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Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer #7723205
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I have a cousin that's having issues with a very poor example of a conservation officer over the last few years.
My cousin has permission to hunt 40acres behind his house. 2 years ago he took his wife hunting and she shot a very nice buck. It ran across a road and a truck shot several shots at the deer from the road then quickly worked on leading it. Naturally the CO was called. The blood trail was obvious the hole in the deer came from the opposite side that the direction the guy in the truck was shooting from. Not even mentioning that shooting feonm a vehicle is illegal.
But the poacher is a big money land owner and the deer expired on his ground, the CO hunts his property AND rents a house from the guy. Let's just say it was a very sad day for the Indiana Conservation officers that day and left a very negative impact on a young woman trying to do the right think and tag her first buck.

Two formal complaints were dismissed.
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Yesterday evening my cousin now geting divorced so only his 2nd time hunting shot a 180 + hit it hard and again when it stoped at the wood line. Blood out of this world but crossed the property line again.

He backed out to make some calls going to try to get a CO to help him recover his deer. Little did he know the same CO from before would come out to him getting in his face where he has permission to be and accuse him of trespassing, killing his deer he has been hunting since October, treating to take him to jail and being a basic antler crazed jack booted thug. He not only won't help him recover his deer but does not want him to and want it for himself. He said he would send him some pictures of it if he finds it.It's a very sad thing and will not be corrected becust the guy is connected. Formal complaints do no good .

It gives our very good Conservation officers a bad name but I'm sure they also know how he is or at least have herd rumors of it by now so at best are complicit. It's hard to teach my kids respect for them when they hear about this type of behavior from a cousin they really look up to.

Just thought I would share some examples and experience on why I don't always jump on the back the blue band wagon and prefere to keep them art arms length. And why many people distrust them. It only takes a few bad ones to run the batch.





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I know some fantastic ones and some that are scum.
Just like the general population.

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You become part of the problem by grouping "them" all together.

Does one "bad" egg make the entire dozen bad?

Come on! Teach you kids and yourself how to single out the good from the bad.


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You call the landowner, then the Sheriff if that happens, not the Gamewarden. If you have problems with a CO, You call his boss, then his bosses boss. Works , Trust me.

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Cousin should of filmed it the second time.

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A lot could be said here ...

Throwing out all the He said she said stuff; if they would practice and learn deer anatomy- and ONLY limit themselves to shots like upper leg Scapula (and a couple others) the Deer would Fold up like a dove.

Range time and anatomy lessons would
Seem to be a couple ways they could avoid many issues.

Also take the complaints higher in chain of command. Almost everyone has a Boss.


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Does Indiana have retrieval rights of wounded game is my question if ends up on private property? Here unarmed retrieval applies to small game but not to big game.


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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
You become part of the problem by grouping "them" all together.

Does one "bad" egg make the entire dozen bad?

Come on! Teach you kids and yourself how to single out the good from the bad.



I'm sorry you got that from my post. I thought it was Cristal clear this turd leaves a much larger stain on the hard working honest salt of the earth CO'S.

But they don't police their own. Just because someone is law enforcement they don't get a free pass they get heald to higher standards.

The officer is also from a politically connected family in the county. Short of video of the events nothing will happen and there is none of that. And if there was it would likely go nowhere.

Have you ever been at a point in your life when your so low your hanging by a thread? Like say maybe getting divorced and you have very little keeping you sane. That jack boot has no idea how close he came to being a 15 min hero. On the news..

A true piece of scum stomping on someone doing everything right and legal becuse he is jealous a deer he wanted to kill was killed by someone else.

I'm going to see if my cousin wants me to take the boys down and have them tag out on that county. I will get video.

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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Does Indiana have retrieval rights of wounded game is my question if ends up on private property? Here unarmed retrieval applies to small game but not to big game.


Must have land owner permission

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Well your cousin could blast the dude and the organization on Facebook. I mean posting on their pages, not just his own. Seems like that’s how people fight nowadays.

