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Progressive church??? #8548965
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Do any of you that are Christian Conservatives have a spouse that is going to a liberal/progressive church? . My wife of 33 years is thinking about going to a liberal progressive church and i am struggling with it. We go to a Christian church. She got sucked up in the liberal ideology when social media started up. We did not talk about politics or any of the liberal ideology at all for the first 22 years of our marriage so i didnt know this side of her. I am beginning to think we are not equally yoked. How do/did you handle a situation like this?

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My wife and I often disagree on politics, so we just don't discuss it much. We've got plenty of other things in common and life is too short to get hung up on stuff like that.

Re: Progressive church??? [Re: 2zwudz] #8548987
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Religion has been changing since humans first invented it. Just go with her. Don't let something as trivial as religion and politics destroy33 years of marriage.

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Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
Re: Progressive church??? [Re: 2zwudz] #8548990
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Agree with the above. 33 years is a long time--don't let politics ruin your marriage. Or religion.

I'm Catholic and in a pretty traditional Parish so I don't have experience with a liberal/progressive church--but good for her for going to church. She could be doing a lot worse.

Re: Progressive church??? [Re: 2zwudz] #8548991
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Which one of you is passive in conflict? 22 years of marriage and unable to discuss politics is not healthy. Who's penting up their anger? You have bigger issues here than politics.

I've been married, divorced and remarried, I'm no expert but I can tell you the direction you're leaning (divorce) is not what God desires.


I don't know half of you half as well as I should like, & I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve
Re: Progressive church??? [Re: danny clifton] #8548993
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Originally Posted by danny clifton
Religion has been changing since humans first invented it. Just go with her. Don't let something as trivial as religion and politics destroy33 years of marriage.


God does not change.


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Re: Progressive church??? [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8549000
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Which one of you is passive in conflict? 22 years of marriage and unable to discuss politics is not healthy. Who's penting up their anger? You have bigger issues here than politics.

I've been married, divorced and remarried, I'm no expert but I can tell you the direction you're leaning (divorce) is not what God desires.




Agreed, not healthy at all. And not biblical for a husband to fail to lead as it is for a wife to not submit to his leadership.

First, are you a christian husband loving his wife as Christ loves his church? If so she should having no issue with submitting as she would to Christ.

I would suggest that the both of you should submit for pastoral counseling.


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Re: Progressive church??? [Re: 2zwudz] #8549004
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Wife and I don't fight but if she supported the liberal agenda, that would change fast.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Progressive church??? [Re: trapdog1] #8549008
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Originally Posted by trapdog1
My wife and I often disagree on politics, so we just don't discuss it much. We've got plenty of other things in common and life is too short to get hung up on stuff like that.


Fortunately mine does not bother herself with politics and if she has questions she comes to me for answers and I do my best to keep her appraised of current events and the conflicts. I also try to stay abreast of what she listens to and is influenced by as she listens to contemporary christian radio and that is a well known vehicle is deception. One of our local groups Newsboys had a big following until the news of their failings came out, she was warned well in advance of that by of my concerns so it came as no surprise to either of us when it all came to light.


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go with , puts you in a better place to see the hypocrisy they might be pushing or at least know what they are preaching.

I am righter than right and lefter then left which basically puts me out in a field by myself most of the time.

your gay , fine nice to meet you , were still not doing anything I wouldn't do with a strait friend.

got gay kids ,whatever

think the 2nd amendment covers private ownership of machineguns , bazooka , rockets and howitzers , yup me too.

a friend of mine is a pastor and 15 years ago we differed on guns , he was like I am ready to die rather than take life and I was like I am ready to fight to secure my family.
he told me not long ago , he had gone shooting and having a son changed his opinion a bunch , he is like I get it now , why you were so ready to fight the world to secure the family.

everything gets tried in is this good or bad for people and what are the motives. how is this a power grab , how will it be misused by any political party in the future and how do we pay for it.
want to preach a bunch of stuff but other people should pay for it , nope doesn't work.



on the flip side I am not Baptist but I have been going with a friend and his family to a fairly conservative Baptist church not sure he is really Baptist either but the pastor is a friend of his and goes deep in scripture and everything is deeply scripture based. I can't think of a time the pastor was more well researched and had put more time in , funny thing is the pastor has a day job and he is putting in more work that a lot of pastors who get paid by the church to work for the church full time.

my parents went to a couple such places more liberal bible churches after they left the Methodist church they were at for 40 years they got tired of being the only ones taking on responsibilities , my dad was the treasurer for 20 years , my mom we typing the bulletin every week and were at meetings every week they saw a pattern a lot of people who hopped churches every few years , just about the time you asked for something more than show up on Sunday and they were hopping to another church.
small churches run on volunteer labor

look at the content of their scripture and the actions of their deeds , if you find a legit weakness in their actions and words lining up , poke holes in it.

but you won't know if you aren't there


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Re: Progressive church??? [Re: 2zwudz] #8549014
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I'm not so sure that I'm still a baptist considering the direction my SBC seems to be choosing to go and the failure of the local churches to take a stand against it. All the while my path is geling more around a reformed baptist thinking.


