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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8623860
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I think the March sale is a “dealers only sale” because the bobcats belonging to dealers are the only ones that didn’t sell due to high values.

The past couple of years FH has NOT offered any fresh cats at all on the March sale. All fresh cats (meaning cats that were shipped during the 26-27 fur season) were held for the June sale.

They do this for several reasons -

- by offering all fresh cats at one sale, they are able to offer the best collection possible.

- the last receiving date for the March sale is early enough that many cat trappers, especially in the west, are still trapping and don’t have their pelts ready to ship

- MOST important reason - processing bobcats (and other CITES species) takes a lot of time and man power. Every tag has to be recorded and double checked. If even one digit is not correct, the entire shipment can be delayed. USF&W is very thorough in checking CITES tags. Because of this long process, FH chooses to do bobcats all at one time and that is for the second sale. Which makes sense to me.


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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8623862
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thats ok its there sale they can offer what they want but dont sugar coated it tell the truth. march recieving dates allow same amount of time the june one does. FHA never had any troulbe with cities unless big buyers still have large percentage of cats there. and its always march sale they have trouble with never the june sale.bottom line they want to only offer buyers cats so the only option is to buy those cats.... i exported hundreds of cats threw cities process last year with no issues.

Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8623980
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Wissmiss and others, question on the March sales/CITES items.

I understand the bobcats are held until the June sale. Is this just cats or is it all CITES items?

For example, if I send otter before the shipping deadline for the march sale, are they sold on the march or june sale?


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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8623988
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i would call F.H.A before shipping no sense shipping in january if there not going to make the march sale.

Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: wissmiss] #8623991
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Originally Posted by wissmiss
Point well taken. You are correct.

I still think 94% sold is too high. Guess we will see when the sold catalog is posted in a couple of weeks.


Initial report was 82% sold, If in the fact it is true at 94% then that means they could have been 12% private treaty sales afterward which I am not sure will show up in the catalog. I do recall peeler saying he had two cats sell private treaty out of his lots. Mark likes to hold over some cats for the March sale because as we know there is not as many consigned. I think he will push the price on the better stuff in June or if he feels the price is to cheap to hold it for March.Also you need supply to attract buyers.

Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8624008
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Coondagger2 - I don’t know the answer to your question. I would ask FH directly.


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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8624011
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The way I remember NAFA and probably FHA is PT sales within a day or two after the Auction are added to sold sales percentage. Nothing new there. Probably why they call it Final results as opposed to day 1,2,or 3 results

I'm with wallfur. First I heard they were not offering fur that made the shipping deadline on the next available sale, I suspected reindeer games. March is usually where you want your fur sold. Not the 10% off sale in May or June.

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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8624037
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I posted the following a few days ago on another thread:


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My understanding was that all lynx cats on the March sale were either hold over pelts or fresh pelts from Canada. No fresh lynx cats from the US due to Cites processing. All US collected lynx cats were held and then processed for the June sale. Same with otters and lynx.



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QuietButDeadly - I think your understanding is 100% correct. I agree completely with your statement



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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8624041
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Nancy if what I hear is true, maybe they didn't offer cats in March was because their graders were too busy....


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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: Steven 49er] #8624067
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Originally Posted by Steven 49er
Nancy if what I hear is true, maybe they didn't offer cats in March was because their graders were too busy....


They didn't have many cats to grade as they were holding all (USA) received cats on the US side of the border until after the last receiving date for June. That's what I was told so that they could just do CITES paperwork once.

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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8624075
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definitely find out what sale your cats will be on before shipping early for the march sale.trappers that shipped in january for the march sale and then got held for june sale could have put there fur on county sales in march and then ship for june sale if they didnt like the prices in the country....most western sales averaged higher for the western cats in march on the state sales than fha sale in june.

Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: Slick Pan] #8624080
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Originally Posted by Slick Pan
Originally Posted by wissmiss
Point well taken. You are correct.

I still think 94% sold is too high. Guess we will see when the sold catalog is posted in a couple of weeks.


Initial report was 82% sold, If in the fact it is true at 94% then that means they could have been 12% private treaty sales afterward which I am not sure will show up in the catalog. I do recall peeler saying he had two cats sell private treaty out of his lots. Mark likes to hold over some cats for the March sale because as we know there is not as many consigned. I think he will push the price on the better stuff in June or if he feels the price is to cheap to hold it for March.Also you need supply to attract buyers.

I actually had three in one lot that the hammer didn't fall for. They were valued at $200 but by the end of the day they showed up as sold for $150. So i guess they were PT'ed later in the day.


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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: wallfur] #8624081
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Originally Posted by wallfur
definitely find out what sale your cats will be on before shipping early for the march sale.trappers that shipped in january for the march sale and then got held for june sale could have put there fur on county sales in march and then ship for june sale if they didnt like the prices in the country....most western sales averaged higher for the western cats in march on the state sales than fha sale in june.

That could be misleading though if most of all the better cats were bought back in June.


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Re: FHA auction shotgun start ! [Re: trapperman222] #8624085
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yes i agree averages dont tell the whole story most of the time... fha only averages there better cats only no damage in there average and if there bought back you got to wait another year for your check with no guarantee of a higher price....but my point being you can put your cats on the country before you ship instead of fha holding the for 6 to 7 months. lots more options that way....lower grade cats will do better at fha ( china buyers) higher end cats do better in the country.....normally

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