Re: PA, Antler restrictions
[Re: IWM]
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12/08/18 10:02 PM
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Nationwide, greatest monetary & recreational value of white-tailed deer is directly related to the size/symmetry of their antlers. In most cases, stage of antler development is directly correlated to age of the animal. 70% of all annually harvested bucks in the US are 1.5 years old...they never get a chance to grow up. There is a great movement to "educate" hunters on the importance of maturity along with trophy status of bucks harvested. Since 8 out of 10 hunters can't (or won't) accurately field judge buck age "on the hoof", game departments try to increase average age of buck harvest by restricting antler size. A spike yearling buck retains a 20% chance of becoming trophy status at 4.5 years old, while a multiple point yearling has an 80% chance of becoming a trophy at 4.5 years old...play the odds, take out all spikes. Whitetail fawns are born about 50% male; 50% female. In a male-biased activity like deer hunting, sex ratio gets out of wack very quickly if a doe is not removed for every buck taken from a population. It is well documented that such imbalances in population characteristics like density, sex ratio, and fawn crop recruitment have profound effect on trophy antler production of bucks within a deer herd. Thus, careful regulation of these characteristics via harvest quotas can influence overall "quality" of a deer population.
Serious trophy deer hunters tend to be the loudest (political) imput in state deer management plans. Meat hunters that resent restrictions can stick to killing does or spikes-where applicable. A good state game dep't will try to accommodate both types of hunters by liberalizing number and sex of deer included in annual harvest quotas. Yes, active whitetail management by state agencies sells non-resident licenses.
Wildlife Biologist We (Pa.) are doing the exact opposite. We are not shooting the yearling spike and are shooting the yearling multi-points.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
[Re: Finster]
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12/08/18 10:49 PM
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Snowy n Jbyrd, MN has party hunting . Please don't let your inaducatcy make you loose sleep Killed # 187 this year with archery and still have a tag to go. I posted those number on an earlier post for no reason other than to show even though ( I've) shot a lot of deer ( and yes, (one or two) decent ones ;), I'm still very happy for those that shoot whatever theydamnwell please! Snowy, I may be coming out coyotes hunting near you soon. Would LOVE to meet you for a stand
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
[Re: IWM]
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12/08/18 10:54 PM
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Nationwide, greatest monetary & recreational value of white-tailed deer is directly related to the size/symmetry of their antlers. In most cases, stage of antler development is directly correlated to age of the animal. 70% of all annually harvested bucks in the US are 1.5 years old...they never get a chance to grow up. There is a great movement to "educate" hunters on the importance of maturity along with trophy status of bucks harvested. Since 8 out of 10 hunters can't (or won't) accurately field judge buck age "on the hoof", game departments try to increase average age of buck harvest by restricting antler size. A spike yearling buck retains a 20% chance of becoming trophy status at 4.5 years old, while a multiple point yearling has an 80% chance of becoming a trophy at 4.5 years old...play the odds, take out all spikes. Whitetail fawns are born about 50% male; 50% female. In a male-biased activity like deer hunting, sex ratio gets out of wack very quickly if a doe is not removed for every buck taken from a population. It is well documented that such imbalances in population characteristics like density, sex ratio, and fawn crop recruitment have profound effect on trophy antler production of bucks within a deer herd. Thus, careful regulation of these characteristics via harvest quotas can influence overall "quality" of a deer population. Serious trophy deer hunters tend to be the loudest (political) imput in state deer management plans. Meat hunters that resent restrictions can stick to killing does or spikes-where applicable. A good state game dep't will try to accommodate both types of hunters by liberalizing number and sex of deer included in annual harvest quotas. Yes, active whitetail management by state agencies sells non-resident licenses.
Wildlife Biologist I do not care if you do this for a living, you are blowing a lot of smoke. "greatest monetary & recreational value of white-tailed deer is directly related to the size/symmetry of their antlers." Show me the study on that one, maybe in Texas but certainly not in the north and not in the west. "70% of all annually harvested bucks in the US are 1.5 years old...they never get a chance to grow up." Who cares? I dont, most farmers harvest nearly all of their young stock every year and maintain healthy, productive herds. "In a male-biased activity like deer hunting, sex ratio gets out of wack very quickly if a doe is not removed for every buck taken from a population. It is well documented that such imbalances in population characteristics like density, sex ratio, and fawn crop recruitment have profound effect on trophy antler production of bucks within a deer herd." So again we are just going to manage the deer for head gear? Having a higher doe number means more fawns every year, more deer born yearly means higher success rate and more deer being seen. You want to manage the deer so hunters have a lower success rate and see less deer but those who hunt private land will have access to more big bucks. "Serious trophy deer hunters tend to be the loudest (political) imput in state deer management plans." So we manage the deer to the specifications of a loud minority?
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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12/08/18 10:55 PM
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^Can you tell me what this means "Would LOVE to meet you for a stand". What direction from Jordan will you be?
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
[Re: IWM]
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12/08/18 10:57 PM
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B-T-W, I don't need to google anything, I teach whitetail management & disease monitoring seminars all over the country and currently have about 75 k acres under direct management. Be careful what you quote from your education at Google University ; as you might run in to someone who does it for real.
Thanks for your opinion. So you have a financial interest in promoting Antler Point Restrictions?
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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12/08/18 10:59 PM
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Well sure. I think your a nice fella and would like to meet you . Yanna, calling coyotes.
