Gonna be a black swan for Christmas, Tyson is shutting down the Nebraska plant with its 5,000 head per day capacity

Lexington has a population of 11,200, and the plant there employs 3200. That town is going to lose over a quarter of its population in jobs. Gonna be another dead small town before long.

They're blaming it on the beef shortage that they caused. Buying fats for .96 a lb and selling them for record profits during covid, then abandon the market when it turns.

They can probably just deport all the workers, so no benefits need paid.

Keith

Is Tyson china owned?

Probably true. Wife took a job at a Tyson chicken plant in KY when we were dating. She lasted a day. Besides being a nasty job the Mexican hitting on her all day made her quite uncomfortable.
The entire staff was Mexicans. A Ice raid would shut the place down.

Call it in, screw Tysons

Nebraska is only 4.6% black and much of that is Africans who moved there to process beef. Nebraska is only 12% Hispanic. The skewed demographics for the small town tells you foreigners moved there to work.




Keith

Food processing plants typically employ a lot of migrant workers. Once they're all run off who will do that work?

In Lexington, Nebraska, there soon won't be a plant to be run off from. The plant is closing. The aliens will just be more of a burden than they already are if they remain. Even working, low level aliens, cost the US taxpayer much more than they pay in in taxes.



We are better off without them.

Keith

Next up, Storm Lake, IA.

I'm waiting on a ICE raid in the hog confinements in my county.

Non migrant workers! The people who worked these plants before.
If not good riddance to these companies. And their indentured servants

Ol dad

Im hauling feed to cattle destined for that plant...as we speak.


It might change my life 3 industries upstream from it.




Life's about change.

They are either retired or dead. Good luck with getting present generations to do that type of work. Maybe if they get hungry enough but I doubt it.

Tyson has been about poultry. I was surprised when they bought IBP out. Beef is ridiculous now with good burger over $7 per pound
Maybe this will lower beef prices and/or encourage more chicken/turkey consumption.

Americans. The new Cooperative beef plant in Nebraska proved it a few months ago. That had lines of Americans waiting to interview.

IBP paid good wages. When Tyson bought them out wages were cut. I know a sack full of people that worked at IBP in Emporia. Most all quit when wages were cut. Tyson started hiring illegals.

Which is why they cut wages. If there weren't a steady stream on illegals to work cheaper, that wouldn't have happened.

They are not migrants. They are illegal aliens.

Honest question, can big operations like that actually hire illegals?



I dont know but id think they'd have to have pretty solid paperwork before a big company would have anything to do with them.

All the illegals have to do is show up with forged paperwork. The employer is not required to verify them. Tyson had help wanted ads in Mexican border towns. They also, in Emporia at least, brought in refugees from Somalia. The old IBP now Tyson plant in Holcomb KS did the same thing.

I hauled a LOT of IBP meat some years ago. Hauled out of Tyson with a hopper bottom. Processed by products for dog, hog and poultry feed. Lots of hides to KC where they were prepared for shipment to Chinese tanneries.

Its not just Tyson. All the thousands of head a week processors are filled with illegals.

I think a lot of times it is a mix. Some legal and some illegals. Like a lot of work environments, their are family connections in the workforce


"A recent earnings report indicated that Tyson stands to lose some $600 million in its beef business next fiscal year, on top of the already-incurred $720 million loss over the last two years. "

Just adds to the hysteria already have people around here crying they wont have strawberries next year because nobody to pick them

Those used to be good, blue collar jobs before Tyson and others began importing their labor and paying them crap.

I will say picking strawberries is a dang hard job lol. Several years ago I was in between jobs and replied to a facebook ad looking for strawberry pickers just down the road. They were paying by the quart, and you could make at least $20/hr picking. I lasted 8 hours. Got my pay and went home, intending to go back the next day. I literally could not get out of bed, lol. 8 hours in a crouching position and I simply could not move the next day. Had to call and tell them I quit, lol. I ended up not quitting, but worked in the produce stand instead. They used (legal!) Mexicans to pick the rest of the strawberries. They brought them here on some H-something or other visa and paid for their housing in addition to whatever wages they got. Those Mexicans were something else... I watched them work 12 hour days in the field in 100 degree MS humid heat while I was dying in the shade of the canopy of the produce stand.

