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Re: Data Centers [Re: Gary Benson] #8615277
05/22/26 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
If people want cellphones and internet to work they have to let it happen.

Why? Are cell phone towers not going to work?


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Data Centers [Re: white17] #8615319
05/22/26 05:19 PM
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
Originally Posted by Gary Benson
If people want cellphones and internet to work they have to let it happen.

Why? Are cell phone towers not going to work?


Are you being serious?

Originally Posted by spjones
Would you rather the data centers be in China?

BTW the almond industry is far worse than data centers as far as water usage


Originally Posted by white17
I don't think that is the question.

This is going to happen whether we like it or not.
The question is....or should be IMO........

Do we want MSFT, GOOG, SPCX, META, AMZN. NVDA, PLTR, ANTHO.........etc to be the ones that build and operate it or do we want BIDU, Huawei, Deep Seek......etc to do it ?


Exactly, whether we like it or not the world is going to AI and become even more automated. It's already here in many facets. Personally I wish we would all goo back to dial up internet and no smart phones. I don't think I'll like what is coming. Just like the trans continental railway, there isn't any stopping the AI train. If we don't do it our adversaries will. My belief is a lot of this anti propaganda is funded by china.

It will require more data centers.


"Gold is money, everything else is just credit" JP Morgan
Re: Data Centers [Re: yotetrapper30] #8615342
05/22/26 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by yotetrapper30
Originally Posted by Lugnut


Interesting article, thanks yote. Their begging for money due to a seemingly severe case of TDS was off-putting, but the article was informative and interesting nonetheless. One bit of information not present was whether or not transmission lines were built into the Colossus sites so excess energy could be sold back to the local utility.


Yeah, about impossible to find unbiased news sources these days. This article has some bias as well but a bit more info about it. https://i10x.ai/news/xai-colossus-2-supercomputer-private-power-island?utm_source=copilot.com Colossus 2 is only about an hour north of me. As far as I can tell, Musk is not selling any energy back to the utilities. I think at this point they are still consuming more than they produce.


Another interesting article. This one makes it sound like Musk’s xAI is the first to build their own generation stations.

"Elon Musk’s xAI is constructing a first-of-its-kind AI campus, strategically split across two states. A new power generation facility in Southaven, Mississippi, will exclusively energize the massive "Colossus 2" supercomputer in Memphis, Tennessee, creating a vertically integrated system designed to house up to one million GPUs and operate at gigawatt scale..."

Perhaps they referring to the size and power of the generation stations.


Eh...wot?

Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615345
05/22/26 06:34 PM
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The plant to generate electricity for the data thing 6 miles north of me is going to produce 350 megawatts and is fueled by two 16 inch natural gas lines.
16 inch lines are huge.
The company building the data center is fully funding the power plant. The plant is called a “behind the meter” plant. That means they will use all of the power generated and no power will be put into public power grid.

Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615348
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Outlaw 99. Hang tough. It sucks to live on a place all your life and somebody decide "for the better good" we need your land. Had a main transmission line run across my homeplace taxes paid since the 1780s....private land so to speak. The county even thought it was a good place to connect a mountains to sea trail but luckily chose another route. We are in the fastest growing county in nc and all the big wheels think everything is for sale. Ive told more than one not even a shovelfull, path goes out the same way you came in. A lot of folks dont get it

Re: Data Centers [Re: Joco1995] #8615363
05/22/26 06:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Joco1995
Outlaw 99. Hang tough. It sucks to live on a place all your life and somebody decide "for the better good" we need your land. Had a main transmission line run across my homeplace taxes paid since the 1780s....private land so to speak. The county even thought it was a good place to connect a mountains to sea trail but luckily chose another route. We are in the fastest growing county in nc and all the big wheels think everything is for sale. Ive told more than one not even a shovelfull, path goes out the same way you came in. A lot of folks dont get it


Exactly, you get it!


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Re: Data Centers [Re: Lugnut] #8615365
05/22/26 07:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Lugnut

Another interesting article. This one makes it sound like Musk’s xAI is the first to build their own generation stations.

"Elon Musk’s xAI is constructing a first-of-its-kind AI campus, strategically split across two states. A new power generation facility in Southaven, Mississippi, will exclusively energize the massive "Colossus 2" supercomputer in Memphis, Tennessee, creating a vertically integrated system designed to house up to one million GPUs and operate at gigawatt scale..."

Perhaps they referring to the size and power of the generation stations.




