I found this interesting and thought others might think so too.

Researchers are finding all sorts of new stuff out about Mayan civilization. Using LIDAR in the jungles of Guatemala, they have found over 60,000 unknown structures. Also canals, dykes, reservoirs, and other complex irrigation and travel systems including roads and bridges. This suggests that the area could have harbored millions of residents.

http://www.sciencealert.com/guatemala-maya-civilisation-lidar-vast-megalopolis-hidden-for-centuries

They have also just found vast underwater caves linking many of the cenotes. These new caves span vast distances and are full of all kinds of extinct megafauna, human remains, and other strange things. I'd really like to see pictures and descriptions of everything they are finding, but they aren't letting many details and pictures out.

http://www.sciencealert.com/world-s-largest-flooded-cave-discovered-under-mexico-yucatan-sac-actun

Real awesome info, always was interested in Mayan history, and what happened to them

Saw a show on The Travel channel about this.
Some guy (Josh Yates?) went down and investigated. He went diving in the underground caverns and they were huge.
They found what looked like sacrifices and lots of pottery underground, actually underwater because they believe there was a drought at that time.

I hadn't heard of the caves before, must be limestone there, cool info

Cool Stuff...makes a guy wonder at the age of the Earth.

I knew Aztec people did sacrifices, but didn't know Mayans did too, used to read about them years ago in school

For more in depth information on this subject try this book 1491 by Charles C. Mann.

Excellent read. Particularly interesting with respect to New England's millions of dead natives and grave robbing English folk.

I saw another article were they may have found the vector that killed off 80% of the population. They are pretty sure it was a European strain of course.

I've fished between Tulum and Belize a lot over the years and they built some amazing stuff indeed. They had ways of navigating the reefs at night using small fires on top of their temples for boats to find the safe passages from well offshore. I've seen one of the rocks they would use to bend a person over to cut out their heart for sacrifice.

No doubt it was a huge civilization.

Pete

Less than 50 years for the Spanish to reduce 30 million Mexicans to less than 3 million. No single vector, all European diseases were devastating to the indigenous peoples. Of course when a town was dying it was natural to send a messenger to neighboring towns and yes the messengers carried the sickness along with the news.

Based on a few other discoveries around the world, I will not surprised if they discover it to be an earlier civilization that predates the Inca and Mayan peoples

Show 1.9 must be the one i watched.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expedition_Unknown

They’ve also figured out that it was likely a form of salmonella that wiped most of
Them out.

Funny thing is they found an old crushed up can a Mountain Dew buried with that stuff. The Mayans invented it a bajillion years ago. Makes sense

Yes Sir Tac.20 about limestone in the area! Most of the Yucatan peninsula and parts of Belize and Guatemala are flat as a pancake and made up of limestone. There are no rivers or creeks that flow through the Yucatan and other similar areas. As far as we know, the Mayan folks that lived there relied on the underground rivers and cenotes which contained fresh water in order to sustain them.

Thank you cpizzcharlie and tjm. I just bought that book on Amazon, and looking forward to reading it!!

I spent 2 months studying about central America while living in the Yucatan and have never heard of that book.

That's sure different, couple caves in se MN, limestone there, many sink holes by Harmony, MN ,
I forget, were the Mayan's gone before the Spanish came?

Yup seen that on Sci channel. I think it's called Secrets of The Underground or Mystery of the Missing or something like that. I like that show.

Pete,

I know what you are talking about. I've seen those places to and now it gives me a lot of pause.

I've been to Chichen Itza and Uxmal. It was back in the day though when they still let you climb the pyramids. I was young and dumb back then, and remember puffing a cigarette while on top of those pyramids........the things that don't cross your mind when your are young.

When I was down there, one of the things I remember very well is that most of the pyramids and other structures were intentionally buried. The burying hid them in the jungle because they were covered in large trees and looked like forested hills. Instead, they were ancient structures that were intentionally buried by someone and time/succession has made them look like natural hills in the flat landscape. Back in the day, the tour guides said they had no idea why the people would intentionally bury these structures.

I thought so...

But near as I can tell the answer to that depends on who you ask.

