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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: Law Dog] #8557764
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Originally Posted by Law Dog


“You see ICE you get in their face!” Per your Governor ya right


Ide toss him on a deportation flight to Somalia if I could, don't go shooting at the messenger here, I don't want the illegals or liberals.


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8557768
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Not stopping them heck it’s encouraging the action that can’t be legal.

They're encouraging "peaceful protest", that's legal.


Peaceful?

They're there to impede, that ain't peaceful.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: ol' dad] #8557769
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Originally Posted by ol' dad
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However you slice it, the majority of people who live in sanctuary states or cities overwhelmingly approve of it. In some way isn't that how politics is supposed to work? Majority rules?


They approve of it because they want them on their voter rolls so their side stays in power.

If the Republicans said hey we will give every illegal immigrant $1,000 if you vote for us in the next election how fast do you think the left would change their opinion on ilegal immigrants?

As far as ignoring federal law and taking the majority rules stance, I guess the same would apply if those outside the city, you know, us country folk, said we're fed up with it and declared civil war on the left and ran them all out of town. Majority rules right?

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If they can’t see the current problems of flooding a major city with stacked voters in order to control the entire state and you live in MN you would be pretty clueless to the overall outcome they currently are dealing with the rest is just smoke and mirrors.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557770
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Any ideas on why these sanctuary areas are legal?


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8557771
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Originally Posted by Law Dog


“You see ICE you get in their face!” Per your Governor ya right


Ide toss him on a deportation flight to Somalia if I could, don't go shooting at the messenger here, I don't want the illegals or liberals.



You’re the one selling a pig that’s barking here not me. LOL


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557778
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Originally Posted by hippie
Any ideas on why these sanctuary areas are legal?



They are not nothing is being done about it any sanctions against the states will be blocked by the courts that’s about guaranteed so there’s no consequences for illegal behaviors so no changes will come about until “the children can be spanked again.”


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: beaverpeeler] #8557783
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
However you slice it, the majority of people who live in sanctuary states or cities overwhelmingly approve of it. In some way isn't that how politics is supposed to work? Majority rules?

No, majority opinion does not rule. The majority can't just ignore something they don't like. If they can legally change it through the proper channels then that's another thing.

Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8557787
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Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Sanctuary cities mean the city will not enforce immigration laws or cooperate with the federal govt on immigration.

Courts have ruled that immigration falls fully under the federal govt and the federal govt is fully responsible for enforcement or lack of.

This is the answer. It's the feds job to enforce immigration, not the job of local police departments or the states.

These places just choose not to provide assistance to the feds.

Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: beaverpeeler] #8557789
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
However you slice it, the majority of people who live in sanctuary states or cities overwhelmingly approve of it. In some way isn't that how politics is supposed to work? Majority rules?


Save for one key problem. None of those cities or states exist in isolation. They are in a federated republic union with other States and the majority of those States overwhelmingly disapprove of it. In some way isn't that how politics is supposed to work? Majority rules?

BTW, federated republic is not majority rule democracy and never has been by strict definition.


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557790
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I'm just relaying the argument as to why sanctuary cities are legal. Doesn't mean I like the fact the cities exist.


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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: loosegoose] #8557798
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by Donnersurvivor
Sanctuary cities mean the city will not enforce immigration laws or cooperate with the federal govt on immigration.

Courts have ruled that immigration falls fully under the federal govt and the federal govt is fully responsible for enforcement or lack of.

This is the answer. It's the feds job to enforce immigration, not the job of local police departments or the states.

These places just choose not to provide assistance to the feds.


Governors swear to uphold federal laws and are required to. Look it up.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557802
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Originally Posted by hippie


Governors swear to uphold federal laws and are required to. Look it up.



This is the Nebraska path of office.
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Or this one. I guess it depends on whether the governor is an executive officer

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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: loosegoose] #8557807
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Originally Posted by loosegoose
Originally Posted by hippie


Governors swear to uphold federal laws and are required to. Look it up.



This is the Nebraska path of office.
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Or this one. I guess it depends on whether the governor is an executive officer

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Or then his one..
https://constitution.findlaw.com/article6/annotation05.html

Hamilton spells it out pretty clear,

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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: beaverpeeler] #8557808
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
However you slice it, the majority of people who live in sanctuary states or cities overwhelmingly approve of it. In some way isn't that how politics is supposed to work? Majority rules?

No that's socialism. As a US citizen you should how our nation was designed to function.
Had a brain fart. Meant to say that's democracy and we are not a democracy and the founders warned us against it.

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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557811
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Here's how I see it....the 10th amendment says all rights not granted to the feds are reserved for the states or the people. The constitution grants the feds power to creat immigration law (Article 1 section 8....creat a uniform rule for naturalization). So, immigration legislation and enforcement is a federal issue, not a state issue. The states are free to help, but aren't required to. Of course, actually obstructing immigration enforcement is a different issue than just not providing assistance.

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All about the money. Illegals get counted on the census, more $$. Also, illegal voting to keep the dems/libs in power. You think the NYC mayor would let 10 illegals freeze to death, the illegals were in $800 hotel rooms nice and cozy. I for one am sick of the bs.

Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: Donnersurvivor] #8557823
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how could there have been an ice raid 50 years ago when there was no ice.
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Re: Sanctuary cities, non-political please [Re: hippie] #8557829
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Oregon claims to be a sanctuary state. I don't watch the news much but it was on the other day, they had a poll going, if you supported Oregon's sanctuary statis? It was like 1500 to 300 opposed to supporting it. It just seems these Dem. leaders push what they want right through. They seem to be the problem.

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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
However you slice it, the majority of people who live in sanctuary states or cities overwhelmingly approve of it. In some way isn't that how politics is supposed to work? Majority rules?

On the flip side, beaverpeeler, Arizona tried to authorize local law enforcement to enforce federal immigration law, and the Supreme Court ruled against Arizona in 2012 that they can't do that.

So, beaverpeeler, in the interest of being intellectually honest, should Arizona have been able to enforce those laws because that's what the majority in that state wanted?

The situation we have right now is that the Supreme Court has ruled that this is the purview of the federal government.

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State leo's are supposed to arrest lawbreakers Who thinks an immigrant who breaks the law can only be arrested by ICE some judges let felons walk cause they didn't get "due process" they're not citizens duh No one would care if not for the millions of dollars that cities squander on keeping illegals here


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