From this article about Colossus 2, dated 7 months ago, there is mention of other AI companies building their own generation plants. And, in AI speed, 7 months equals about "several" years, lol. A lot can happen in "several" months.

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The hyperscalers are no longer just running data centers, they’re building power plants to fuel AI faster and cheaper.



https://anastasiintech.substack.com/p/new-colossus-2-the-worlds-largest


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Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615443
05/22/26 08:34 PM
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I am for data centers as long as they result in raising the global temperature just high enough to combat the coming of the next ice age.

Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615495
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What is the correlation between data centers and Bitcoin?

Ol dad

Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615506
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I guess nobody watched Terminator. Skynet is here.


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615569
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They really need to know everything about you.
Such as when you have your phone in your pocket, and you aren't even using it, and you tell your significant other your safe combination number, how much cash you have ( and didn't report as income to the IRS), how many guns you have, that "oil filter" that screws on the end of your rifle barrel thst you just had to tell your friend about, that conversation you had with your "side chick", and on and on....
They need to store this information somewhere, geez.


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Re: Data Centers [Re: ] #8615597
05/23/26 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Savell
… some cool comments in here and all that

… but nobody answered my question about if the data center and ai stuff is why Trump said he’s stapling green cards to foreigners diplomas

… I know there’s some smart people on this forum that could explain how that’s a good idea

…. I’m too dumb to figure it out in my own


More than likely. I am currently in year 5 of higher education. Most of my classmates cannot fathom how (.2*40)+(.4*60)+(.6*80) = 80.

We have to face that our education system has completely failed our youth. I only know how to the solve that problem as I took the time to learn the simple process afterwards.

Trump is rubber stamping chinks green cards, because as white17 alluded to earlier in this post, if we don't develop this technology THEY will. And WE don't have the quality of people to beat them at that game. So, in order to do so... we have to rob their's.

Just my opinion.


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Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615599
05/23/26 01:05 AM
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Meta has a large one underway in Louisiana. The land was originally owned by the same guy that owned land for a hunting lease I belonged to decades ago.

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Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615600
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That's 3rd grade level math. Its sad someone getting a Masters in Business Administration can't solve that.

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Re: Data Centers [Re: ] #8615602
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Originally Posted by Savell
^^^ yeah and there’s a reason our education system has failed

…. Equality is a myth

…. And there’s some theories out there as to why that was forced upon us

…. But maybe we focus on getting back to what we were … promote ideas that are healthy and productive… maybe even say we should try to ascend to greater heights than our ancestors… rather than regress in the name of egalitarianism

… just a thought

… or maybe just give up and staple green cards to Indian diplomas and get used to the smell of bo and curried rice



Equality IS a myth..... 100%

And you can believe whatever you choose to believe regarding about how it came to be embraced here, because in the end how it happened matters not at all.......

I'm 100% with you as well on getting back to where we were.

But can we do that by next week, or next year?

I know you know we cannot so........

what should we do in the meantime??


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Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615606
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I think that if there any true men left in Europe, of European descent, that it's going to kick off there soon. I think most of the third world people, especially the Muslims, will be driven from Europe.

If that happens, the same will likely happen here, but more peacefully.

Keith

Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615674
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I get a kick out of people saying we have to beat China to the tech. You are in a hurry to be under a total communist regime, huh? You don't think we are already being tracked closely enough and desire to have your bank account frozen if you don't worship your elected leaders at all times?


Right now I’m having amnesia and déjà vu at the same time. I think I’ve forgotten this before.
Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615690
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Savell, you'd be interested in my vertically integrated organ harvesting, chipper and feed plant, alongside hog and chicken ranches.....win win... smirk

Re: Data Centers [Re: PAskinner] #8615725
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Originally Posted by PAskinner
I get a kick out of people saying we have to beat China to the tech. You are in a hurry to be under a total communist regime, huh? You don't think we are already being tracked closely enough and desire to have your bank account frozen if you don't worship your elected leaders at all times?

I'm afraid this is where we're headed, no matter who wins what.


American Karens - not a fan
Re: Data Centers [Re: ol' dad] #8615762
05/23/26 01:25 PM
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I can't fathom the endless money available to build these things and it shows me the values and morals of the society we live in. Our local officials used some underhanded principles to bypass the public input. Once it was in motion the cry for mercy was......If we don't build these our school system is going to suffer we need the tax revenue. So.... billions of dollars are being spent , so the schools can receive a 15% tax revenue. Puny handout from a greedy society

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