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Sick the divorce lawyer on him, they like big bucks.





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Does he hunt close to the property line? I have seen deer with a lethal hit go 80 to 100 yards, smart play is to back off the property line so this doesn't happen. I put my farm in wildlife habitat and have had people sit right behind my house on the line. I just go tell them to back off because if they shoot one and it runs into my cover they aren't going after it. If I let them, my place would be surrounded and I have also had people shoot across the line.


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Originally Posted by DWC
Well your cousin could blast the dude and the organization on Facebook. I mean posting on their pages, not just his own. Seems like that’s how people fight nowadays.



We're not much on social media. I thought about calling the head dnr office in the capital but without any proof we are just hear say at best.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723258
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Some of the worst poachers I have known were game wardens or their kids. However, that was the exception not the rule.

Like mentioned above, sounds like some range time and anatomy lessons are in order.


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Does Indiana have retrieval rights of wounded game is my question if ends up on private property? Here unarmed retrieval applies to small game but not to big game.


Must have land owner permission



So is that the issue here or am I missing something not enforcing the road hunting should be addressed but go outside the area or you will get no place fast. If there is no retrieval and the deer is on private ground I don’t see a case about that, landowner rights.

The right thing and the law don’t go hand in hand every time and is abused by some because they can.

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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Like mentioned above, sounds like some range time and anatomy lessons are in order.


careful, BC...your post might get deleted, too!

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Not wanting to ruffle feathers, but after the first instance he should’ve known better.

We used to hunt 12ac that was in the shape of a pencil. At the widest point in was 150yds wide.
First thing we did was talk to both landowners on either side of us. One didn’t have an issue, just retrieve it if we saw it fall. The other wanted to be called immediately and wait until he showed up.
Next thing was teach my boys where to shoot and drop a deer on the spot…high shoulder and neck.
In 4 years of hunting that land, we had one deer that made it all of 50yds on the side we could retrieve on. I still called the landowner and informed him incase he saw me on a camera.
I even shot 4 deer with a bow out of the stand that was dead center of the widest point.

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He should ask for the officer's body cam video. (Disregard this as I just went back and read where there is no officer video)

Any future encounters he should video the officer himself with his phone.

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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Not wanting to ruffle feathers, but after the first instance he should’ve known better.

We used to hunt 12ac that was in the shape of a pencil. At the widest point in was 150yds wide.
First thing we did was talk to both landowners on either side of us. One didn’t have an issue, just retrieve it if we saw it fall. The other wanted to be called immediately and wait until he showed up.
Next thing was teach my boys where to shoot and drop a deer on the spot…high shoulder and neck.
In 4 years of hunting that land, we had one deer that made it all of 50yds on the side we could retrieve on. I still called the landowner and informed him incase he saw me on a camera.
I even shot 4 deer with a bow out of the stand that was dead center of the widest point.

Amen to That...


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I know quite a few people that I consider to be very good friends that are employed by my states Conservation & Law Enforcement Division They do their job well and they are true professionals . And they are an asset to their employer and all that live in that state I value their friendship very much .From time to time I hear of some of the incidents that are part of them doing their jobs .If any of us had to deal with some of the fools they encounter on a regular basis We. would likely get upset and perhaps have a bad day also .I must also say that some of my meetings with the officers that did not go about doing their job in the same professional manner as the others I mentioned before can be some real arrogant jerks Some are on a power trip .Others get some satisfaction in how many fines they hand out . And in some cases those people that are enforcing the law are using their position to be law breaker themselves When that happens everyone loses Most often even though it is extremely rare they are the ones that we see as a part of human anatomy. that is vital to our every day existence but it still smells bad at times If you are certain you are in the right than go to the next man up his supervisor and file a complaint Have proof and most of all be professional .Yelling and name calling works against you And take an honest look a what is happening and look for ways to avoid those situations ..

