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who sabotaged Nord Stream? #7680565
09/28/22 12:46 AM
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USA? Great Britain? Zelensky?



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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680567
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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680573
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somebody with submarines and it wasn't Russia or China.


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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680574
09/28/22 02:11 AM
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I was in hope that was a hoax as even if we didn't you can bet we will get the blame for it. Our Looney tunes in charge had said he would shut it down.


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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680586
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who threatened to shut it down last week?

Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680600
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Thing is, Russia already stopped sending gas thru it. Could this be a good excuse for not sending gas this winter for heating?

Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680615
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Only one maybe two countries IMO that have the military capability and intelligence to pull off a stunt like that.

One thing for certain is the USSA has been opposed to both Nordstream pipelines since day 1. Biden even said back in early February that if Russia invaded Ukraine, that there would not be a Nordstream 2 pipeline.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/biden-german-chancellor-nord-stream-2-russia/

Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: turkn8rtrapper] #7680727
09/28/22 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by turkn8rtrapper
somebody with submarines and it wasn't Russia or China.


You don't need or want a sub for that job a small ROV will do just fine or a couple of divers. Any half way decent commercial diving outfit could have shut it down / blown an hole into it. The baltic is pretty shallow in most places and blowing a hole into a pipe is not rocket surgery.


Let's go Brandon

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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Drifter] #7680728
09/28/22 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by Drifter
I was in hope that was a hoax as even if we didn't you can bet we will get the blame for it. Our Looney tunes in charge had said he would shut it down.

He's our worst best enemy


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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Scuba1] #7680733
09/28/22 08:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
Originally Posted by turkn8rtrapper
somebody with submarines and it wasn't Russia or China.


You don't need or want a sub for that job a small ROV will do just fine or a couple of divers. Any half way decent commercial diving outfit could have shut it down / blown an hole into it. The baltic is pretty shallow in most places and blowing a hole into a pipe is not rocket surgery.


That is what I was thinking. My understanding is the Baltic is to shallow and confined to be sending fleet subs into.

Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680748
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The reason that Germany's attack subs are as small as they are is because of the depth / lack thereof in the Baltic. Any American sub in that puddle would stick out like a cockroach on a birthday cake.

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Let's go Brandon

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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680773
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You guys should be happy. Trump blocked completion of 2 for years. Ted Cruz tried to keep 2 shutdown before Biden let it go. Then the German Greenies blocked the permits starting it up. Now Ted's Texas can sell LNG to Europe and the price of natural gas in the good ole USA is going up for you. I know how much you guys like high energy prices. Funny how things get all convoluted. smile


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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Dirt] #7680778
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Originally Posted by Dirt
You guys should be happy. Trump blocked completion of 2 for years. Ted Cruz tried to keep 2 shutdown before Biden let it go. Then the German Greenies blocked the permits starting it up. Now Ted's Texas can sell LNG to Europe and the price of natural gas in the good ole USA is going up for you. I know how much you guys like high energy prices. Funny how things get all convoluted. smile



And Trump warned Germany about being energy dependent on Russia.
They laughed at him.


Meanwhile, Biden pushed for that pipeline, while stopping our own
Funny how it all worked out...
Sorta like there's a plan...




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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680784
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Now Germany is dependent on more expensive LNG from Texas just like Ted and Trump wanted. It would be terrible to be dependent on cheap Russian gas when you can switch to being dependent on expensive American gas. Either way you are dependent on some foreign country.

" Europe needs natural gas and it will import as much compressed natural gas, called Liquified Natural Gas, or LNG, as it can. And while the U.S. is a major source of LNG because of its abundant natural gas supplies, LNG export facilities take years to build. Existing U.S. LNG export levels are literally maxed out in terms of capacity"

Looks like the U.S. can't even supply the volume that Russia could.

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Neither pipeline was pumping gas at the time of the leaks but both lines were still pressurized: Nord Stream 1 stopped pumping gas to Europe “indefinitely” earlier this month, with Moscow’s operator saying international sanctions on Russia prevented it from carrying out vital maintenance work.

The Nord Stream 2 pipeline, meanwhile, never officially opened as Germany refused to certify it for commercial operations due to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine.

Biden said, He could and would take out Nord Stream 2.

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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680793
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Certification halted in Nov 2021; before the war.

"The approval process was further complicated after Poland and Ukraine – both strongly opposed to the project – were given the right to participate in it. However, they can only issue their judgement on the project, and lack veto powers to block it."


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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680796
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Trump did it.

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Originally Posted by Rat Masterson
Trump did it.


Yeah, but only because the Russians wanted him to. You know how he colluded with Russia to steal the election. He's been pro-Russian all along. whistle


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Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680850
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A NG pipeline from Poland just went online the same day as they blew up the NS

Re: who sabotaged Nord Stream? [Re: Marty] #7680851
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It would not surprise me if Russia sabotaged it. They will of course point the finger at someone else. BUT, just last week Germany nationalized Uni Per. The company that owned the infrastructure and that is responsible for importing all gas to Germany. Russia could see it as a stick in the eye of Germany for supporting Ukraine, even though Russia had already stopped shipping gas.

Who knows ? Lots of possibilities


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