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Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: k snow] #8661468
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Originally Posted by k snow
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The general consensus used to be you would never run out of deer, even in high cwd prevalence areas, just because deer continue to bred and does continue to give birth because it is usually an extended time from cwd contraction until death by cwd.

That still may be the case, but the AR study proved it wasnt the case if doe hunting was still allowed at elevated levels - a limit of three does during five weeks of firearm season - was too much. They literally killed out the deer in one of the three study areas. This year will see a a one doe limit with a firearm for about 12 days.

While many on this thread believe what they experience is true everywhere - that is not the case. Conditions affecting deer densities vary all over the country. People from WI who live in high infection rate cwd areas claim to see many deer. I believe them (but they dont seem to believe me grin). But when looking at their hunting regulations, it is fairly obvious they are trying to reduce deer densities because they allow special doe only seasons and you can purchase extra doe permits in many of these areas.

These differences in deer densities, habitat, hunter participation, etc - across the country - are the very reason why continued cwd research is needed. What works in WI will obviously not work in areas of AR - and vice versa. And other areas are most likely the same


We were allowed unlimited doe tags in the "eradication zone" for several years. That area is a semi urban, suburban mix of small farms, rural homes, and very steep terrain. Lots of room for deer to go to avoid hunting pressure.
All that seemed to accomplish was to concentrate deer in low pressure. There was no way that the deer in that area would ever be "eradicated".


In AR, it was not just the mortality caused by hunting, it was also additive mortality caused by deer literally dying of cwd. Fawn recruitment could not keep up with both hunter harvest and cwd mortality

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8661494
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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs


In AR, it was not just the mortality caused by hunting, it was also additive mortality caused by deer literally dying of cwd. Fawn recruitment could not keep up with both hunter harvest and cwd mortality


This^^^ is currently the real threat created by CWD. In areas that continue to increase in CWD prevalence the loss to CWD will increase. With common deer mortality caused by predation, road-kills, other diseases (EHD), and hunters, in addition to increasing CWD losses....populations in some areas will not be able to maintain growth and will even struggle to hold at their current levels.

When this happens, the first mortality cause that will be eliminated to slow the population decline is the only one that can actually be eliminated.....legal hunting...starting with no antlerless harvests and possibly shortened seasons.

If you're losing blood, but you can't stop what's making the cuts, then your only option is to try and stop the bleeding.

It has been proven that increased CWD losses will put pressure on deer recruitment (NW Arkansas study.) It is a slow progression but it will happen.

I feel consuming untested venison is much less of a risk than what our deer populations are facing in the long term with large areas of potential population declines.

If you knowingly consume/feed your family or friends a KNOWN positive deer...well that's just STUPID.


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Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8661501
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs


In AR, it was not just the mortality caused by hunting, it was also additive mortality caused by deer literally dying of cwd. Fawn recruitment could not keep up with both hunter harvest and cwd mortality


This^^^ is currently the real threat created by CWD. In areas that continue to increase in CWD prevalence the loss to CWD will increase. With common deer mortality caused by predation, road-kills, other diseases (EHD), and hunters, in addition to increasing CWD losses....populations in some areas will not be able to maintain growth and will even struggle to hold at their current levels.

When this happens, the first mortality cause that will be eliminated to slow the population decline is the only one that can actually be eliminated.....legal hunting...starting with no antlerless harvests and possibly shortened seasons.

If you're losing blood, but you can't stop what's making the cuts, then your only option is to try and stop the bleeding.

It has been proven that increased CWD losses will put pressure on deer recruitment (NW Arkansas study.) It is a slow progression but it will happen.

I feel consuming untested venison is much less of a risk than what our deer populations are facing in the long term with large areas of potential population declines.

If you knowingly consume/feed your family or friends a KNOWN positive deer...well that's just STUPID.


I am right there with you. I am not that concerned about eating a cwd positive deer because I wont knowingly do that. I am worried more about other areas (my area included), experiencing what NW AR experienced.

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8661503
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I don't follow the Michigan CWD saga that closely so the following numbers might not be perfect but it's what comes to mind for here.

We have been doing some version of testing/surveillance for a long time. I'd guess maybe 20-25 years. I seem to recall it starting with TB surveillance and then sorta morphing into CWD by the mid 2000s timeframe. However, the first CWD positive wasnt found until about a decade ago. Pretty sure it was 2015 or 2016 as it took place not that far away from me and at the time we all wondered what it meant. Seems to me that testing has been all over the place since then. I remember a brief period when we were to get everything tested and now it think the DNR does it on more of a random/rotating sample by county.