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You have got to register a complaint, in person, with this guys immediate supervisor. Figure out where the administration office is, call in there to get an appointment, show up and talk to supervisor calmly and rationally. Expect and welcome scrutiny cause you're going to get some so have your ducks in a row. Recognize most game wardens figure if they are not getting a complaint or two, they are doing a poor job. You gotta stick with it to show the leadership that this is way above the normal hunter complaint and borders on harrassment. At some level the supervisor will want to make the complaints stop.

If that doesn't work go on up the line. Good luck.

Is this rifle hunting or archery?

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Is this the same cousin in both cases or two different cousins?

If it’s the same, he should have learned from that first incident. I would never call a CO again if he did that to me.

Also he must be hunting pretty darn close to someone’s property line when they give the smack down on a deer and blood every where, and they’re still running to the neighbours property.


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Blain County my cousin could teach you lessons and has shot more rounds than most people walking. But I'm sure every deer you shoot drops in its tracks with a head shot. Especially 400 yard shots. He had probably shot more rounds out of one of his bolt guns alone than you have in your life. I know one thar has been set back 3 times then replaced with new barrel when it was not able to be set back again. That one barrel had 17k rounds through it. Carry on your ignorance is showing.

The problem is not the the deer crossed the property line. That's how it goes sometimes. That deer is a lose. Sucks but nothing you can do.

The problem Is the guy not prosecuting road hunting and going out of his was to harassing my cousin being where he was right and legal to be make threats and out right lie and using his badge to bully him.

My cousin called another CO we know and his reply was. The other Co should have called the land owner but if they said no the answer is no We know that. He also said that that officer is like that and acts like that a lot with a lot of people. And proves my point his Co workers know how he is.



That game warden was not on duty but hunting on the adjacent land came over to him in his warden vehicle lights flashing and acused him of trespassing , killing his deer he has been hunting since october,, and messing up his hunt. He went so far as to say he saw him trespassing the forgot his lye and claimed to have a witness that would testify he was.
He never did, infact tracking with the hunt map shows that. It's just the guy being jerks. But boot lickers will be boot lickers.

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Jurassic it's big field country with tree lines and thickets and his chunk is only 40 acres. Shots can be long 398 in this case.

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Lot of facets to this diamond. We run into the same situation. Small properties, so same deer are being chased by a lot of hunters. Especially if it's Mr. Big. Guy that hunts the property across the road from me told me there were about 10 different guys after the same bucks he was. Which is why I plug the yearling does. Nobody cares about those and a pound of ground from one of those is just as good to me.

To pile on to what others have suggested, first and best solution is to drop them where they stand, so no running off to chase. Nephew had nasty confrontation with adjacent owner last year. He took an ill advised shot at Mr. Big, hit him, but he lost blood trail 1/4 mile away, on adjacent property. Deer was never found. Neighbor is a hot head who was after that buck, so gonna be no fixing that relationship. Jumping fences for us is even worse when bow hunting, and especially so when you suck at it.

As to CO in question, years ago, I ran into same situation with a Farmers Home Administration loan officer. Employee of USDA. County office, but very well connected at state level. His indiscretion? Was making loans to single mothers in exchange for bedroom favors. Had a whole milk run setup. Probably over a dozen or more once they documented all of it. Took a long, long time, but he was eventually fired, as was his contacts up top. If they are rotten to the core, it eventually catches up to them.


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Blain County my cousin could teach you lessons and has shot more rounds than most people walking. But I'm sure every deer you shoot drops in its tracks with a head shot. Especially 400 yard shots. He had probably shot more rounds out of one of his bolt guns alone than you have in your life. I know one thar has been set back 3 times then replaced with new barrel when it was not able to be set back again. That one barrel had 17k rounds through it. Carry on your ignorance is showing.

The problem is not the the deer crossed the property line. That's how it goes sometimes. That deer is a lose. Sucks but nothing you can do.

The problem Is the guy not prosecuting road hunting and going out of his was to harassing my cousin being where he was right and legal to be make threats and out right lie and using his badge to bully him.