I don't believe farmers will be unable to find workers... whether it is legal immigrants or Americans, but they will need to pay more.

I always said the illegals only do jobs Americans won't was a lie. They will do jobs Americans won't at the low pay Illiegals will. Im a good example. Was not anything much I wouldn't do if the pay was worth it and some times when it was not but I needed the income. Line clearance tree work, building cell towers, smoke stacks, bridges, tieing rebar at existing sewer plants. Cleaning in a food plant i worked in after highschool was nasty.

enough to make it worth my while at the time.

"The Congressional Budget Office now projects the U.S. fertility rate will average just 1.6 births per woman over the next three decades, well short of the 2.1 needed for a stable population.

Experts warn that this demographic shift will contribute to an aging population, shrink the workforce, and strain public programs designed to support seniors."

Turns out ponzi schemes collapse, whoda thunk it.

And beef prices never went down despite what was almost slave labor Tyson was using.

I bet company profits soared though.

If your business model can not exist in a legal manner, paying a high enough wage to attract workers, Then , maybe , I dont know, your business sucks and should not exist????

Illegal immigration is illegal.

Carl doesn't care as long as they pick his berries.

That is not the point of the post. These magical American workers don't and won't exist.

Than import migrants.......legally. If the dumb preacher/farmer I worked for could do it....anyone can.

Theres got to be some managerial malpractice if they're losing money in the midst of the highest retail beef prices in the history of earth.

Legal immigration is not based on the law of supply and demand. It is based on government created caps.

"Limitations on Green Cards

For the capped preference categories in the family and employment streams, U.S. law imposes a limit on how many immigrants from any particular country can receive green cards in a given year. Under the per-country cap set in the Immigration Act of 1990, no country can receive more than 7 percent of the total number of employment-based and family-sponsored preference visas in a given year. There are no per-country limits for uncapped categories, such as immediate relatives of U.S. citizens.

Because of the numerical caps and per-country caps on certain green-card categories, there are significant waits for some categories, with sharper effects on a few countries. For example, as of April 2019, the wait for U.S. citizens to sponsor adult, unmarried children was more than seven years for most parts of the world, but was 12 years for relatives from the Philippines—and more than 21 years for those from Mexico. As of November 2018, there were 3.7 million people waiting in line abroad for a family-sponsored green card, and 121,000 awaiting an employment-sponsored green card."

Lots of big companies have a thing called "projected" income for a time period and this can be inflated to such a profit margin that it's rarely obtainable. The company then can say they "lost" money during that time when in fact they didn't. "Corporate America" can show blue collar workers and the public sector anything - either good or bad. They are liars and crooks.

No, it’s an American multinational.

There is no reason to innovate when you have cheap labor, the decades of illegal labor have stifled innovation, a problem that is currently being solved by robotics, Ai, etc

How would less beef being processed bring the price down?

Less supply of any product traditionally means higher prices for that product on the market?


And would any of yall complaining about beaverpeeler hiring migrant workers go to work picking berries for him...and if so what pay woulld you want?

What do you think is a "fair" wage for Americans?

True

I have no affinity for Tyson but there is zero chance Americans will line up to cut meat if we deport all of the illegals. Some, maybe. But not all or even close.

It would cut into their internet time--among many other reasons.

Advocate for legal alternatives like bringing back the Bracero Program. Don't advocate for looking the other way for lawbreakers. It distorts our job market and incentivizes immoral behavior.

More laborers is easy. End welfare.

Many people on welfare ( actually most have jobs ) However, if these people even existed would they make good workers ( actually perform solid hard work)?

Capitalism would correct things and build. Socialism will continue to destroy.