Mike

Seems like they said in school or a book they supposedly disappeared mysteriously

There has been a lot of evidence, including artifacts like ax heads, stone carvings and genes found in some isolated native peoples, that the Vikings also went to South America, long before the Spanish. I speculate that diseases carried by the Vikings killed off the Mayans, before the Spanish arrived.

Keith

I believe there was far more Pre-Columbian contact than we know about or are told about.

Mike

What about gods from the stars. As they were called. Don't laugh it is possible with how little we know about the past. And all the resent discoveries.

Chancey, you are very welcome but the credit goes to my grandson Ryan, who put me on to that book. Hope you enjoy the read.

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My son said they found a crusaders cross dated after the Vikings came to south America

I won't laugh at all about that wetdog; I am a firm believer in the super natural. There are a lot of questions regarding ancient civilizations, and many times the answers just don't seem to add up. Like MichiganTrappin said, it would not surprise me at all if their was another civilization that pre-dated what we "consider" the Mayans today.

Hippie, made an interesting point about drought that I had not thought about. Either it was much drier when the Mayans and mega fauna were going into those caves or the water table has risen drastically since that time! Either way, if the Mayan civilization is as young as they say it is then I think they would have faced serious challenges in acquiring enough fresh water from rain alone in order to sustain a population that size. The Yucatan does have crazy convectional thunderstorms there everyday during the summer, but it is also very prone to drought as well.

Gobekli Teppe is another ancient structure out there that really upsets the dominant paradigm. This temple area was intentionally buried as well, and using carbon dating the scientists have dated it to 10-12K years old. If the dating is correct, then it means hunters and gathers were building some amazing things and also carving stone in 3D. I think it would be very interesting if they could uncover some of the buried pyramids in the Yucatan and date them using the same technique thye used in Turkey. It could possibly mean that whoever built those "Mayan" structures, did it thousands of years earlier than what the history books teach.

I don't know for sure, but I've heard before that there are a lot of caves worldwide that are submerged today. I think the use of those caves was at the time of the glacers, that had much of earths water locked up in ice. Same time that they thought the indians migrated accross the Bearing Sea land bridge. It is interesting that if that were the case, the Mayan culture was thousands of years older than what they thought. Interesting stuff!

Not to change the subject, but personally believe the greatest crime ever committed against humanity was the burning of the library of Alexandra. All that knowledge lost forever.

Read the book City of the Monkey Gods. It is about the discovery of ancient cities in Honduras. I enjoyed it very much. The area is disease ridden and half the researchers developed a terrible disease. Leesh Moniasis (sp)

Maybe covered because of disease

Probably, it sure hurt the native north Americans

I do wonder how much European diseases affected the native population. If the population under that LIDAR was truly in the millions, then I find it difficult to believe that European diseases brought them to their demise. In this day, it seems that it is the Europeans that are getting sick as a dog or infected with a parasite every time they visit the tropics.

According to the Smithsonian scientists (link below), it was climate change due to the Mayans farming and sivicultural practices that brought about their downfall.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-n...hange-30863026/

Some could say the Mayan's demise could have been a combination of a one-two punch...., both diseases from the Europeans and climate change due to their cutting of trees which led to a terrible drought and global warming caused their demise.

Giving the timing of it all, I just don't buy it. Whoever built those pyramids, knew their stuff. They understood precession, the rising of the moon and sun, seasons, and also how to deal with drought and other natural catastrophes. I don't think it was European disease that took them out. I also think that the idea of them being wiped out due to climate change is crazy and ill-informed.

Very entertaining what a lot of you are saying but a little quick fact checking would reveal that the mayan golden age came and went long before the Europeans got to the new world...so european diseases twarnt the issue. Vikings in central america? Nope.

Drought and agricultural declines are what the experts say. And I believe 'em.

But the Mayans didn't completely disappear. Their descendants still live there.

My son says Viking artifacts and genetis we're found there

Not only do they live there, but also here in WNY. I work with several Mexicans that say they are Mayan, and they speak a language they call místico witch is a native Mayan language although a google search found very little about this particular language. They say that as kids they were taught místico at home but had to learn spanish when they went to school. They also claim that they are not welcome in northern Mexico and if they go there they have to be very carful to not be noticed.