My cousin called another CO we know and his reply was. The other Co should have called the land owner but if they said no the answer is no We know that. He also said that that officer is like that and acts like that a lot with a lot of people. And proves my point his Co workers know how he is.



That game warden was not on duty but hunting on the adjacent land came over to him in his warden vehicle lights flashing and acused him of trespassing , killing his deer he has been hunting since october,, and messing up his hunt. He went so far as to say he saw him trespassing the forgot his lye and claimed to have a witness that would testify he was.
He never did, infact tracking with the hunt map shows that. It's just the guy being jerks. But boot lickers will be boot lickers.





Now I'm confused. First you said your cousin called the CO (both times) and now you're saying he didn't but the guy was hunting nearby and came running over when he shot?


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Blain County my cousin could teach you lessons and has shot more rounds than most people walking. But I'm sure every deer you shoot drops in its tracks with a head shot. Especially 400 yard shots. He had probably shot more rounds out of one of his bolt guns alone than you have in your life. I know one thar has been set back 3 times then replaced with new barrel when it was not able to be set back again. That one barrel had 17k rounds through it. Carry on your ignorance is showing.



I bet. Sounds like a real sniper. Can he give us all marital advice too?

You came on a public forum telling his story then you get all bent out of shape because people did not jump on your drama train--which seems to run a lot.


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He called the first time . This time he walked the 2' wide blood trails enough to see it made be it across the line then went back to his truck to call one of the good wardens we know but before he got through to him the other guy came up on him. Hope that clears it up if I jumbled it.
Sorry I'm angry , recovering form being sick and excitedly behind on everything from beings sick.

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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Blain County my cousin could teach you lessons and has shot more rounds than most people walking. But I'm sure every deer you shoot drops in its tracks with a head shot. Especially 400 yard shots. He had probably shot more rounds out of one of his bolt guns alone than you have in your life. I know one thar has been set back 3 times then replaced with new barrel when it was not able to be set back again. That one barrel had 17k rounds through it. Carry on your ignorance is showing.



I bet. Sounds like a real sniper. Can he give us all marital advice too?

You came on a public forum telling his story then you get all bent out of shape because people did not jump on your drama train--which seems to run a lot.


You have no problem jumping on with your uninformed opinions though. But I expect that out of your type. Trying to be condescending with " real snipper" for example.

No just an actual outdoorsman that really shoots and not just talking about it. Probably hard for many to comprehend. Very easy to get hi rounds counts when you have a 300 yard range I. Your back yard 30yard of your back door like he does and another place 1/2 mie away we can get out to 1150 yards. Some people dream about it and wright about it other people actually live it.

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Ohhh...the drama


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Sounds like you are surrounded by people where you hunt,bummer.


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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723317
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You have to be persistent and don't expect results right away.I worked for the feds for 15 years and excusing this by saying they deal with jerks all the time is bull.They go thru a lot training to deal with situations such as this and are expected to act like professionals not Sheriff Fudd.Just calling his supervisor may or may not produce results,especially if they work out of the same office and chum around together after work.Go up the chain of command and don't let it go.


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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Diggerman] #7723318
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Originally Posted by Diggerman
You call the landowner, then the Sheriff if that happens, not the Gamewarden. If you have problems with a CO, You call his boss, then his bosses boss. Works , Trust me.



Lot of truth there.

Corruption hates when you cross lines & departments

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Blaine County] #7723328
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Blain County my cousin could teach you lessons and has shot more rounds than most people walking. But I'm sure every deer you shoot drops in its tracks with a head shot. Especially 400 yard shots. He had probably shot more rounds out of one of his bolt guns alone than you have in your life. I know one thar has been set back 3 times then replaced with new barrel when it was not able to be set back again. That one barrel had 17k rounds through it. Carry on your ignorance is showing.



I bet. Sounds like a real sniper. Can he give us all marital advice too?

