Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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I agree the tamper resistance covers is weird, here depending on the situation we go between 4 and 6 feet between outlets, gfci in the kitchen, bathroom, outside and in laundry rooms. The 220 power for heat maybe to stop the use of milk house heaters, but I do know here a lot depends on the inspector you get on how hard they are on you. And it could be that some treat you depending upon the way they are treated by you. The electrical code may have a little overkill written into it but That's better than the other way around. Now some of the building code in places can be a little much.
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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“May be in Ne , but in Ky only outlets on the wall the sink is on have to be GFCI.”
I find this hard to believe. The NEC requires a gfci within 6’ of the edge of the sink. KY can not disregard the NEC requirements. Only go above and beyond the code. Ok what about the wall ACROSS from the sink ??? The refrigerator plug? Plugs Around the stove ? NONE have to be GFCI .... UNLESS close to the sink. You yourself stated WHY they don't have to be GFCI KEY word 6FEET within sink !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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New service...thats what got all the attention. Im doing what it takes to get along. Not just getting along it's the law. 99.9 % of the electrical codes are for safety. Now are some of them ridiculus ? Yep . The reason they require a 200 amp service is because the potential for future add -ons. PLUS this may sound funny but when you check on the prices a 200 amp service with breakers will normally cost less than 100 amp. Lots of companies and supply houses have package deals where the breakers come with the panel.
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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I wired my kitchen with 2 20 amp gfis and the other outlets down stream in series of those, making the whole kitchen gfi protected. I did so AFTER consulting with my electrician.
The changes the OP mentioned do not seem absurd to me. Shop codes are different than living space over here.
After a lifetime of work I'm glad to see SOME codes rather than farmer built. (easy, I like farmers)
I do feel the pain. At this time I am struggling to come up with a railing for outside steps. Legal seems to equal $$$
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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Issue is cost. GFCI breakers are more expensive than plugs. Plus you can daisy chain all the plugs on a kitchen counter around the sink with just one plug. Same for garage and out side outlets. Most jobs we do the garage outlets and the ones out side the house are on one circuit. RUN thru one GFCI plug located in the garage. Heck until 2017 dish washer and / or garbage disposals didn't even have to be GFCI and they where under the sink .
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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I wired my kitchen with 2 20 amp gfis and the other outlets down stream in series of those, making the whole kitchen gfi protected. I did so AFTER consulting with my electrician.
The changes the OP mentioned do not seem absurd to me. Shop codes are different than living space over here.
After a lifetime of work I'm glad to see SOME codes rather than farmer built. (easy, I like farmers)
I do feel the pain. At this time I am struggling to come up with a railing for outside steps. Legal seems to equal $$$ X2
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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“May be in Ne , but in Ky only outlets on the wall the sink is on have to be GFCI.”
I find this hard to believe. The NEC requires a gfci within 6’ of the edge of the sink. KY can not disregard the NEC requirements. Only go above and beyond the code. Ok what about the wall ACROSS from the sink ??? The refrigerator plug? Plugs Around the stove ? NONE have to be GFCI .... UNLESS close to the sink. You yourself stated WHY they don't have to be GFCI KEY word 6FEET within sink !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Read your own quote. You say Ky only requires them on the wall the sink is on. It doesn’t matter where the sink is at, bathrooms require GFCI protection period, doesn’t matter how far from the sink they are.
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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I did read my own QUOTE !!! The question was the KITCHEN !!!!!!!!!!!!! Not all plugs are within 6 ft of the sink ..... Of course the bathroom is required hard to have an outlet that is that far away from the sink . toilet , shower or tub
IN THE KITCHEN
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
[Re: Gary Benson]
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Thought I had all I needed, then got to the washing machine outlet,,, the famous one more trip to the store.
Daisy chain is the term I should have used rather than down stream.
Mechanicals, plumbing electric etc, are not that difficult, but those guys with the van full of fittings and parts, that's cheating lol.
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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If the first outlet in a circuit is protected by a gfci, the downstream outlets are protected by it, correct? Yes, as long as you wire it correctly. The wires from the electrical panel and the wires to the other outlets have to go in the correct places on the GFCI outlet (marked "line" and "load"). IF you do it backwards, everything will still work but you won't have GFCI protection. My understanding is that using a GFCI breaker causes less nuisance tripping than using a GFCI outlet and then wiring a bunch of outlets after it. The more outlets after, the more nuisance tripping you may experience.
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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Good lord. I’m glad we don’t have codes. What a pain in the rear!!
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Re: State Electrical Inspector......ARGH
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seeing some of the stuff i have fixed over the years that harryhomeowner did, kinda like having some of the codes
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