I have suspected since I was kid that we humans were world travelers long before Columbus. Sometimes by accident. Beaverpeeler, how would you know where the Vikings went? Ever think that maybe a few got lost? Didn't know how or were afraid to try, to sail back where they came from? Of all the coastal fisherman who never came home how do we know they all died? I think its not only possible but probably likely a few crossed the ocean. Read some of the modern sea survival stories. People have stayed alive in small rafts for some incredible amounts of time.

I once heard there are some Hebrew genes in the native American people from ok

Danny you are spot on about past cultures traveling the world. Thor Heyerdahl built a reed ship and sailed from Peru,I think it was I 46 or 47. Something like 4000 miles in 100 days
Just makes a person wonder don't it

I'm a science guy that has to be convinced with empirical evidence. Show me any evidence at all (that vikings visited central america) that has been reported on and accepted in any mainstream archaeological or other scientific paper. Or any DNA evidence supporting a northern european component in the native gene pool. I pay attention to those kinds of things so that is why I felt bold enough to say it aint so.

(If you can find and cite anything I'll happily retract)!

BTW, Mixteco is the proper spelling for one of the many dialects still spoken in southern Mexico and Guatemala.

Incidentally, my son who's mother is from Mexico city has about 4% Mayan DNA according to a cheek swab we took a couple of years ago.

This may not be accepted by any "mainstream" archaeological or scientific papers, but the evidence of the artifacts and mummies speak for themselves. I don't know if it was Vikings, but there is a lot of evidence that suggests white-skinned bearded men occurred in the New World long before the Spaniards arrived. Long, but definitely worth the read.....

http://whiteindians.com/diffusionism/bearded-gods.html

Thanks for that Chancey. I put it in my favorites, will read the whole thing one day when I have the time!

There are so many "prehistoric" archeological ruins out there that go against the evolutionist's theory of history, it is amazing when they admit they cannot figure some ruins out. I enjoy reading about new ruins, it is fascinating what is still being discovered in this world. God only knows what really happened there.

I'll look at that when I have time Chancey, but you guys surely must know that there are lots of very imaginative amateur archaeologists that make many claims. Anybody remember "Piltdown man" the missing link? I have not seen any credible reports to support vikings getting that far south.

(I also don't believe in bigfoot).

I don't know if they did or not. If a boatful did it doesn't take much imagination to see why artifacts haven't been found. humid weather, centuries to deteriorate. Probably wouldn't be much evidence today. I say we don't know. Its very possible.

Guess it really doesn't matter what you believe in does it? What matters is truth.

Here's something to chew on. Could there have been humans inhabiting south and central america when the tectonic plates moved? If a person was looking for evidence of that, there are some things that fit.

Bernie, the tectonic plates are moving right now...they never stopped.

Did any of you mugs get to see the story of the 13,000 year old skeleton found in an underground cave in Yucatan? That story, and the surrounding story of ancient human migration to the americas was on PBS Nova last night. Fascinating stuff.

She was discovered in a water filled limestone cave call "Hoyo Negro". Apparently, she had fallen and broken a hip in the fall and drowned. Later, sea levels raised and the skeleton along with saber tooth tigers and ancient elephant species stayed protected over the millennia. She is the oldest and most complete set of skeletal remains ever discovered in the new world. Almost like forensic files as scientists revealed what they could find out about her through those bones.

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Well i figured i would jump in on the discussion cause i to love this stuff , my question on ancient travels comes to the Red Bird carvings in Ky. of Hebrew and Greek alphabet that archaeologist say were carved before the discovery of america.

That was a good read Chancey thanks for posting , i guess a person will have to make there own mind up on the ancient ways. it is very interesting hearing others opinions.

I've always been buggy about this stuff! I wanted to be an archeologist when I was a kid, but trapping , cars and girls got in the way. Looking back, I'm glad life went the way it did, or I would have ended up at some university somewhere, and those are all parts of it that I would have hated!

