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Snare Endstop Failure #7257354 05/04/21 10:58 AM 05/04/21 10:58 AM
Joined: Nov 2010 Rochester, MN Teacher OP trapper
Teacher OP trapper Joined: Nov 2010 Rochester, MN	It’s got me bothered. I swaged a big end stop on a 3/32 7x7 cable and it popped off. We think it was an adult otter and it’s fine that it got away because trying to release an ornery otter, without a catch pole, wouldn’t have been fun. But the fact that the end stop came off is bothering me. To be fair, none of the beavers nor incidental coon caused an endstop failure. Being new to snare building, I over think things. Am I over thinking this? Last edited by Teacher; 05/04/21 11:23 AM. Never too old to learn

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7257376 05/04/21 11:32 AM 05/04/21 11:32 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Lakeland,Minnesota B Bogmaster trapper
Bogmaster trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 Lakeland,Minnesota	Were you using a breakaway stop or a regular aluminum stop? Tom If my feet aren't wet,I must not be trapping. Tom Olson MTA life member#100,also WTA life member

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7257379 05/04/21 11:41 AM 05/04/21 11:41 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Port Republic South Jersey N Newt trapper
Newt trapper N Joined: Dec 2006 Port Republic South Jersey	This is how I do "all" end stops Using a double ferrule - make a loop- pull loop as tight as you can- now crimp the double ferrule. Now the end stops are stronger that the cable its self. South Jersey Trapping and Snaring School January 17-18-19 2025 NEWT -----------------OVER---------------- www.snareone.com

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7257386 05/04/21 11:50 AM 05/04/21 11:50 AM
Joined: Jul 2009 100 Mile House, BC Can bctomcat trapper
bctomcat trapper Joined: Jul 2009 100 Mile House, BC Can	Another way to strenghten the holding power of end stops is to cross punch them with a standard screw driver. Last edited by bctomcat; 05/04/21 11:54 AM. The only constant in trapping is change so keep learning.

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7257403 05/04/21 12:24 PM 05/04/21 12:24 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	For wolf. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7257408 05/04/21 12:30 PM 05/04/21 12:30 PM
Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt. B Boco trapper
Boco trapper B Joined: Aug 2011 james bay frontierOnt.	For everything else. Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7257450 05/04/21 01:40 PM 05/04/21 01:40 PM
Joined: Nov 2010 Rochester, MN Teacher OP trapper
Teacher OP trapper Joined: Nov 2010 Rochester, MN	I have breakaway “s” attached to all locks. The stop was the big aluminum stops available thru Cumberlands. In the past, I flattened them with a hammer. Now I’m mashing them with a bench swager. This is the one that failed. On about half of the snares made, I’ve put a steel stop at the end of the cable where it passes thru the breakaway. These stops are threaded and really bite . They’re a bit stiff for the swager so I beat them on with a hammer. I’ve got some of your snares, Newt. Unless you’re using a different ferrule than I have, you’ve got to be one strong son-of-a-gun to pull that loop so tight! Last edited by Teacher; 05/04/21 01:43 PM. Never too old to learn

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7257496 05/04/21 02:30 PM 05/04/21 02:30 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Lakeland,Minnesota B Bogmaster trapper
Bogmaster trapper B Joined: Dec 2006 Lakeland,Minnesota	I have a big bench swager--never used it. I hammer all the aluminum stops on the snares,cable restraints ,slidewires,and cable stakes. Why do I still hammer? because I have never had a customer call me and tell me one of the stops failed. I do use the special tool on the break away ferrules and that is a type of swager--but it is needed to get the correct breakaway poundage. Remeber using a 2 pound hammer--helps build arm strength.-LOL Tom If my feet aren't wet,I must not be trapping. Tom Olson MTA life member#100,also WTA life member

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7257519 05/04/21 03:14 PM 05/04/21 03:14 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Port Republic South Jersey N Newt trapper
Newt trapper N Joined: Dec 2006 Port Republic South Jersey	Originally Posted by Teacher I have breakaway s attached to all locks. The stop was the big aluminum stops available thru Cumberlands. In the past, I flattened them with a hammer. Now Im mashing them with a bench swager. This is the one that failed. On about half of the snares made, Ive put a steel stop at the end of the cable where it passes thru the breakaway. These stops are threaded and really bite . Theyre a bit stiff for the swager so I beat them on with a hammer. Ive got some of your snares, Newt. Unless youre using a different ferrule than I have, youve got to be one strong son-of-a-gun to pull that loop so tight! I'v got a pice of steel,with a notch cut in it,mounted to my bench,the cable fits in the notch. Then I can grab the cable with both hands and give it a sharp pull. South Jersey Trapping and Snaring School January 17-18-19 2025 NEWT -----------------OVER---------------- www.snareone.com