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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12/08/18 11:09 PM
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Nationwide, greatest monetary & recreational value of white-tailed deer is directly related to the size/symmetry of their antlers. In most cases, stage of antler development is directly correlated to age of the animal. 70% of all annually harvested bucks in the US are 1.5 years old...they never get a chance to grow up. There is a great movement to "educate" hunters on the importance of maturity along with trophy status of bucks harvested. Since 8 out of 10 hunters can't (or won't) accurately field judge buck age "on the hoof", game departments try to increase average age of buck harvest by restricting antler size. A spike yearling buck retains a 20% chance of becoming trophy status at 4.5 years old, while a multiple point yearling has an 80% chance of becoming a trophy at 4.5 years old...play the odds, take out all spikes. Whitetail fawns are born about 50% male; 50% female. In a male-biased activity like deer hunting, sex ratio gets out of wack very quickly if a doe is not removed for every buck taken from a population. It is well documented that such imbalances in population characteristics like density, sex ratio, and fawn crop recruitment have profound effect on trophy antler production of bucks within a deer herd. Thus, careful regulation of these characteristics via harvest quotas can influence overall "quality" of a deer population. Serious trophy deer hunters tend to be the loudest (political) imput in state deer management plans. Meat hunters that resent restrictions can stick to killing does or spikes-where applicable. A good state game dep't will try to accommodate both types of hunters by liberalizing number and sex of deer included in annual harvest quotas. Yes, active whitetail management by state agencies sells non-resident licenses.
Wildlife Biologist I do not care if you do this for a living, you are blowing a lot of smoke. "greatest monetary & recreational value of white-tailed deer is directly related to the size/symmetry of their antlers." Show me the study on that one, maybe in Texas but certainly not in the north and not in the west. "70% of all annually harvested bucks in the US are 1.5 years old...they never get a chance to grow up." Who cares? I dont, most farmers harvest nearly all of their young stock every year and maintain healthy, productive herds. "In a male-biased activity like deer hunting, sex ratio gets out of wack very quickly if a doe is not removed for every buck taken from a population. It is well documented that such imbalances in population characteristics like density, sex ratio, and fawn crop recruitment have profound effect on trophy antler production of bucks within a deer herd." So again we are just going to manage the deer for head gear? Having a higher doe number means more fawns every year, more deer born yearly means higher success rate and more deer being seen. You want to manage the deer so hunters have a lower success rate and see less deer but those who hunt private land will have access to more big bucks. "Serious trophy deer hunters tend to be the loudest (political) imput in state deer management plans." So we manage the deer to the specifications of a loud minority? Deer hunting, at least for white-tails, is becoming a pay to play game; to the misfortune for some. It has been this way in Texas for a long time, but it is also becoming that way in the mid-west and also Kansas and Oklahoma. I know first hand that the Game Department in PA sent folks down here to see how we manage our deer herd and youth hunters through education. Landowners and farmers are beginning to realize the monetary potential they can receive for deer on their properties from paying "trophy hunters". It ticks a lot of the locals off that have been hunting properties/farms for years because they lose their honey holes to someone willing to pay a premium price. Love it or hate it, but it is the way the breeze is blowing.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
[Re: Finster]
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12/08/18 11:11 PM
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I lived here in MT all my life never heard of Yanna. LOL I have no clue where you are going calling at.
Give me a fish, I will eat for a day. Teach me to fish, I will eat for a lifetime
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
[Re: IWM]
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12/09/18 08:23 AM
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Nationwide, greatest monetary & recreational value of white-tailed deer is directly related to the size/symmetry of their antlers. In most cases, stage of antler development is directly correlated to age of the animal. 70% of all annually harvested bucks in the US are 1.5 years old...they never get a chance to grow up. There is a great movement to "educate" hunters on the importance of maturity along with trophy status of bucks harvested. Since 8 out of 10 hunters can't (or won't) accurately field judge buck age "on the hoof", game departments try to increase average age of buck harvest by restricting antler size. A spike yearling buck retains a 20% chance of becoming trophy status at 4.5 years old, while a multiple point yearling has an 80% chance of becoming a trophy at 4.5 years old...play the odds, take out all spikes. Whitetail fawns are born about 50% male; 50% female. In a male-biased activity like deer hunting, sex ratio gets out of wack very quickly if a doe is not removed for every buck taken from a population. It is well documented that such imbalances in population characteristics like density, sex ratio, and fawn crop recruitment have profound effect on trophy antler production of bucks within a deer herd. Thus, careful regulation of these characteristics via harvest quotas can influence overall "quality" of a deer population. Serious trophy deer hunters tend to be the loudest (political) imput in state deer management plans. Meat hunters that resent restrictions can stick to killing does or spikes-where applicable. A good state game dep't will try to accommodate both types of hunters by liberalizing number and sex of deer included in annual harvest quotas. Yes, active whitetail management by state agencies sells non-resident licenses.
Wildlife Biologist DR.Alt,is that you????
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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12/09/18 08:46 AM
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I was thinking the same thing!
Eh...wot?
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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Bet the night hunters like these regs. A shot in the dark made me think of that for the first time.
Didn't the Doc get promoted to a cushy sales position?
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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09/27/19 01:01 PM
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Indeed I did hippie, but bigmouth JByrd claims I said " over 400". I'm just here the prove him a LIAR, and I DID
swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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Re: PA, Antler restrictions
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09/27/19 01:12 PM
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I knew I didnt ; Moving treestands from bear spots to deer spots today.beautiful day to be in the woods. Don't care to play on the internet while doing so but it's like a train wreak. Ya can't help but watch it Now Hippie, ( and others), since he thought he " had me) and said I should pay up on the bet, do you feel he accepted that bet?
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swampgas chili and schmidt beer makes for a deadly combo
You have to remember that 1 out of 3 Democratic Voters is just as dumb as the other two.
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