…. If weren’t for all the immigration… we wouldn’t have so many mouths to feed

…. I’m sure we’d manage

Pa. has so many on Welfare, SSI and Medicaid that most are able bodied folks. Just lazy and know how to work the system.

We could fill all those vacant Tyson positions pretty quickly if these folks had to resort to full time employment. Problem is many choose a life of crime instead to supplement their steady Govt income.

“If you want to help poor people, the first thing you should do is NOT create huge financial incentives for them to stay poor.”

Thomas Sowell

Bob, can you point me to real, bonified statistics that support your claims?
Or are those things you say just your un-researched opinion?

Can do you one better, come to st cloud mn and I'll take you to apartment buildings where you can watch men stand around all day, day after day.

… you ought to just move to south or Central America instead of insisting on bringing them here …since you seem to be more into their culture than your own

… that’s right ! lol

The reason it's shutting down is because they can't get the cattle numbers to keep the plant profitable.

I had worked years past in a 4 county radius for many years. I have seen and interacted with several hundred of people in that category. Some I came to know fairly well over time.

A friend of mine worked and managed 3 offices of our State Dept of Public Welfare . She kept me abreast of such things.

Currently Pa. has 3 million or more on welfare, snap and medicaid recipients. Nearly 24% of our state population receives these state and federal benefits.

This represents millions of dollars paid out annually. This has been going on in our state for family generations for some of these folks. Many of these could work if they had too.

Yes, there’s families I know that have three generations on the dole. Going back to the late 60s.

Thanks Solicitor Obvious. None of us would ever have not guessed, that not all, or even close to all Americans would line up to cut meat. We only need a tiny fraction of a percent of Americans to process meat, definitely not close to all or all.

Liberals poor arguments always ignore the fact that we can extremely easily get more immigrants, if we find out we need them, after disposing of the illegal ones.

Keith

This is why the government closes one eye when it comes to illegals doing the labor tasks. If we count on American population growth according to 1.6 births, not only will people not do the jobs, there will not be people to do the jobs. There will literally be a people shortage.

The pay will increase due to supply and demand of warm bodies. And eventually workers will have the ace.

And sadly this will increase product and service prices even more.

It's coming, just a matter of time.

There will have to be a major collapse and reset. Hope you're ready.

I just heard today 2 year cap on section 8 for able bodied people & 20 hr min job to get snap benefits, win. Next up drug testing & cronic fatigue or social awkwardness doesnt warrant a disability check.

On one hand we don't have enough workers and the other AI will replace many jobs. Also we can't forget the robots that will be coming on line. If we deported every person here illegally and cut off all Gov. help for the able bodied I think we would find out what's what.

A lot of the meat at the Prestage plant at Eagle Grove is cut by robotics.

All the illegal aliens that loose their jobs there can get a CDL and keep on trucking.

why do you think we need china owned tyson? illeagal workers?we dont ! tons of small bussiness meat packers not allowed to sell there product because bureaucracy usda restrictions....get rid of the illeagals ...foreign meat packers and burearocrats and let americians go to work.

It’s not a secret we need immigration to keep an increasing population to further the Capitalist system. But the population shouldn’t be supplemented by illegal immigration. Since when did anything ‘illegal’ stop being bad?

…. Maybe that system is the problem?

… I don’t want to be replaced by 3rd world low iq people

… won’t be any semblance left of what was created when they take over

I don’t disagree. At least with legal immigration there’s a screening process and we can weed out the lemons.

What is the purpose of a stable population?

What would be wrong with a downsized population?

What was wrong with our population when it was just 250,000,000? I do not see the population stability imperative. I see no reason why we can’t build from within or just don’t build.

…. Poland doing just fine

What was wrong with a population of a mere 220 million? I seem to remember that.

Would be a horrible shame if foriegn aid went away and the money spent on social security instead.

Les, is right, we don't need a huge population. We will need even less people in the future with AI and other advancements. Most of the people coming from third world countries have neither the nuture or nature to make them of benefit to us. In many cases, their next generation won't be any more useful.