Good evening Gentlemen,

Thanks for posting on this thread! Glad to see others are interested in it as well. I too find this stuff fascinating because I think it raises a lot more questions that it answers. Mr. Steinmeyer, you brought up a really good point about the fresh water being caught up in ice during the last ice age. To me, that makes a lot of sense as to why those "pre-existing" caves were already in place when humans and megafauna decided to inhabit them. The fascinating thing about those cenotes and other cave systems is that it is crystal clear fresh water! I've had the pleasure of swimming in some of them.

But, so much of what we read and are taught claims that rising sea levels flooded the caves and passageways after the last glacial maximum. I don't know how rising sea levels (salt water) could affect fresh water within the cenotes and cave systems, but it is definitely some fat worth chewing on. Perhaps, sea water infiltrated underground caves near the coast, but a lot of what they are finding is very far inland.

I didn't get to watch the show about Hoyo Negro, but I do remember hearing about it several years ago. I think it caught the scientific community so off guard it took them 4 years to figure out a way to explain to the public. It makes me wonder if those pyramids could have been built by a race of people inhabiting the Yucatan at the same time the caves were flooded, rather than the people we consider "Mayan" now? Serious question......Why would whoever built those structures intentionally bury them? They must have been trying to preserve something or some message from something that they knew was coming? Have any of ya'll ever seen some of the eccentric flint found in those pyramids and caves? Its the most amazing knapping work ever seen. They say we have no idea how long it took to produce because no one alive today can duplicate it.

Logger coffey, thank you for mentioning the Red Bird Carvings. I had never heard of them and I think it is astonishing! If one wants to do some researching, there is evidence that some of the early Hebrew tribes of Israel (interesting to figure out which tribe!) ventured up northwest along the Mediterranean and possibly co-mingled/co-habitated with the Phonoecians. If true, that sure sheds some light on why the Pre-columbian "Mayans" knew about circumcision.

Absolutely amazing stuff to think about! I agree with Fl Cracker in Alaska, Only God really knows how and when it all went down!

I’m a science guy too. What do think about the Kensington stone? Is it a hoax?

I read once that the Kensington stone was a testament to Scandinavian frontier humor. Ya shor ya betcha.

But seriously, I believe that it has already been pretty well established to have been a hoax.

Researchers just found another mega city hidden under the jungle that they are attributing to the Aztecs! This one may have had as many buildings as Manhattan.

From the link below....."Everywhere you point the lidar instrument you find new stuff, and that is because we know so little about the archaeological universe in the Americas right now. Right now every textbook has to be rewritten, and two years from now they're going to have to be rewritten again," Fisher said.

"Many of these areas of the Americas that we see today that we think that we would classify as pristine tropical forests are really abandoned gardens."

https://www.sciencealert.com/angamuco-lost-world-city-purepecha-40-000-buildings-lidar-survey

It will be cool to see all the history of the earth and humans, when we go to heaven

No doubt Tactical.20! I have a lot of pressing questions that only He can answer!

And Troy was just a legend or fable... If it doesn't fit the dogma it is immediately relegated as a hoax.

I agree that science should approach new evidence with skepticism... But also with an open mind. It seems that if something is presented that doesn't fit the current narrative then it is immediately labeled a hoax and the evidence isn't even weighed.

Is there European or Hebrew DNA floating around in indigenous peoples? I don't know, let's look.

Are there redheaded giants buried under the Native built mounds? It's probably just a legend... like Troy. But I'm just curious enough that it might be worth taking a look.

Why be so wrapped up in the dogma of the current narrative that you aren't willing to look?

Mike

I think once we get to heaven maybe everything is reveiled to us

There truly are amazing things out there and mysteries to unravel, but apparently the Kensington rune stone was an elaborate prank. The proof of that being that the carver of the stone used umlauts (the little dots over vowels) which did not exist during Viking times.

They just told about the huge city in, Mexico that they found, (on fox news ticker tape), figured at best time there were 100k people there, then city collapsed before Spaniards came

Mike,

I have always been fascinated with the Mound Building societies. The layout of Poverty Point in Louisiana has a lot of similarities with Mayan civilizations structure and layout. The difference seems to me that the North American mound builders just did it out of dirt and sticks rather than stone. No way do I think a hunter/gatherer culture built those mounds. The serpent mound in Ohio just blows my mind.