I recall reading some newsletter from DNR this summer that CWD has been found in around 20 counties over last few years primarily in wild herd but also recently in captive cervids. It seems to be primarily in the southern ag zone where there are unbelievably high deer concentrations. But the number of total positives isnt that great---maybe 400 or something like that. And only one county had a substantial number of those positives. For the most part it seems like the southern herd across a fairly large chunk of ground has some CWD but its not impacting a high percentage of the herd. Maybe theres more out there that the testing doesnt reach but this herd is huge with the sides of the roads littered with dead deer year round. Its hard to picture the herd being wiped out by CWD in combination with too much hunting pressure. Years/decades of begging people to kill does hasnt made any impact in the numbers. So far the only reliable way to see the herd decrease across the southern part of the state is for there to be dry enough conditions that EHD locally wipes out the deer. If the herd was drastically impacted by CWD there would be lots of upset hunters. BUT a good portion of the folks that make a living in agriculture and end up feeding those long legged vermin in the southern part of the state also have fairly strong lobbyists at the state capital and might feel differently.

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8661515
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You might find it interesting that I tried to document a sick deer in December. I don't think we can post videos here can we? They didn't seem to believe me.


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Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8661516
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I didn't read all the thread pages, so please explain to me what Georgia is studying on the topic and what's the plan going forward?

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: WI Outdoors] #8661606
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
I didn't read all the thread pages, so please explain to me what Georgia is studying on the topic and what's the plan going forward?

Georgia DNR is still trying to determine the prevalence in the three counties (5-mile radius of each positive) where the 16 positives have been detected. There are two distinct areas about 15 miles apart (14 postives from one large area that stretches about 8 linear miles and 2 positives at one location 15 miles away.)

So, to answer your question...I'm unaware of any formal CWD field research in Georgia. They may be looking closer at the samples in a lab setting for comparison, etc. I am aware of genetic research underway to determine all the whitetail subspecies in Georgia (restocking deer from all over in the 50s and 60s) and I'd venture to say that any genetic-CWD connection, if any, will be looked at. For example...is a certain genetic marker more likely to contract CWD. In South Georgia alone there are 4 to 6 subspecies of whitetails....so there could be info from the 16 positives.

We have Virginia, Northern, Kansas, Seminole, Blackbeard Island, and native whitetails here and they have been mixing chromosomes for decades.

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Currently, Georgia's plan is to continue collecting samples (to determine a more accurate prevalence rate.) Continue to samples statewide (to determines if CWD is elsewhere in the State.) Continue offering free and convenient testing to hunters (to hopefully maintain public support.) Baiting/feeding is still allowed, but reccomended to eliminate trough and gravity-type feeders, move spinners occasionally, and spread feed on the ground over several hundred sq feet. Testing is NOT mandatory. Drop off freezers are in place at dozens of location for heads. Heads are picked up weekly. After nodes are removed...the heads are incinerated at a DNR facility. Once a positive is detected , the hunter(s) are asked to increase sampling in that area, but it isn't mandatory and DNR-coordinated shooters (USDA WS) won't get involved unless it's public land...which hasn't occurred, yet.

Where we go from here is as unknown as it is in most other states.


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Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8661621
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Looks like me best drop off testing place is about an hour and half one one way. Its down by my other house.

Looks like I will be visiting family more this year whan I drop heads off

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8661674
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Swamp Wolf, what do you think your DNR should be doing?

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: WI Outdoors] #8661696
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Originally Posted by WI Outdoors
Swamp Wolf, what do you think your DNR should be doing?

Exactly what they are doing.


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Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8661705
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The southern states, which are newer to the cwd game than a lot of the more northern states, in my opinion tend to react to news of cwd in a less passive manner than did the northern states. Typically no, or reduced targeting and sharpshooting, and still allowing feeders. My county just came under cwd regs. There are transportation restrictions, did away with apr, and allowing baiting only from Sep 1 to end of Dec. Did not change seasons or bag limits. No mandatory testing. There are freezers available for drop off. Most hunters here did not test in my county

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8661725
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I still do not understand the logic.

I do want to protect the deer herd. Absolutely!! But CWD is found in the plants they consume. This being a method of transmission.

Apparently deer can transmit from deer to deer through nose contact, I guess?

Prions survive 1,000F. Think about that. An average grill gets to about 500F. Imagine double that and the prions still survive.

It is in the wild food they eat. We can't stop that.

We can stop nose contact if we kill ALL of them.