We need good immigrants, not useless or barely useful ones. The US is in a position to be highly selective, because so many people want to come here. We should take only the best and ban the rest.

Keith

I don't think that system is the problem. I think we have a need to import LEGAL Mescins to pick beaverpeelers strawberries. But anyone hiring illegal Mescins, such as beaverpeeler, should be buried under the prison.... the illegals wouldn't come if no one would hire them.

… it sounds Almost as if you think all people aren’t created equal through historical observation

… ought to be ashamed of yourself

Many ethnicities aren't on average as competent as people from Western Europe. There's at least some competent people in most ethnicities. There's some incompetent people of Western European heritage too. The smart thing is to take the best that apply, regardless of ethnicity. When selecting the best, culture and values plays a huge part in determining who is the best fit.

Some people would call me a racist, but I honestly don't care what people I don't respect think about me. It would make no sense to do so.

Keith

Racist is becoming a word that liberals use to try to control the behavior of people weak enough mentally to give in to false beliefs, for fear of being ostracized.

Keith

We don’t need replacement people but Joe Citizen doesn’t pull the strings and before you know it,there’s random replacement people everywhere to meet the shorterm needs of the very wealthy and careless rich businessmen.

… we all gonna end up piebalds

Serious questions: what do you do that's useful? Are you gainfully employed full-time? How do you earn money and contribute to society? Are you on any form of assistance or disability benefits?

All I see you do is cut and paste useless trivia on Tman.

I advocate for no welfare and people who work. Including no fake disability welfare.

I would deport any and all deadbeat lazy Americans and any and all deadbeat illegals.

Those who work hard can stay. That's what I would support.

So you don't support the laws of this county? Odd stance for an officer of the court.

Where would you deport the Americans to?

WE are near death ,who needs 2200000 OLD PEOPLE

Ihave cut and housed tobbaco cut cord wood but strawwberry picking is the worst by far

Isn’t Tyson Foods an example of a capitalist company within in a capitalist system?

I’m not saying socialism is answer here , it’s not. But,…………. explain how capitalism corrects this.

Some could argue that capitalism has allowed the industry to become dominated by giant corporations.

Again, I’m not saying socialism is the answer but…….. explain how capitalism fixes this.

Capitalism works only when the law is followed. It's long past due to tighten up laws that punish those who hire illegals. Much as most people would like to, the U.S. is incapable of correcting all the ills in the world. We can not even stop the corruption in our own country.

Making insider trading illegal for U.S. legislators would be be a good start. The fact that it is not is indicative of corruption in our government. We already have laws against hiring illegals. That needs to be enforced.

We dont have true capitalism. The government picks winners and looser through controls permits and regulations. Most dont make since but put barriers to enter for the small guys. The big guys and spread those cost out, buy exemptions through lobbying and campaign donations ect.

Read everything I want to do is ILLIEGAL for a well written and funny but serious examples.

There’s actually different types of capitalism

Governments use immigration to artificially boost gdp numbers,,,with the keynesian system we currently operate under

Big government- socialism - government knows best,,,etc

It’s the ol’ Keynesian vs Austrian debate

The human body was meant to perform hard physical labor. The human mind benefits from hard labor also. Society today does not require hard labor. Hence, we have become a very sick society mentally and physically. Just a quick history of the Lexington beef plant. It was opened 35 years ago in a former New Holland farm machinery factory. I worked there when they opened up as a beef slaughter. It was state of the art. Last spring a new beef slaughter opened in North Platte Nebraska. It is doing well with 850 employees. It is a cooperative owned by beef producers. They are producing for Walmart. Interesting. A new beef plant is proposed for Glenwood Iowa. That would be a cooperative of producers also.

Anyone is free to go out and convince investors to lend them money, and then use that money to build their own cattle processing plant in Lexington. That's how capitalism fixes this.

In fact, nothing was stopping anyone from doing that before this place decided to shut down. If someone was able to figure out a cheaper way of processing cattle, they were free to open a better cattle processing plant in Lexington and take all the cattle processing business away from this place. (This is where govt regulations get in the way....certain govt regulations probably get in the way of innovating more efficient/cheaper methods).

