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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: Wolfdog91]
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AntiGov
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....so I'm I gonna be getting a small bare bones pickup for $15k again or are factories just gonna be able to dump into rivers again ? Hopefully both
The Vink for chief moderator....night shift ...11pm- 5am best coast time zone.....Free Marty
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: Flipper 56]
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7 hours ago
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Central Oregon
AntiGov
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I hope 2 strokes make a huge comeback! Lol.....x2
The Vink for chief moderator....night shift ...11pm- 5am best coast time zone.....Free Marty
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: AntiGov]
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7 hours ago
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Northern IN USA
Flipper 56
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AntiGov Send me a PM, you are full up, I have something to show you. 2 stroke related. 
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: AntiGov]
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williamsburg ks
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I hope it means deleting all the stuff on semi's that makes them unreliable will be legal now.
Those who would give up essential liberty, to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Benjamin Franklin (1706-1790)
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: Flipper 56]
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6 hours ago
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Central Oregon
AntiGov
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AntiGov Send me a PM, you are full up, I have something to show you. 2 stroke related.  Pm sent
The Vink for chief moderator....night shift ...11pm- 5am best coast time zone.....Free Marty
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: AntiGov]
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6 hours ago
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Central, SD
Law Dog
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The regulations were stupid the formulas were manipulated so they pumped out V8 and V10 trucks and stopped selling the mini trucks the opposite of the intended outcome to begin with. Lots of regulations zero common sense and added expense.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: AntiGov]
#8565281
6 hours ago
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Amite county Mississippi
Wolfdog91
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....so I'm I gonna be getting a small bare bones pickup for $15k again or are factories just gonna be able to dump into rivers again ? Hopefully both ....can we not poison the world anymore ? Let inda and China do that but I'm 100% against any kind of chemical or waste dumping ....
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: AntiGov]
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6 hours ago
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Central, SD
Law Dog
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So if we burn more gas in a different way how far ahead are we going to be really did it ever change anything really? If co2 is a big issue and trees consume it why no worldwide tree planting programs but politicians only want your money to fix it they say. I don’t think we will ever go back to the 50s but you can bet the extreme examples are coming real or not. Such a move would be an end to any business you just need to worry about the government being the violator. LOL
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: gcs]
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5 hours ago
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spjones
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Not going back to 2 stroke outboards....the gas I save about pays for a new one in 10 years, plus I can hear things other than the motor....and I have plenty enough power and torque. Foresure 4strokes have their place But so do 2 strokes( shallow water jets ) Let the consumer decide,,, not the government
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: Blaine County]
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Ohio
Mike C
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Republicans were the ones who passed the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, NEPA and other laws designed to protect the Earth. Actual Republicans.
Don't get me wrong though. I miss the old fuel cans and hate the emissions BS--mostly on my tractors and pickups.
Bc is correct. Who can argue that our air and water are not cleaner now than in the 70s. Things went off the rails when the air and water were cleaned up to standards that were set by CONGRESS and new standards were set by AGENCY RULES. I live near Cleveland, Ohio. In the early 80s the EPA mandated that vehicles in the area be tested each year to test for emissions. At that time the EPA said that testing would remain in place until air particulates dropped to a certain level. Several years later that level was reached. Instead of discontinuing this onerous program, they decided that their original goal didn’t lower particulates enough and set a new, lower, standard. Once that level was met, they just did away with the goal and maintain the testing to this day, albeit on a bi-annual basis. I believe most Government programs start off with good intentions, but quickly digress into a bureaucratic mess with programs trying to justify their existence.
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: Mike C]
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Republicans were the ones who passed the Clean Air Act, Clean Water Act, NEPA and other laws designed to protect the Earth. Actual Republicans.
Don't get me wrong though. I miss the old fuel cans and hate the emissions BS--mostly on my tractors and pickups.
Bc is correct. Who can argue that our air and water are not cleaner now than in the 70s. Things went off the rails when the air and water were cleaned up to standards that were set by CONGRESS and new standards were set by AGENCY RULES. I live near Cleveland, Ohio. In the early 80s the EPA mandated that vehicles in the area be tested each year to test for emissions. At that time the EPA said that testing would remain in place until air particulates dropped to a certain level. Several years later that level was reached. Instead of discontinuing this onerous program, they decided that their original goal didn’t lower particulates enough and set a new, lower, standard. Once that level was met, they just did away with the goal and maintain the testing to this day, albeit on a bi-annual basis. I believe most Government programs start off with good intentions, but quickly digress into a bureaucratic mess with programs trying to justify their existence. And its Trump that's taking the burden off, MAGA, lol.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: gcs]
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5 hours ago
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Saskatchewan
rvsask
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Saskatchewan
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Not going back to 2 stroke outboards....the gas I save about pays for a new one in 10 years, plus I can hear things other than the motor....and I have plenty enough power and torque. No doubt. I can jerk any water sport person from the water in no time and rip to my fave fishing spot at 50 mph which is plenty fast enough, and I can actually hear the people I am talking to in the boat while doing it too.
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: AntiGov]
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4 hours ago
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Central, SD
Law Dog
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Central, SD
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Those Kei trucks are street legal here with scooter plates ten years ago they were more popular then today I heard good things about them but the craze died out.
Toyota keeps saying the Stout is coming out, this year supposedly but we have been told things like that before now maybe it will happen.
I don’t see anything concrete of what this all details are but you can be sure the ones knowing the least will have the most to say and the extremes will be put out there.
Just checked on the 2026 Stout predictions it started at $19,000 they said last year now it runs up to 30-40 thousand for one so no real cheaper truck then.
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Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
Jerry Herbst
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: rvsask]
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2 hours ago
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Arkansas
Bdaniel
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Not going back to 2 stroke outboards....the gas I save about pays for a new one in 10 years, plus I can hear things other than the motor....and I have plenty enough power and torque. No doubt. I can jerk any water sport person from the water in no time and rip to my fave fishing spot at 50 mph which is plenty fast enough, and I can actually hear the people I am talking to in the boat while doing it too. Yall are comparing old 2 strokes to new 4 strokes.thats not a good comparison.look at the evenrude E techs before they stopped making them.the technology is there to be MORE fuel efficient end just as quet as a 4 stroke with alot better power to weight ratio.if regulations are laxed and 2 stroke outboards are become available again,hopefully the 4 stroke fad that helped to end them,will be over
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: AntiGov]
#8565394
2 hours ago
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Diggerman
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Im over two strokes, all of my worst memories fishing started with a two stroke. Also if anyone thinks for one minute that govt regulations some how are for the good of the people and the environment, and NOT money, just check any feel good enviro bill and see who the registered lobbyist are. It aint you!
Just the right amount of whelm.
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Re: Environmental deregulation
[Re: Diggerman]
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22 minutes ago
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Arkansas
Bdaniel
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Arkansas
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Im over two strokes, all of my worst memories fishing started with a two stroke. Also if anyone thinks for one minute that govt regulations some how are for the good of the people and the environment, and NOT money, just check any feel good enviro bill and see who the registered lobbyist are. It aint you! Sorry to hear that..
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