Martentrapper, Here in Ohio the land owner owns, on navigable water, the land under the water. The state does own the water but not the land under it. That plus on road frontage, the land owner owns right out to the center line on the road. Back when fur was worth something there were many heated exchanges with bridge trappers.

Michigan is the same and years ago I was one of those involved in a few permission disputes between trappers trespassing and those with permission! Back in the day, many road trappers plead ignorance. LOL

I give you credit for your optimisim, but I would not consider only retaining some trapping rights on certain waters a win at all, just less of a loss. We are not winning in MN when they take only some of our gun rights.

we have a very small amount of room left in Montana and some folks from Oregon are taking advantage of that fact. But not to sure they are pro beaver trappers.

In New Mexico we aren't supposed to trap on public land, a court case brought by fishermen{ I think}, the court ruled that the public water flows over public land. I trap beaver for several acequas or ditches in New Mexico I can't get a permit to trap out of season but during the season I trap beaver on public land and water!!? Here in the north the Mexican-American war never ended, Iam almost considered a year round summer person!

Here some registerd traplines have private land within the boundaries of the RTL To trap the private land you need a written permission from the landowner.The landowner can give permission to trap to someone other than the RTL trapper if he chooses.
If there is a beaver pond or lake within the private land and it is acessable from an RTL by a navigable watereay the fur in the lake and waterway belong to the RTL trapper not the private land trapper,even if no permission was given to anyone or not.
Was settled that way in a courcase here a few years ago.RTL trapper in these cases cannot set on any land only in the water(floats beaver or rat houses or beaver dam or under the ice.

In Oregon there are just a few "officially" designated navigable waterways. But the original state's definition of what is navigable holds that if a waterway was used for the transport of people or goods prior to statehood in 1859 than it is "navigable" and the state or the feds own the water and the land under it.

I therefore will hold to the original definition in my trapping and if a game warden sees it differently we will see each other in court.

The USSC determined what is public with regards to waterways, and this trumps state law. They said that any waterway that could be or was used for commerce (travel on it to transport goods) is therefore designated as "navigable". "Navigable" waters have the land under them and up to "the ordinary high water mark" as state owned land. Ohio is wrong in their designation of public "navigable" lands as private when it comes to waterways. Trappers are missing the boat by not suing to get their rights back. Also in oregon, I bet there are more navigable streams than the state recognizes.

Dean, a study done about 30 years ago in Oregon (sponsored by a Steelhead Fisherman group) showed that at least 300 waterways in Oregon should be designated so.

Carl,
How do they treat channels or tributaries off these "impaired waterways"? Also channels or tributaries off navigable waters? I'm wondering if a small channel off a navigable waterway is still part of that navigable waterway, and if it is not and a stream is considered impaired is the tributary treated differently than the impaired waterway.

The maps show channels to be part of the river at least on the Willamette when I look at the navigable river interactive maps. If it is a tributary I think it would only be the mouth officially anyway. There is so much gray area that it will be quite a challenge for law enforcement.

But thanks for bring that up. It will be mentioned when we get together with the Furbearer coordinator.

Give the Democrats time. They will solve the confusion by eliminating all beaver trapping.

Dang it Steven...I hate it when you're right.

Hang in there OR beaver trappers before long you'll be told that the beaver relocaters can trap beaver wherever so the beaver can be relocated by the relocating organization but when you go to set where allowed to by the state the beaver relocators get in your face and say you can't trap relocated beaver and mess with your traps. Just look north across the OR/WA state line and see the example I talk about.

Just remember, all of this is made possible by animal protectionists using some junk science about how beaver are the answer to impaired waters.

But go ahead, and vote democrat anyway. It’ll be OK!

Lawsuits are all the government and other groups understand, unfortunately.