This is totally speculation on my part, but I think it is striking to compare the similarities of the female figurines found at Poverty Point to the female figurines found at Gobekli Teppe in Turkey. The similarities are pretty remarkable. The lay out of Poverty Point is also very similar to the Gilgal Raphaim found in the Golan Heights.

The underwater caves in Mexico just keep getting better! They are finding all sorts of fascinating stuff. Below is a link to an article from yesterday.

"Among the finds the divers have already uncovered are human remains, including skeletons and seemingly burnt human bones, that are at least 9,000 years old – suggesting human activity in the eastern Mexican region goes back thousands of years earlier than researchers thought, possibly as part of an ancient Maya trade route."

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-world-s...ac-actun-mexico

That show i mentioned was on the travel channel again last night.
They claim that they were pretty much gone when the Spaniards arrived. They are leaning towards a draught bringing them down.

Thanks Hippie, I need to see that show. Drought makes sense, the article I just posted said they think the people did not live in the caves, but ventured in there due to 'great climate stress'to search for water. They did find what they think is an alter and some shrines. Also found cave etchings and an underwater staircase!

Yea, this show takes you down in the new ones they found. They think they went down in and made sacrifices to the gods for water.

Josh Gates is the dude who goes there. I bet you could find it on-line if ya looked. Interesting show.

In a spot I fished many times right on the Mexico- Belize border on Ambergris caye there is a canal through a peninsula called Bacalar Chico. The Mayans dug it through the ground and mangroves to shorten the trip around the peninsula for access to the large bay inside. It would have been an immense project in those days.

The things the Mayans did are amazing. There must be a lot we don't know.

Pete

Wow Pete! I just looked up Bacalar Chico in Google Earth. It took me right to the peninsula you are talking about and you can see the canal they built plain as day. Talk about amazing....I bet the fishing down there is pretty darn good too!

The canal/ditch isn't really maintained but you can still snake a boat through with some effort. The big bay behind the peninsula, Chetumal bay, had a lot of tarpon and big snook with some bonefish too. I have memories of tarpon fishing there in the early 80's that I'll never forget. My first 100 pound tarpon was there in gin clear water over white sand. He ate the fly about twenty feet from the boat. The next morning I jumped twelve fish over 80 pounds and landed three. Big learning curve with tarpon on flies.

Ambergris caye is much more developed now and the fishing probably isn't the same but I bet there are still some great days.

Pete

I came across this last night. Really intriguing stuff about what we've been discussing. A lot of the artifacts they are recovering are from deep in the ocean because they say sea levels were 425 feet lower than they are today! From the article.....“We now have really solid evidence that people came from Europe to the New World around 20,000 years ago,”

https://insider.si.edu/2012/03/ice-age-m...-north-america/

Watching alien show, mentioned Mayans, stone carvings, they said Mayans dissappeared about 900 ad, way before Spanish showed up, right?

The Mayans were still very much there when the Spaniards arrived. The Spanish described Tulum, for instance, with painted walls and buildings. The Mayan culture dipped and rose over time along with droughts and better times, and it was in a down-turn when the Spanish arrived, but it was not gone by a long shot.

That book was published in 2012 and the notion hasn't picked up a lot of steam. It seems the pre-13,000 years ago or so evidence is always sketchy/debatable.

Did any of you read some of the comments at the end of the article? I thought there was a lot of bickering on tman, but those intellectuals on there were about to start throwing fists! lmao. They were of the breed that their opinion was the only one and no one else should say a word! I thought it was an interesting article, and kinda explains some of the quirky finds that have been found on this continent.

I noticed it too Mr. Steinmeyer and thought it entertaining as well! That's one of the beauties of science, good science is always fact checked by other scientists.

The problem is scientists are people too and some have their own agendas and presuppositions as well. When faced with other good science that disrupts the current mindset, it is human nature to argue the point. However, their is one and only one TRUTH. Depending on one's worldview, the debate will never end.

How is this possible? Where did all that water go?

From what I have read, a lot of the water is locked up in icesheets on land (not water) in our modern times. The interesting thing is that there are extensive mass graves of mammoths and other megafauna locked in the ice in Siberia that is beginning to thaw. They were frozen very quickly too; as we can analyze the plant material in their teeth. The plant material those animals were eating suggests a very different climate and habitat back then.

