Your thoughts on these two traps for fox and coon. I would put wild river pans on the 1.65.

For just fox and coon, id go 450. Already has a wide jaw face and P.I.T. pan from the factory, pretty much pull out of the box and set

Both are excellent for fox and coon,MB will be more $$$ but it's a much better built footholds.Higher theft area 1.65's.

All private property but I am going with the mb I think.

Go with the MB. I am not a fan of putting on a non factory pan on a trap.

I've never used either specifically, but from my experience with the brands, the MB is a much higher quality trap. Another benefit is that the MB's come out of the box ready to go. No pan adjustment needed 98% of the time. And the thicker jaw face provides better holding power, especially with the coon.

MB 450

MB 450, I don't think you will be needing the increased jaw size of the 1.65 and definitely not an oversized pan.

For just fox and coon, I'd look at the Duke Pro Series 450 - Half Offset also a well built trap. Created for the fox live trap market.

That was the next question. What jaw type, there are a lot of coyote out here so I was thinking 1/2 off set

With a 1/2" offset you will lose all your coon. Or did you mean buy half of them offset? I would personally just use the stock pan if using a 1.65. I have taken coyotes by both front feet in stock 1.65 bridgers.

Closed jaw, I have no problem holding yotes in 450 cj

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