Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7230340
03/29/21 09:31 PM
03/29/21 09:31 PM
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Idaho
bearcat2
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Idaho
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I use my bait/lure gloves to make remakes, but yes I wear the same boots the whole time. It boils down to I don't want them smelling or paying attention to the trap, the rest of it I'm not as concerned with. So I try and be careful about keeping my clean gloves clean. I've seen guys carry two sifters, one for new sets and one for remakes. Too much hassle and equipment for me, most of my trapping is off fourwheeler or snowmachine, so a little more premium on space than if I was out of a truck. I don't sift bloody dirt when making a remake, I either use clean waxed dirt, dirt I pick up away from the catch circle, or simply cover by hand with duff, needles, grass etc. Honestly a lot of my sets are in snow, so I either let them snow over if it is snowing or supposed to, or failing that lightly drift some snow over with a shovel. Sifted or handled snow freezes, sometimes not as bad if you carefully skim up some with a shovel and then slide it off on the trap, but letting it snow over naturally is the ideal.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: bearcat2]
#7230397
03/29/21 10:14 PM
03/29/21 10:14 PM
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Joined: May 2007
Flint, Michigan
bhugo
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trapper
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Flint, Michigan
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I use my bait/lure gloves to make remakes, but yes I wear the same boots the whole time. It boils down to I don't want them smelling or paying attention to the trap, the rest of it I'm not as concerned with. So I try and be careful about keeping my clean gloves clean. I've seen guys carry two sifters, one for new sets and one for remakes. Too much hassle and equipment for me, most of my trapping is off fourwheeler or snowmachine, so a little more premium on space than if I was out of a truck. I don't sift bloody dirt when making a remake, I either use clean waxed dirt, dirt I pick up away from the catch circle, or simply cover by hand with duff, needles, grass etc. Honestly a lot of my sets are in snow, so I either let them snow over if it is snowing or supposed to, or failing that lightly drift some snow over with a shovel. Sifted or handled snow freezes, sometimes not as bad if you carefully skim up some with a shovel and then slide it off on the trap, but letting it snow over naturally is the ideal. Same here. Gloves for lure and remakes and gloves for clean sets. It’s not hard to keep the trap clean. I also use clean waxed dirt for remakes. It seems silly to dirty up the sifter with remake dirt and then make clean flat sets all blended in with them.
Member MTPCA, FTA and NTA
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: bearcat2]
#7230419
03/29/21 10:38 PM
03/29/21 10:38 PM
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Joined: Jul 2017
South Texas Brush Country
TEJAS
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South Texas Brush Country
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It boils down to I don't want them smelling or paying attention to the trap, the rest of it I'm not as concerned with. This snip from BC2’s post sums up MChewk’s question well. I don’t pull a dirty trap and stick it in clean ground. I wouldn’t use the same set of gloves I just used to pull a big stinking male out of a catch circle and remake the set only to turn around and bed a clean trap with those same gloves at a new location. To me that would be akin to hitting a clean trap with urine then bedding it in fresh ground. I use clean gloves and a tarp on every new set Boots that have been in the catch circle are on a tarp at new sets. The same goes for the kneeling pad. On remakes I use dirty gloves & a kneeling pad only. In the end reducing your scent kills more coyotes and teaches less of them. Educating coyotes drives me crazy; not taking a few extra measures to catch them.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: MChewk]
#7230439
03/29/21 10:58 PM
03/29/21 10:58 PM
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Joined: Dec 2014
nwpa
furstroker
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trapper
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nwpa
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Good post Mac I’ll throw this out for thought...around here it seems to depend on the overall population. Example...when we had coyotes literally every where...I often checked sets at lunch wearing my school contaminated shoes and clothing and caught coyotes after making remakes in that wardrobe. That same year remake sets caught lots of doubles and triples. This year coyote population was sparse and it seemed that the coyote was on edge. I had to use setting cloth and ultra clean traps. About that... I usually clean up my gear by knocking the crud off then snapping my trap off and clean out my spring holes. If the trap made a catch or shows rust bad it gets washed down and then dipped in PBTD. If the trap didn’t make catch or is fairly clean I just wire brush it off and adjust pan tension and put it in the trap storage box. I caught a hundred twice using these methods with very few issues. Just my thoughts... Strong point here. Lower populations will, on the whole, be more sketchy with approaching anything not top-notch natural. More numbers, more chance-takers and more trap dancers. More numbers equals more stupidity and more sets worked. Just look to the cities and their folk. More folks=more stupidity. They see a foot locker broke open and it's on, meanwhile a broken window in a less populated area gets the attention it needs, which isnt from the yotes or burglars.
