point exactly.

These victims they were parading around never named a name other than Epstein's when the microphone was right in front of them. why's that?

I guess if they like it then its alright? At least it sounds like the pedophile and pervert are hoping the average person is liberal enough with their morals to believe that.

Not all men believe one will be rewarded with 72 virgins in heaven, but some are willing to die believing that! I guess a perverted belief that "whats bound on earth is bound in heaven" makes sense, until its reversed to what is "bound in heaven is bound on earth" and heaven is where the judgement and silence is just starting.

I'm sure some of these underage girls were willing and knew exactly what they were doing. But what about those who were groomed, scared, and manipulated into it? I'd bet epstien made big promises (modeling, etc) to these girls with no intent to carry through with them. Guys who have intercourse with girls under the age of consent, even if the girl is 100% aware of what they are doing, is still against the law.

Trump put out a big fat lie on Truth Social last night saying he instructed congress to vote for the bill and that is why it passed. The reality is, it was going to pass without his approval. He was outplayed by Thomas Massie. Trump didn't want the appearance of losing control of the republican party so he flipped his position to a yes vote. I think most people, both those for trump and against him, can see through that.

Other than that, I like most of his other policies he's currently putting forward, with the exception of the 50 year mortgages, which is financial suicide for most and will crush the RE markets.

ol' dad

I saw a presser yesterday where one of the victims (with more gathered around her) gave a statement saying that they were going to release there own list.

Good. Maybe some of these pervs will actually face consequences.

We can all hope trapdog but I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.

These weren't 18 year olds having sex with their 15 year old girlfriends that they were in love with.

These were older men, a lot of whom were married, paying a pimp/pimps to have sex with children, who they cared nothing about.

Let's not minimize child rape. (Or adultery, for that matter).

Y'all should look into the beast of Belgium case .... See how much stuff can actually happen in a 1st world government when it comes to child trafficking...

Good. I hope there is enough corroborating evidence to put these people away.

Regarding the "court of public opinion".......we all hopefully agree that when people do bad things, they deserve to be punished. (In this case, the bad thing is raping children.) Now, in a civilized society, we like to rely on official bodies to do the deciding innocence and guilt, and to do thepunishing, which, in our society, is the executive and judicial branches. We rely on these official bodies to do it, because mob rule is messy and often "gets it wrong", and we view this official process has having legitimacy.

But what happens if people do bad things, and the official bodies choose not do anything and choose not to punish people that do bad things? We basically have 2 options, as far as I see. We can either....1.Shrug our shoulders and accept the fact that people got away with doing bad things, or 2. Take matters into our own hands, judge them in the "court of public opinion", and punish them as we see fit. (Not necessarily through violence, though it certainly happens that way sometimes, it can look like public shaming and humiliation too).

Explain how taking matters into our own hands, judge them in the "court of public opinion" and punish as we see fit differs from mob rule which often gets it wrong.

That's what they needed to do along time ago, publicly.

Guys put up more of a fuss losing a trap than these victims have.

You seem to be stuck on someone minimizing this, I musta missed that post?

Not to change the subject, but look at Letcher County Kentucky, very similar. High county officials doing the same type of thing. People say it had been happening for years, most knew of it. It's apparently easy to get the girls and women to comply as long as you have the rewards to offer. It happens everywhere. I don't like it but in my opinion 2 or 3 people will become the fall guys to the Epstein files, Prince Andrew comes to mind.

Prince Andrew fell because the girl named him, that's what needs to happen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virginia_Giuffre_v._Prince_Andrew

It doesn't. That's the point. Thats why the powers that be (in this case the DOJ) need to do their job.

a lot of businessmen etc likely never gave the girls their name and were not recognized by them. congressmen too

in other words, a lynch mob.

no 'Rules of Evidence".
no "Presumption of Innocence"
no "Right to an Attorney" [in the Court of public opinion]
no "Right to confront your Accuser"
no "Right to Discovery"
no "Right against Cruel and Unusual Punishment" [someone mentioned woodchippers]

really, no Constitutional Rights at all.

sounds like the Salem Witch Trials...

Lynch Mobs.

Plain and Simple.

under your preferred scenario, you better pray to God that no one throws an innuendo YOUR way. No proof required.