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7258046 05/05/21 07:41 AM 05/05/21 07:41 AM
Joined: Aug 2015 NE NE W Wife trapper
Wife trapper W Joined: Aug 2015 NE NE	Tom, ,,, or you can get a strong arm AND tennis elbow................... LOL. Same end stop slippage has happened to me using my bench swagger when using 8-10' extensions in the open trails. Had a coon do it right before my eyes when he bailed off a creek bank (big 25 # coon) and a coyote did it before I arrived once so I had to catch him again with another one 200 yards away a month later. I hammer stops now or triple crimp (especially 1X19 cable).... the mike

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7258285 05/05/21 04:02 PM 05/05/21 04:02 PM
Joined: Dec 2010 Central, SD Law Dog trapper
Law Dog trapper Joined: Dec 2010 Central, SD	With the aluminum stop ends I leave a little extra cable sticking out when swagging them I squeeze both ends then the middle where it rises up a bit, the double ends increase the holding power by creating angles that increase the holding power like stated above. Steel ends are no better from my experience the stake ends pull out before most breakaways will. Your swagger should have a check gauge that comes with it to insure it crimping properly I had a pivot pin break once and had to replace it to get it to work right. Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that! Jerry Herbst

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7258513 05/05/21 09:08 PM 05/05/21 09:08 PM
Joined: Nov 2012 Frazee, MN B backroadsarcher trapper
backroadsarcher trapper B Joined: Nov 2012 Frazee, MN	I still pound all my aluminum stops on. I use 1x19 5/64 cable and I still haven't had problems with any of the critters I have caught. I have used these for many - many years.

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7258633 05/05/21 11:30 PM 05/05/21 11:30 PM
Joined: Jul 2008 Idaho Falls, Idaho F Furvor trapper
Furvor trapper F Joined: Jul 2008 Idaho Falls, Idaho	I abandoned aluminum stops and annealed nuts years ago. "Threaded" mini steel stops are #1 if properly swaged. Yes, I said swaged. That's tough on the swager but they don't fail. Hammering on any kind of end stop is a gamble. I never wanted the bulk of methods like doubling through a ferrule, nor did I want frayed cable ends sticking out to tangle in fur. Last edited by Furvor; 05/05/21 11:50 PM.

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7258691 05/06/21 05:53 AM 05/06/21 05:53 AM
Joined: Dec 2006 Northern Illinois M MChewk trapper
MChewk trapper M Joined: Dec 2006 Northern Illinois	Backroads are you using two stops on the end like some others do?

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: MChewk] #7258731 05/06/21 07:39 AM 05/06/21 07:39 AM
Joined: Nov 2012 Frazee, MN B backroadsarcher trapper
backroadsarcher trapper B Joined: Nov 2012 Frazee, MN	Originally Posted by MChewk Backroads are you using two stops on the end like some others do? No just one on each end

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7300594 07/06/21 02:53 PM 07/06/21 02:53 PM
Joined: Dec 2006 Cheyenne Wyoming C Castormound trapper
Castormound trapper C Joined: Dec 2006 Cheyenne Wyoming	If it's just one time, I wouldn't worry about it Antelope, the original fast food!!

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7305477 07/13/21 10:30 PM 07/13/21 10:30 PM
Joined: Apr 2007 Central Ohio LT GREY trapper
LT GREY trapper Joined: Apr 2007 Central Ohio	Since almost every snare I use, except for mink, is 1X19, I double all stops and ferrules. 1X19 is slick cable and big beaver and coyote can on occasion 'pop' a single one-off. I still hammer mine flat. Extra insurance. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it, IMO

Re: Snare Endstop Failure [Re: Teacher] #7305525 07/13/21 11:34 PM 07/13/21 11:34 PM
Joined: Mar 2010 SD Boone Liane trapper
Boone Liane trapper Joined: Mar 2010 SD	Any stop that has to support a load and isn’t supposed to move is always threaded on my gear. I like the mini steel cable ends like the snare shop sells.

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