As far as limits and mortality go, just do a population survey and adjust the season and limits to the population. Talking about CWD in cervids only helps the anti crowd. The antis will have fantastic propaganda.

"Don't eat the meat. It could kill you!"
"A large majority of the population is infected. Best to leave them alone."
"It's a horrible and painful brain disease and you can catch it and DIE!"
"See what happens when hunters transplant deer?"

This will do nothing to help recruit new hunters.

Just quietly adjust the seasons and limits and let the public complain. If they ask tell them the truth. There is nothing that can be done about this. Keeping talking about it will not benefit the deer population or hunting deer in general.

Nothing good will come from this and lots of tax payer money, your money, is being wasted due to lack of participation. Testing is NOT free. We pay for it through taxes. Nothing is free from the government.

Again, I get the concern. But until they find an effective way to kill prions, the cause of CWD, BSE, CJD and scrapie, tax money and time will continue to be wasted. Find the cure, not how many have it.

But if you do find a cure, how will it be administered? No way you can get all of them. Massive undertaking requiring massive amounts of money.

One more time. Just quietly adjust the seasons and limits. Stop talking about it. It is not beneficial.


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Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: bowhunter27295] #8661743
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Originally Posted by bowhunter27295
I still do not understand the logic.

I do want to protect the deer herd. Absolutely!! But CWD is found in the plants they consume. This being a method of transmission.

Apparently deer can transmit from deer to deer through nose contact, I guess?

Prions survive 1,000F. Think about that. An average grill gets to about 500F. Imagine double that and the prions still survive.

It is in the wild food they eat. We can't stop that.

We can stop nose contact if we kill ALL of them.

As far as limits and mortality go, just do a population survey and adjust the season and limits to the population. Talking about CWD in cervids only helps the anti crowd. The antis will have fantastic propaganda.

"Don't eat the meat. It could kill you!"
"A large majority of the population is infected. Best to leave them alone."
"It's a horrible and painful brain disease and you can catch it and DIE!"
"See what happens when hunters transplant deer?"

This will do nothing to help recruit new hunters.

Just quietly adjust the seasons and limits and let the public complain. If they ask tell them the truth. There is nothing that can be done about this. Keeping talking about it will not benefit the deer population or hunting deer in general.

Nothing good will come from this and lots of tax payer money, your money, is being wasted due to lack of participation. Testing is NOT free. We pay for it through taxes. Nothing is free from the government.

Again, I get the concern. But until they find an effective way to kill prions, the cause of CWD, BSE, CJD and scrapie, tax money and time will continue to be wasted. Find the cure, not how many have it.

But if you do find a cure, how will it be administered? No way you can get all of them. Massive undertaking requiring massive amounts of money.

One more time. Just quietly adjust the seasons and limits. Stop talking about it. It is not beneficial.



You forgot it can stay in the soil for at least 16 years. Can be born with it, can be infected for 2 years befor showing any signs.

Honestly unless there's a cure or immunity developed i think this will kill off the whitetail within a few decades.

Im sure many will disagree and I hope im wrong but from what I read and saw how it works this is my
conclusion. Won't be any need to worry about hunter #'s. Personally I think that antler obsession has played a huge part in reducing hunter #s as well as contributing to the spread of cdw.

But now one wants to address that . But ist also somthing nothing can be done about.

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8661745
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Even though prions can be found in plants and continue to be present for years in the soil, the likelihood of transmission from ingestion of plants is on the low end. The likelihood of transfer of prions to deer from infected carcass parts such as bones is also in the lower end of the chance scale. Nearly every state has enacted carcass transport restrictions because there is a chance of transmission.

The PRIMARY & HIGHEST CHANCE for transmission and spread is deer to deer contact. Bucks cover more ground, especially in the fall, therefore they appear to be the most likely to spread CWD. They group up in the summer with other bucks and lick and groom each other daily. Does generally have a smaller home range and are in tight family units. Georgia DNR is attempting to get hunters to pick out adult does from different family units for harvest and testing...to help determine prevalence. The presence of a higher % of positive does...the longer CWD has been present in that area. A single buck or two....hard to know where he's been or came from. Deer herd dynamics 101.

DNR agencies CANNOT change anything related to laws and regulations "quietly." There is a legislative and/or administrative process that must be followed. The public wants to and will know.


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Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8661772
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I agree with bowhunter27295... I also think you can test till your blue in the face. Unless the prion problem is solved, it's just wasted money.

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #8662385
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Even though prions can be found in plants and continue to be present for years in the soil, the likelihood of transmission from ingestion of plants is on the low end. The likelihood of transfer of prions to deer from infected carcass parts such as bones is also in the lower end of the chance scale. Nearly every state has enacted carcass transport restrictions because there is a chance of transmission.

