In your opinion?
I see alot of back and forth about americans not getting paid?
a fair wage and that if americans were being paid fairly that thered be no need for migrant or illegal workers.

So yall that speak of a "fair" wage. What is that number,

What is "fair" to you?

Brass tacks..how much would they have to pay YOU to get you to pick berries or milk cows??

A fair wage is whatever the employee and the employer agree upon. Nobody is forced to work at a job that they feel underpays them.

I wouldn't pick berries for anything, because it's a seasonal job. I'd milk cows for $34/hr. That's about what it takes to pay the bills and feed 5 kids here. I've never cared about what I did for a living, so long as it payed the bills.

The mistake is fair thinking. Life isn’t fair, get over it.

I start at $25, idk what's fair, it's hard to get people started at $25 so I may need to go higher. I have a low tolerance for bs from employees so that weeds out a lot of losers.

Problem is everyone thinks they should start at the top. They also have unrealistic expectations in their lifestyle choices.

Funny, I have low tolerance for employers. I work for people I like.

If you don't like the going wage from any given employer , learn how to make yourself more valuable to that employer. If you still don't like it , move along

This equates to fair wage

Forced wage rates skew everything


Unions are the worst , grown arse adults striking because they " think " they are more valuable then they are

Self motivated hard working individuals get screwed the worst in a union .......carrying total loosers along with them .....on thier journey upward , watering down their own potential.

Can't convince them of that though

This is very common

Showing up on time is the main hurdle for new employees, if your going to be late and don't even have the courtesy to call or text don't show up at all.

Well, I got paid $2.50/hr back in the late 80s for working on the neighbors farm. Farmer paid more ($7.50/hr) on the weekends for pitching manure with pitchfork. Needless to say I pitched as much poo as possible and I thought I was rich. Lol

I like a man with a clear thought!!

That's why you're a trapper, right?

It is not 1981. There are jobs everywhere and employees suck. That is why I get hired, because I don't suck as much.

This, however I would say that it is grossly unfair for govt collusion with employers to flood the zone with cheap labor or to fix prices in the free market exchange of labor for wages.

IMO, the labor market in the US should be strictly limited to US citizens and totally free of any mandated minimums or benefits.

I also think it unfair that labor can organize without consequence. All employment should be free will contracted between individuals.

A willing employer and a willing employee decide what a fair wage is.

I do agree that this simple concept has been screwed up by the government.

This is a conceptual question, it will never be answered the same way from any one !

Fair is what a person denotes they can usually get by on in my view, set by both parties with a growth plan
for more responsibility and work involved for the same amount of time at a higher rate

When I first started work it was washing dishes in a neighbors restaurant business, $2.00 on a grave yard shift for 9 hours
Was still going to high school, though the money was great for dong nothing, until the boss came around ad said you also have to bus tables keep the floor clean and what ever else the waitresses told you, UHM thats not how you laid it out when you hired me. My first summer job sucked after that ultimatum LOL

I slowly became educated that more money equated to more responsibility of what ever or wherever one worked, so I got in to company that had a apprenticeship program for four years and you graduated at their cost and owed one more year after that !

I stayed almost 20 years at that place eating up every once of new equipment in the welding and steel field, was top guy on the pay scale, which at the time still was not what a new beginner makes now in the same field, however I had my needs taken
care of owned my new home and had great transportation, then the place closed down in the mid 90's,

However due to my skills I drifted from one welding outfit to another until I met my last place of employment here at the copper mine, stayed five years and made more in that time than the 19 years at the other place plus all the skipping around as other doors closed. Home is payed for have a set retirement coming in higher than all the other places for my skill learned,. still got great transportation, and life is fairly good, except some medical problems due age and circumstances.

So in the end it's what you make of your self to say what is fair, how to live on what you decide to have, there is always bigger and better around very corner, except, all those doors don't actually let you see far enough into the company to say is this fair or not, so now days everything is a cat and mouse game. People jump the ship as well if something they feel is bothering them about the work place as well, there are so many new little things people worry about that don't amount to anything in the long run, where does that come from, figure that out and maybe things would return to well conceptual, LOL

AI and Bots are going to replace all the people that refuse to perform a days work.

We are all replaceable….