Last edited by furstroker; 03/29/21 11:00 PM.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7230477
03/30/21 12:00 AM
03/30/21 12:00 AM
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Joined: Oct 2014
montana
red mt
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montana
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Like john ,only reason is I like to stay dry .
Kenneth schoening
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7230749
03/30/21 12:09 PM
03/30/21 12:09 PM
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Joined: Sep 2012
NY
rendezvous
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NY
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I use rubber boots and a kneeling pad for scent control and comfort. Rubber gloves for handle the traps and setting equipment. Cotton gloves for handling bait, lure and urine. Not paranoid but obsessive in keeping traps and setting equipment separate from bait, lures and urine. I do wash all my trapping clothes in scent-eliminating detergent also...
With that all said, years ago I had a well accomplished trapper show me he could take a brand new trap right off the self, set it with his bare hands and catch a fox.
And with that... I still remain "obsessive" with scent control.
Last edited by rendezvous; 03/31/21 11:23 AM.
MAGA!!!
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: walleye101]
#7230859
03/30/21 02:57 PM
03/30/21 02:57 PM
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Joined: Jul 2012
Nebraska
WadeRyan
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Nebraska
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I find it interesting how some say they don't worry about scent control but they get in and out as fast as they can, which is the best method of scent control. It also comes down to speed and efficiency. More traps in the ground. More miles. More animals. If you’re messing around with switching boots, changing gloves, deciding which bag to pull out of your truck, etc. you’ve already lost half the battle. If a guy only sets 6 traps a day how many coyotes can he catch? I prefer to keep things very simple and fast. Repetition. People that have trapped along side me are blown away how many go in the ground in a day. They can’t catch anything in the back of the truck and that’s a cold hard fact.
Last edited by WadeRyan; 03/30/21 02:59 PM.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7231392
03/30/21 10:32 PM
03/30/21 10:32 PM
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Joined: May 2012
Hot Springs SD
Larry Bowden
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Hot Springs SD
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I once heard the comment that " A trapper can make lots of mistakes but a coyote is only allowed one". Food for thought.
Western SD Fur Harvesters life member, SDTA, NTA, and life member of NRA. Cancer survivor (9 years) and still fighting it.
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7231930
03/31/21 03:25 PM
03/31/21 03:25 PM
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Joined: May 2018
new york
henpecked1
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new york
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MAC, you and I have talked before about K9 and ODOR. I have used drop cloths in AZ/NM, and like them and in my opinion were of value, same as gloves. As I have gotten older i believe every tool has/had its place on the line. I think the real key is that trapper education as evolved to where most trappers are properly bedding a trap and can apply bait/lure so there are less educated (exposed) animals to poorly made and contaminated sets and patterns. This creates opportunity to test boundries as to what attracts or repels an animal. I have spent more time on scent/odor dispersal and attractant than any other item. In particular getting odor molecules into the wind at a consistent rate. I have noticed no different reactions when wearing sneakers, boots, hip boots, same with gloves and bare hands. i have been using honey based bait as everyone likes sugar, the question has to do with consistent distribution of the odor and how to heat the product. it goes back to LEWIS ECKART and the smokers, Johnny Thorpe was on to it and rightly so. Same goes for the water line, the fact that the water has a more consistent temperature helps. One interesting item is the coyotes like to steel my holders and my best set produced seven reds in two weeks. Take care my friend and will keep you posted Jim
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: henpecked1]
#7231954
03/31/21 04:05 PM
03/31/21 04:05 PM
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Joined: Dec 2006
Maine
Mac
OP
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OP
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Maine
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Thanks for all the great posts. Jim I will give you a holler soon. Boone, I like your post about "Human intrusion is ALWAYS on my radar."
TEJAS , like your thoughts about keeping the trap clean and about new sets.
I am older than dirt. When I started out if you caught a fox in a dragged trap, you took that trap back to the boiler. I have listened to guys on some videos say they take the dragged trap and put it back. It just does not make sense to me.
Lots of great posts.
Mac
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Re: Canines, how careful do you need to be
[Re: Mac]
#7232026
03/31/21 06:02 PM
03/31/21 06:02 PM
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Joined: Oct 2014
montana
red mt
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montana
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Thanks for all the great posts. Jim I will give you a holler soon. Boone, I like your post about "Human intrusion is ALWAYS on my radar."
TEJAS , like your thoughts about keeping the trap clean and about new sets.
I am older than dirt. When I started out if you caught a fox in a dragged trap, you took that trap back to the boiler. I have listened to guys on some videos say they take the dragged trap and put it back. It just does not make sense to me.
Lots of great posts.
Mac
Imo a drag is to preserve set location,,, but remakes really shine some places some of the time that's a reason to stake some of the time.
Kenneth schoening
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