The PRIMARY & HIGHEST CHANCE for transmission and spread is deer to deer contact. Bucks cover more ground, especially in the fall, therefore they appear to be the most likely to spread CWD. They group up in the summer with other bucks and lick and groom each other daily. Does generally have a smaller home range and are in tight family units. Georgia DNR is attempting to get hunters to pick out adult does from different family units for harvest and testing...to help determine prevalence. The presence of a higher % of positive does...the longer CWD has been present in that area. A single buck or two....hard to know where he's been or came from. Deer herd dynamics 101.

DNR agencies CANNOT change anything related to laws and regulations "quietly." There is a legislative and/or administrative process that must be followed. The public wants to and will know.


I agree with everything you said.

Let's spend all that testing money on finding a cure or a method to control it. Testing for presence is a waste of time and money that could be MUCH better spent finding a CURE to SAVE the deer herd. We know it's here for goodness sake. Don't beat the dead horse.

Prions are very serious. Finding a way to control or eliminate prions should be top priority.


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Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: WhiteCliffs] #8662401
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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs


In AR, it was not just the mortality caused by hunting, it was also additive mortality caused by deer literally dying of cwd. Fawn recruitment could not keep up with both hunter harvest and cwd mortality



Don’t forget the 64% fawn mortality due to predation the Arkansas study also found!

Call me crazy, but if predators are knocking off 64% of your fawn crop annually, I’m blaming that long before CWD!


But boy they sure did their best to pin it on CWD!

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Originally Posted by WhiteCliffs
The southern states, which are newer to the cwd game than a lot of the more northern states, in my opinion tend to react to news of cwd in a less passive manner than did the northern states. Typically no, or reduced targeting and sharpshooting, and still allowing feeders. My county just came under cwd regs. There are transportation restrictions, did away with apr, and allowing baiting only from Sep 1 to end of Dec. Did not change seasons or bag limits. No mandatory testing. There are freezers available for drop off. Most hunters here did not test in my county


Maybe because they saw what they did in response to CWD up north, and none of it made one lick of difference!

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: BigBlackBirds] #8662463
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Originally Posted by BigBlackBirds
I don't follow the Michigan CWD saga that closely so the following numbers might not be perfect but it's what comes to mind for here.

We have been doing some version of testing/surveillance for a long time. I'd guess maybe 20-25 years. I seem to recall it starting with TB surveillance and then sorta morphing into CWD by the mid 2000s timeframe. However, the first CWD positive wasnt found until about a decade ago. Pretty sure it was 2015 or 2016 as it took place not that far away from me and at the time we all wondered what it meant. Seems to me that testing has been all over the place since then. I remember a brief period when we were to get everything tested and now it think the DNR does it on more of a random/rotating sample by county.

I recall reading some newsletter from DNR this summer that CWD has been found in around 20 counties over last few years primarily in wild herd but also recently in captive cervids. It seems to be primarily in the southern ag zone where there are unbelievably high deer concentrations. But the number of total positives isnt that great---maybe 400 or something like that. And only one county had a substantial number of those positives. For the most part it seems like the southern herd across a fairly large chunk of ground has some CWD but its not impacting a high percentage of the herd. Maybe theres more out there that the testing doesnt reach but this herd is huge with the sides of the roads littered with dead deer year round. Its hard to picture the herd being wiped out by CWD in combination with too much hunting pressure. Years/decades of begging people to kill does hasnt made any impact in the numbers. So far the only reliable way to see the herd decrease across the southern part of the state is for there to be dry enough conditions that EHD locally wipes out the deer. If the herd was drastically impacted by CWD there would be lots of upset hunters. BUT a good portion of the folks that make a living in agriculture and end up feeding those long legged vermin in the southern part of the state also have fairly strong lobbyists at the state capital and might feel differently.




Captive herds were the first place they found it in Michigan, not the other way around....

Re: Do you hunt in a CWD zone? [Re: charles] #8662474
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Youre likely correct. I can picture it being found in captives thru a surveillance program before the one was found around here. Any idea how far back that was for captive one? I'm sure the time frame I remember had to be around 2015 in wild one down here. I dont recall where they said the most recent positives in captive deer came from this summer. Earlier this year a guy started fencing a chunk of dirt by me. I figured he was getting in on the cattle craze but then I saw whitetails in it later. At first thought it was some type of venison table to farm thing but guess he has a high fence place up north and intends to keep breeding stock here.

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