They're also paying off lawsuits for price fixing and under investigation for price manipulation. Competition is stifled by regulations, this isn't "how capitalism works"

I wonder what the cost of the kill process is when you must appease animal rights groups vs. a farm type dispatch?

What happened to the migrant workers program? I remember they showed up in spring stayed until harvest then back to Mexico and other countries. Had work visas and not used a political puppet’s. Dems wanted more here to sway the census for congressional seating. They knew Americans would stop the voting. Plus staff new programs so politicians could skim if them

Corporate America has become so skewed in reporting profits and losses it should be illegal. Bottom lines manipulation. Company buying companies for 5 times worth. Electronic monies that don’t and never will exists.

At today’s ammo prices packing plant piston driven spike be cheaper than a bullet !

Coastal towns in NC used to have crab houses where local ladies picked crab meat. Several towns had multiple crab houses. Almost none exist today and the few that are still open are staffed by Hispanic migrants who live on site. They used to pick crabs on a piece rate, but the Department of Labor said the migrant employees were being underpaid. After the owners switched to an hourly rate, production slowed dramatically, yet locals still will not take those jobs at any rate. Same goes for heading shrimp.

Reminds me of the $20 hourly wage in California for fast food workers.

I believe you just distorted Austrian economics. I believe Austrians would oppose Government control of the free flow of labor.

Capitalism has not failed. In capitalism businesses fail and are replaced by better businesses.

"Any managed migration system will fail to achieve the optimal quantity or mix of immigrants because centrally planning the international labor market suffers from the same epistemic problems that make it impossible to optimally plan any market. In response to the artificial relative price structure, imposed by managed migration systems, the domestic stock of human and physical capital becomes distorted. Managed migration systems also set in motion the dynamics of intervention that lead to further interventions into the economy."

The “Austrian economic model” does oppose government control of the labour market

We don’t operate under the Austrian system,,,, nobody does

Unfortunately

Beaverpeeler never said he hired "illegals" he said he hired migrant workers. There is a difference.

I had a sis in law in Va that picked crabs 30 years ago on piece meal.. the more she picked the more she got paid and she was a machine at it..shes done it for 20 years by then. . They switched to hourly and she didnt make 25% what sh3 had been making.

Sge quit and went to work at a hotel.

BP, I don't think the idea is to run off legal migrants. The employer just needs to pay the legal ones a little more money.

That is right. Free flow of labor doesn't work under a welfare state funded by fiat currency.

… here the Yankees and Californians come and take the higher paying jobs … while the mescins drive down wages on the rest

… I’m fortunate for the moment as I have a management position… but the writings on the wall when it comes to good ol boys like me

Ain't that the truth!

If we don’t have enough workers,then who needs the product?

It is actually interesting that you put the pieces together . Workers have had the Ace for some time already. People should really research the economic consequences of population declines and worker shortages. It really makes government pay as you go programs and debt management impossible to do. Economic growth also becomes difficult since businesses can't find workers.

What is it that is stopping the good ol' boys from taking those higher paying jobs in the energy, aeronautics, agriculture etc. industries Texas is known for?

… it’s what I said … the Yankees and Californians move here for those jobs and lower taxes and cheaper living… the mescins move up here for the labor jobs

… the good ol boys hung out to dry

… we still make it for the most part… but it shouldn’t be that hard considering our stock are the ones that built it

… you understand? …. Or do I need to google translate it into French lol

… out of all the mangers in the investment group that bought the company I work for portfolios…. I’m the only good ol boy in management… all the others are transplants

… the labor is 90% immigrants on work visas

[quote=Savell … out of all the mangers in the investment group that bought the company I work for portfolios…. I’m the only good ol boy in management… all the others are transplants [/quote]

I'm going to go out on a limb and say that your time in management is probably going to be short-lived.

… made it 11 years so far … but i hear you … a man’s time is limited when working with the enemy lol