Well said.

It's hard sometimes. But before I arbitrarily decide that something is incorrect, I try to keep a few phrases in mind...

"There is insufficient data to support that conclusion."

"The current data is inconclusive"

Science should be skeptical yet willing to entertain new ideas. New discoveries are made all the time.

Troy was "just a legend" for a long time.

Mike

Tactical.20, from what I can gather, I think the timing of when the Mayans disappeared is going to depend on which researcher/scientist you talk to.

I for one think the evidence overwhelmingly suggests that the "folks" that built what we call the Mayan civilization were long gone when the Spaniards got here. Chancey

Earths area is 71% water, If you lower that by 450 ft., you would have to stack it up 1350ft. high on the rest of the earth, or am I missing something.

I'm old, but wasn't around during the glacial period. From the rocks those glacers left in my country here, I'd say it was stacked up darn high. And if it ran clear accross the atlantic and was in europe and asia too, I think that would displace enough water to drop the sea levels considerably! Talk about climate change.....that was climate change. Must have been some big volcanos pop when that happened!

Chancey, I agree

My biggest issue is with all of the talk about Clovis points. Did the Clovis people hold the patent for the Clovis Point? Were they able to defend that patent? It is just a piece of rock knapped into a very useful shape. The design could have been created independently by more than one clan of people separated by thousands of miles.

Diggerman, I think the climate, sea levels, and possibly even atmospheric pressure has changed tremendously overtime. I think this change may have happened very suddenly and that there were humans around that survived through it. Research is finding all kinds of ancient forests and civilizations off the coast of the southeastern U.S. There are underwater cities and underwater megaliths compassing the globe. As much as we like to brag, there is a lot about the ocean and climate that we just don't know.

The link below is generic, but pretty interesting..... click on the image and look at it larger.

https://www.sciencealert.com/how-much-of-the-ocean-we-do-not-ever-see-infographic-xkcd

Thanks, But I still can not rap my head around things like the polar ice caps melting and causing sea level to raise 10 feet. There is now way there is enough iced over area to create even a small raise in sea level. I understand that the air can hold vast amounts of water and that is a wild card.

A lot of the terrain around St. Helen's changed by meters in a matter of hours.

Mike

52Carl,
I don't think the issue the researchers are having is the design of these Clovis points, but rather the timing of when they were created. Some of these points and other artifacts are being found hundreds of feet deep in the ocean off the coasts of the southeastern and eastern states. Herein lies the problem....., according to current dogma and teaching, mankind was supposed to be living in caves as hunter/gatherers 10,000 years ago. It was not until the birth of civilization and agriculture in Egypt thousands of years later that mankind started developing towns, farming, etc.

Yepper, lots of wild cards.

Some researchers think that atmospheric pressure has changed drastically. According to their physics/math, pterodactyls would not have been able to fly and brontosaurus' would never have been able to pump blood from their heart to their brain in our current atmosoheric pressure. For them to survive, climatic conditions would have had to been totally different.

Yes! I think a global catastrophe could have the same effect. What we see and interpret about the natural world today may only be the remnants and debris of a former world left after a cataclysm.

Found this a while back. Not sure of accuracy or any of that... But it is interesting.

https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/artic..._source=mbfbads

Mike

Sheesh you guys…the Mayans are still there today. They never disappeared.

Agriculture began ~ 10,000 years ago in Mesopotamia (Iraq).

I'm in agreement with Chancey, and in disagreement with evolution, which calls every written and oral history and belief in the origen of this world before it a lie. Pretty bold for a belief that is about 300 years old, and is still just a theory.

Check out the Aztec death whistle. Terrifying

That is fascinating Mike!
Makes one sure re-consider the terms "fountains of the deep" and "let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters"
Sorry just now responding, working 12s with two hours travel.

Drasselt, some people think that agriculture could have begun the same time around Gobekli Teppe, Turkey. See the link below, its from the BBC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3JdAJpo6Lxk


Either way, it still does not explain why there are Indian Bullets (AKA arrow heads/spear points) found off the coast of the southeastern/eastern U.S that they say are dated to around 20,000 years ago.
By the way, I don't agree with the documentaries conclusion at all! Chancey

Could it be that the reason the theory has not picked up much steam is because it totally upsets the dominant paradigm......

