Got a big one south of the city here and now another going in north of the drying up Great Salt lake !!

People up in arms about both the older one hardly heard a thing about, the newer one is going through like a slow train
but keeps on moving, every new notice about it gets a new barrage of protesters, but usually gets through that with little effort.

Going to have them regards of what people say, it's the future you know, along with the new release of 90 year old data about UFO's

Government is and always has been for it's self, the rest of us limp around the best we can do !!

They are building a data center 6 miles north of me. They bought up 800 acres of land including a farm I owned. There was a farm next to all the land they bought. The data center then decided to put in their own power plant. They wanted to buy the farm next to it but the woman said that she would never sell her farm. They wanted to next thing ya know, she sold her 79 acres for$7,900,000.00

Here the data centers are promoting the number of jobs that they will create in the local community. Realize that these jobs are temporary only during the construction phase. After being built, few people are required to maintain an autonomous running facility. The local governments have few regulations currently in place for facilities as large as the ones being proposed, allowing these facilities pretty much free rein in what they can do and build without much oversight. Arrangements and the process are not being fully disclosed between the companies and local governments and utilities, being described as discussions only.



Citizen concerns are, who will be paying for the cost of energy and water utilities. Utility companies are already asking to increase rates in anticipation of facility upgrade expenses. Why should the citizens bear the increase costs for facilities upgrades and subsidize the cost of operating energy and water for a facility the citizens do not want. It's not only local people objecting, why should people have to support data center operations though increased utilities' costs that are hundreds of miles distant from these data centers? In addition to farm lands that data centers will be sitting on being taken out of production, local tax breaks are being given to the facilities owners. These facilities are being built to support the expansion of AI, which while providing limited benefits to individuals; primarily benefit the commercial and surveillance operations of the large technology companies. And let's not forget the government is using the data to survey on the citizenry also.

There are feeling of 'Skynet' being driven down the throats of the people without their input and the fear that with the overall increase in economist inflation this will be one more cost the that data centers will not be fully supporting. People only want data center operators to pay for the full costs of the facilities, utility upgrades and cost of operations!

It’s not about money, it’s about history and principle. I get it, a lot of people don’t understand that, but to each their own. The area I farm has been bringing a minimum of $30,000 an acre long before the Data Centers came in with their six figure offers. None of this is speculation, it’s facts. None of it interest me. As a landowner it should be my choice if I don’t want to sell something I own; big money and big govt do not seem to agree

It’s ironic; when my Dad was still alive he watched one or 2 episodes of Yellowstone. He refused to watch anymore; he said he was living it every day and didn’t need any extra exposure to it

Our power infrastructure has been abysmal for at least 40 years due to the aftermath of Three Mile Island and the resultant hand wringing. Maybe the need for these data centers will finally be the stimulus needed to upgrade the power grid. That would be a good thing.

There is Data center being built just North of Indianapolis off of interstate 65. It sits on 1500 acres and estimated cost is 10 billion. Its a big complex, I heard today they will be done with the dirt work around November.

There are several planned for my gemeral area in southeast PA. People have been railing against them from the beginning. I don't think they realize they are a done deal, most already have the go-ahead from the local supervisors/zoning/planning boards. All that ginned-up outrage is just wasted breath.

I have two issues with them. One is the rising cost of electricity which at least two local utilities (PPL and First Energy) have blamed on the cost of building out their infrastructures to accommodate the increased demand of the data centers.

As someGuyInKansas mentioned, there is a push by lawmakers to make the companies building these mega-centers to pay for the necessary infrastructure upgrades in the electrical grid themselves. I believe it is too little too late because our electric costs have increased over 30% in the last year. I don't see them going back down.

White17, That's the first I heard of data centers planning on-site electric generation plants. I don't believe any of the proposed centers in my area have any such plans.

My second problem with them is the continued loss of farmland.

One in particular in South Whitehall Twp. will take up 410 acres of land currently being farmed. the land is owned by a family-owned corporation that has over 3,000 acres across 42 continual properties. Most of it is farmland. The brother and sister are getting old and the heirs want no part of it so they have begun liquidating. They have already sold off about a thousand acres. Old stone houses and barns were razed and a new hospital was built. A housing development is planned.

When I think about the loss of farmland since I was young I sometimes wonder where our food will come from if it continues.

Here's a little bit

https://www.bloomenergy.com/blog/on...ill-dominate-data-center-market-by-2028/

If data centers would improve the average American citizens life
They wouldn't be building them
Some of these centers will be supplied power from a micro nuclear reactor they build on site
I thought they are bad?

They are building one about 8 miles from me. Huge footprint.
Now they have broken ground the public is trying to stop it.
Once permits are signed on public utilities good luck. Neighbors tried to stop the cell tower i have on my farm. Didn't happen. 99 year contract. Check comes every month.

Thanks for the articles White. The Three Mile Island article was particularly interesting.l It sounds like Microsoft is forking over big bucks to help get Reactor Two back up and running but Gov. Shapiro is involved and "helping" and that almost certainly means taxpayer money will be thrown at the project as well as sweetheart deals ( long-term tax cuts).

Also, I didn't read anything in any of the articles that pointed to data center companies building on site generation plants. Bloom Energy and Siemens Energy wishes they would but didn't mention any takers. I suppose it might be a contract violation to disclose that information though.

They have plans to build atleast 4 that I know of all within 30 minutes of me. The Project Sail is supposed to be the largest data center in the whole country. Alot of people are opposing them but like normal they will hold their little BS town hall and public meetings but they will always go through despite public backlash. You can’t stop that money!

I see nothing positive coming from the surveillance centers. They contribute absolutely nothing to the communities they invade, they produce no long term jobs, they put more strain on the local infrastructure. The billionaire developers line the pockets of the commissioners, and zoning board members with stacks of money, they get tax abatements and the people that live in the communities are left with the bill because when the abatements run out, so do the surveillance centers. Pay close attention to your community leaders and stay in their ears so that they hopefully don't get bought off. Nothing good will come of these surveillance centers.

another issue is while the data centers are being built all other construction suffers.
More demand than supply of workers.

There is one being built about 20 some miles south of me.
On the drive down that way we counted 53 dump trucks on the move.
This has been going on for about 6 months.

I fear that data centers, AI, flock cameras, facial recognition and all this tech is going to be bad for the average Joe.
Good for big business and big government.

Retired after 32 years of service as an industrial electrician. Only retired at the beginning of the year. Old company keeps calling me to come back. Tempting, but the fish isn't big enough yet. If the rumor comes true, I could go back for 1 month, and reach my SS allowed max earnings limit and be done. There is such a demand that job openings go unfilled. Alot of illegals filling the jobs. Previous coworker working one of the Data Centers in Cedar Rapids Iowa swears he seen Bernie from the movie Weekend at Bernies propped up in a corner drawing a paycheck. People are (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) about the tax breaks they are given. The amount of payroll taxes, sales taxes and everything else is astronomical that is being generated. No hotel rooms and outrageous rent being paid. It's called progress. Hard to stop it.

Who will get priority on electricity when thay all come on line and need more than we are producing. Everyone ready for 1000% increas in your electricity bill?


We have one going in about 7 or several miles from my farm and a 2nd about 45 mins away.

The Bank of ND invested millions in data centers. Everyone is pushing for them to the point its like they are paid too. They never ask the general public in the state what they thought. I don't have a cell phone, so I am good as is.