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My wife is stuck in the middle one son is a Trump fan the others married to a city liberal from guess where yes Mnpls MN. I point out the inconsistency and lawlessness that being promoted she doesn’t say much. The one in the Twin Cities called the other day was pretty cryptic about making sure my phone number hadn’t change sounds like he might need a cult extraction in the near future.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Ask yourself, if she believes in Christ as her savior. Ask her if she will continue to practice in faith in our Lord. Done! Take the childish political lines out of religion and focus on the absolute one thing that matters. Do you think for one moment that a true believer is going to (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) because they believe but don't practice in the same manner as you or other strict religions?


Years ago, the pastor of our church gave me a super long winded lecture about church attendance and "sharing" in faith with other members of the congregation. He ultimately agreed to meet up with me on a river fishing steelhead. Perfect morning. Beautiful sun rise, no one around, deer and other critters passing by, and he hooked up on a nice fish. Told him that besides being up in the mountains, there was nowhere else I felt closer to God and and an appreciation for life. All he could say was "I get it". Never lectured me again.


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Re: Progressive church??? [Re: 2zwudz] #8549021
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I agree with GreenCountyPete. The progressive Christians that I’ve listened to grossly misquote scripture. Now would be an important time for you to get very grounded in the Word if you aren’t already. Make sure you are sound enough to identify and refute anything that doesn’t jive. Maybe host a couples bible study at your house that way you can subtly refute some of the main points without looking like you are attacking her or what she believes. That’s how I think I would handle it anyways

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Remember that Jesus wasn't a Republican or Democrat and I doubt he has a favorable opinion of die hard political types on either side of the spectrum. Neither really sticks to the Gospel--especially the ones that talk a big Christian game.

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I'm what I would consider to be a casual catholic. Raised going to church every week regardless of being on vacation or what, which turned me off some but I still follow the golden rule. I don't necessarily agree with all the "man made" stances within the religion but anyhow, to your question.

When we moved, we tried out a few of the local churches to find one we like for when we do decide to hit up a mass and we found one that was pretty traditional and old school and with that came no political sermons or lectures. So you may be able to satisfy both of your leanings by choosing one that doesn't lean either way and just follow the word.

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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Which one of you is passive in conflict? 22 years of marriage and unable to discuss politics is not healthy. Who's penting up their anger? You have bigger issues here than politics.

I've been married, divorced and remarried, I'm no expert but I can tell you the direction you're leaning (divorce) is not what God desires.



If she is liberal you dont have to ask that question. We become like top 5 people we are around. She starts hanging out with more of them more often. And will become worse. If he bends and no longer has his boundaries compromise logic say things can work out. BUT subconsciously she will see him as weak and keep pushing harder and further. Sounds like the marriage is over it just depends on how long he wants to live miserable before pulling the plug.

Women dont respect what they see as weak men or men without goals. After 33 years she knows him and his boundaries. If he does not stick to his its over.

Liberal church and all that comes with it would be a deal breaker for me. They chose what part to follow when it suits them and twist meanings instead of studying historical content. My wife knows it. After 29 years she knows me well. She knows she is taken care of and everything I do has her and the kids best interest in mind. She trust that. That trust allows her to submit to my authority as head of the home.

Absolutely no way your going to get a submission woman out of a liberal church. Instead you will get unhappy and combative one and home full of conflict. There are much deeper problems going on beyond the liberal church. Lead her in the correct direction. Not as a tyrant but gental guidance. Reason and logic will not override feeling and emotions. Keep this in mind.

Just my .02. Im sorry your are dealing with this.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
If she is liberal you dont have to ask that question. We become like top 5 people we are around. She starts hanging out with more of them more often. And will become worse. If he bends and no longer has his boundaries compromise logic say things can work out. BUT subconsciously she will see him as weak and keep pushing harder and further. Sounds like the marriage is over it just depends on how long he wants to live miserable before pulling the plug.

I don't think the OP is as dire as you make it. It doesn't sound like it's past the point of no return; she's not actually attending the progressive church yet and OP sounds like he wants to get things back on track before they go too far off course. Perhaps this is an opportunity to lead, and perhaps this is what the wife wants him to do. Who can say, without knowing them better. All I can really advise at this point is that they should talk it out to better understand what's driving this before making any rash decisions.

Originally Posted by Belo
I'm what I would consider to be a casual catholic. Raised going to church every week regardless of being on vacation or what, which turned me off some but I still follow the golden rule. I don't necessarily agree with all the "man made" stances within the religion but anyhow, to your question.

When we moved, we tried out a few of the local churches to find one we like for when we do decide to hit up a mass and we found one that was pretty traditional and old school and with that came no political sermons or lectures. So you may be able to satisfy both of your leanings by choosing one that doesn't lean either way and just follow the word.

LOL, maybe the traditional Latin mass can bring them together.

Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
I've been married, divorced and remarried, I'm no expert but I can tell you the direction you're leaning (divorce) is not what God desires.

Wise words.

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Originally Posted by Randy Wieland
Ask yourself, if she believes in Christ as her savior. Ask her if she will continue to practice in faith in our Lord. Done!


This is the answer. Good Christian folks can disagree on lots of things, but faith in Christ as savior is the only one that really matters. Many Christians have many different beliefs/interpretations, that they deeply and sincerely believe align with the Bible, that lead them to see things differently than other Christians, but as long as we've all got faith in Christ, that's the important part.

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Keep giving ground. Its been working well for us so far and the payoff is drawing nearer

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