If found true, I wonder how may Ph.D and M.S. dissertations and thesis' would be debunked. Sure would make a lot of people in academia look pretty clueless.

Pretty neat stuff right here regarding recent Nazca Line discoveries. Apparently researchers have found over 50 new geoglyphs that predate the other lines. Watch the video, way cool! Seems that they are starting to tie these lines with the existing Paracas culture which existed about 1000 years before what they call the Nazca culture.

https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2018...logy/?beta=true

So being the curious type, I pulled up Peru and the Nazca lines on Google Earth. If you don't have Google Earth on your computer and you're a trapper, I highly recommend it. You can download it here for free....

https://www.google.com/earth/download/gep/agree.html

Guess what! If you zoom out far enough on Google Earth, you can see other lines and giant polygons deep within the pacific ocean! Below is a screenshot I took off the computer....


If you follow these lines, they intersect in various locations. One of the main intersections is on Easter Island. Another main intersection is on French Polynesia. Out of curiosity, I google searched "Megaliths French Polynesia" and was astonished at what I saw! Another main intersection is at Hawaii! This is amazing stuff!

More really fascinating stuff coming out about the Mayan civilization. They just found a cave with a lot of human remains. Some of the remains they say are 4000 and 7000 years old and pre-date the Maya civilization; possibly being their ancestors. I think it is pretty interesting. Some of the skulls were elongated like the elongated skulls in Peru and the middle-east.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aK03x0Z7k0

Very interesting.

It is interesting DuxDawg! Here is a video that kind of summarizes some of the cool stuff they are finding in the under water cave systems! Its about 6 minutes long, but has a lot of fascinating stuff and photos.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agwGPGCsOcA&t=39s

Excellent shows

I for one question how ancient people all over the world could work gold into jewelry, and also how in every corner of the world the new of a specialized fire starting tech. How is that possible?

That is interesting! Beautiful artifacts made of gold and other precious metals are found all over the globe and many times the relics are also associated with mirrors of various kinds. These ancient sites never cease to amaze the curious mind. Check out this megalithic site from Mount Shoria in southern Siberia, they guess the stones to be twice the size of the ones in Baalbek. The similarities of the Siberian artwork to the stonework done in Peru is astonishing!

http://thetruthwins.com/archives/newly-f...ever-discovered

More good stuff coming out about the Mayan civilization. They just found a cave under Chichen Itza with a lot of relics that hopefully helps scientists get a better understanding of the rise and fall of the Mayans.

https://phys.org/news/2019-03-mexican-experts-cave-chichen-itza.html

I find all of this very interesting and I don’t doubt any theories, even aliens ! I think their is more known than what we are being told about life on this rock since the time of the last ice age. Two of the guys on here that could clear things up a bit are both ex gubment men and they ain’t talking ! If white 17 and the Beav don’t come clean soon I’m calling coverup .

Neat stuff Chancey! I always enjoy your posts! Thanks!

Those stones in Russia are insane! Wonder what the aliens used to cut em with?

I wonder if we humans will ever have more answers than questions.

Primary problem holding archeology back was high level archeologists pushing their agenda on the rest of the archeology community. They didn't believe something was possible, therefore they squelched many possibilities. People thought the Earth was flat and they were wrong, leaders in archeology didn't believe there was a population here as early as it was and they were wrong.
If there were populations in South America 30,000 years ago, many many things we don't understand are possible.

I always found the trade route theories interesting.Products from South America found in North America,and vice versa,like Lake Superior copper found in Mexico.Fascinating stuff from a stone age civilization.

Supposedly over night horses covered N America after a few dozen were left behind by the Spanish. Those Spanish horses must have been way better breeders than the offspring they left behind

2-300 years isn't exactly overnight. But it is easy to establish where the wild horses originated with DNA testing. One of the best tools there is for either debunking or establishing historical facts.

(Only took 30 years for another introduced species to totally devastate most of Louisiana's coastal ecosystem).