but are they inferior to the tried and true? if not you have no arguement.

Good grief!

You need to move your stand or blind in a little closer!

That's accurate shooting. I couldn't do that with your rifle.

Plus, I have trouble sometimes finding where they were standing (unless they drop RT) when Im less that 100 yds away. Id never find where they were if I was 400plus yds out.

WB
You won't see the advantages until you start shooting at longer ranges and particularly when you start dealing with wind.

Seems like the same thing said in what 53 when the 308 came out. At the time with powder available it was the same speed as 06 just shorter. Didn't kill any better. But but but. Ya. Funny thing I read that the military reduced the target size when the 308 started getting used it shoot more accurately. Is that true I don't know but have read it more than once.

This should get some going. I have shot only one deer with an 06 and got to say I was not impressed. Honestly it was about like the one I shot with 223 in distance traveled and reaction. I much prefer every 243/7-08, 270 deer i have seem shot over that one deer with the 06. But I know its a sample size of 1 And the next one would react differently. My best guess is I had a bullet that didn't preform as intended going by the small wound Channel and hole through his heart. Kinda like those 150gr Winchester loads in 350 legend above. 7 of 8 made me think it was my new favorite cal but one looked and acted like it was hit with a fmj. And the 170gr soft points my kids are telling me they are not leaving much of a blood trail. Thar stinks because I bought 12 boxes once I saw they shot well.

Can you imagine if we had the internet when 308 rolled out? You’d have them salty, old 30-06 boys yelling “that cartridge don’t do anything the 30-06 can’t! It’s weak!” Haha change is hard.
The old cartridges still get er done. Sometimes better than the new. But my argument is that new ones are (on average) outta the box more accurate and can handle the lighter bullets all the way up to the heavies. The old cartridges to shoot heavies usually need a barrel change. Why do you think manufacturers have all started speeding up twist rates on barrels? 7rem, 270, 22-250 are all coming with faster twist rates to try to keep up with the new cartridges. It’s good! But kinda sucks if you have an old rifle and you need some off the shelf ammo. My dad’s 22-250 he gave me has a 1-12 twist. I gotta roll my own ammo for it. Can’t find them little 40-45grainers on the shelf anymore.

What powder y'all like in the 6.5 with 129-130gr bullets?

H4350 is a pretty solid powder

Avon powder.
Relax I've not seen a CM.

The OAL talk got me curious so dug around.
Parent case 30TC, that was made by Hdy.
A shorter 308 case necked down to 264.
All attributes mentioned plus it's a wildcat
with available stamped ammo,
for those that do not load.
Sounds pretty brilliant to me.

Does the 270 now graduate to above pea shooter?

I will ask my wife .

Have 6.5 CM in Wilson Combat gas, bolt that I built 24" Areo Solus, fluted, Zermatt action. I shot both for PRS, and range shooting. Have to many calibers is my problem. But If it goes boom I'm in

Wow, y’all can misinterpret anything on this forum. Never said there’s anything wrong with the calibers, just saying it’s all in the advertising and marketing. Are they inferior, no, but are they better?
Again, it’s all in the advertising…buy the latest and greatest caliber that resists wind and drops everything it hits including elephants at 3000 yards. And it was mentioned about ammo being unavailable for some of the relics…wonder why. If you’re pimping a new caliber you can’t have competition from the old stuff. Heck, go to any ammo store and you’ll find more crazy calibers than old it seems. Again, marketing and advertising has got the Creedmores, ARC, PRC, etc being bought like hotcakes and not by competition shooters only either.

I would think guys shooting older caliber would have so much ammo on hand or enough experience and extra cash to order it on sale at good prices . Needing to buy it off the shelf at regular price wouldn't be necessary so only the newer shooters buying the newer stuff will be buying at the local store making the new stuff sell better so it gets stocked more.

I'm not going to shoot my old guns as much as a new one. They are allready zeroed and I know what loads they like. The new needs zeroed and loads tested so will go through more ammo.

Low recoil
Very accurate
Fairly cheap ammo
Plentiful ammo now that it's caught on
Doesn't burn much powder
6.5mm bullets have phenomenal penetration. About 1 million moose have been shot in Sweden since 1973 when they started keeping track. Half of those were shot with a 6.5 x 55 swede, which is pretty much identical ballistically to a 6.5 Creedmoor.

I shot a cow at 496 yards with a 6.5 Creedmoor. I hit her twice, both bullets exited. 120 grain Barnes TTSX.

I will stick with my 338 federal

Shoots half way flat up to 300 yards

Lots of impact penenetration

Won't kick the heck outta you

Rounds are easily available on line

Can be made using a standard 308 case

6.5 CM, makes me think about my 22,ARC , 6 ARC, didn't need either. But have 2 ea., sitting in the safe. Don't think of the rifles, I own there's not 1 really needed. I wanted them ! Have shot everything from Prairie dogs, to elk & bears. Own 308's, 22 250, 6mm CM, 243 & 243 Ackley, 7mm STW, 5.56's, 22 LR, 22 Hornet. I enjoy shooting long range, & have couple place to shot out to 2500 yds. Both are private and only about 6 shooters, each person buys there own steel targets, and we all kicked in on couple nice benches. I shot with vet friend who has 338 Lapua, & Barret M107A1 50, we wake the neighbor hood up with those 2. I like the 6mm CM, & 6.5 CM , not expensive to reload and love the range of bullets I can load on the twists of my rifles. My theory, is If you like certain caliber , Im good with that. My problem is I'm a GUN junkie

same here!

It is a bullet that proforms like a 308 but is better longer range because of wind. If you need to go bigger there's 6.5 prc. That's my opinion

And our rifle can shoot all touching.

Everything he said




In a smaller caliber,,,,,,, a deer gun and smaller ,,