You came on a public forum telling his story then you get all bent out of shape because people did not jump on your drama train--which seems to run a lot.


I'm "hip", BC.

[same thing happened to me on another PF thread. on that one, my response got deleted by mods.]

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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7723338
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
He should ask for the officer's body cam video. (Disregard this as I just went back and read where there is no officer video)

Any future encounters he should video the officer himself with his phone.



He was going to get his phone out of the truck but the officer wouldn't let him open the truck. Must have been scared of geting on video and the rifle in the truck. Funny he never thought about the possibility of the concealed gun on his hip.

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PF, coming on here wasting your time is not going to do a darn thing, but make drama. Your time, in this case for sure, would be much better spent contacting your state’s supervisors of this guy. It is public information that is quite easy to get. That is, if you really want to resolve the issue….


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Reportng to the head warden in the state with detailed documentation may not get your cousin justice but having those reports in the CO's file won't help him in the long run. We all want money and power but when it is used against us we don't approve. (the shooting from the road). We here can only read and then offer thoughts but no real resolution.

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in kansas the whole agency is corrupt......it really cannot get any worse. Park ranger was caught embezzling $ from the park. Big article in the paper with the proof. He was never prosecuted and they said they fired him. I just ran into someone who said he is now a game warden....same agency runs the parks.....kdwp. That agency is filled with people who have law enforcement powers and think they can get away with anything.



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Originally Posted by TC1
PF, coming on here wasting your time is not going to do a darn thing, but make drama. Your time, in this case for sure, would be much better spent contacting your state’s supervisors of this guy. It is public information that is quite easy to get. That is, if you really want to resolve the issue….



With no proof it will go no where. 2 formal complaints filed vanished after the first time . When the first complaint vanished from the system they filed a 2nd one.Corruption is deep in that area. The good CO'S tend to keep their heads down. And there are some out standing officers in that district.

This one is just not well suited for his position. But his family is vary well connected like a judge is ni his family and a road has his last name.

It very common for big money land owners to run rough shaped over the little people. They hire off duty leo to patrol using their cop cars burning county paid for fuel as their own privet police force. Of course the job cuts with hunting privileges to the in clubs. They think they own the entire county. Judges the district attorney are all in the click.

I have not hunted in that area in years. I still work down there but have not hunted down there since I moved. But I wacthed how it works for decades when I did hunt and live down there.

Without clear video evidence and making thet publicly available nothing will change there. I'm not involved but I'm ticked such a low life is using his badge to bully the little guy.

This post was not ment to start drama. Just point out why not all conservation officers walk on water and should not be given a free pass automatically. Even this guys could workers know he is a jerk, but he is a well connected jerk.

Then bc decided chime in.

Someday he will come across a guy with nothing to loose or live for and bluster and bulling will get called. Then that jetk we'll be called a fallen hero and talked about how wonderful he was and such a great public servant. And who ever the poor chap that looses it on him will spent the rest of his life in jail.


For all those like Blain County feel free to put me on ignore .

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Haha, didn’t even know there was an ignore feature until I went to send someone a message and it told me I wasn’t allowed. Guess I got under someone’s skin in the past and didn’t know it.

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You don't have a warden issue, you have a CO system issue and we are not able to help you or any outdoor persons in IN get resolution for that. Does not sound like it is new either or to just thise individual. Also looks as if the local LE staff is involve as well. Money talks and that makes for less compliance to any and all ordinances or regs.

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Originally Posted by Boco
Sounds like you are surrounded by people where you hunt,bummer.



Yes baco it's not wide open wilderness down here. Lots of big land owners , leasing, and small acres with houses mixed in. There are some nice size 20k acres pieces of public ground within an hour. The boys hunt on our farm and public ground. The public gets crowded and some is rugged and steep with near 200" elevation changes. The terrain acts as a funnel and keeps most hunters close to the road.

But I prefer hunting the big public tracks with their lower deer population becuse I don't like being boxed in. I don't have any problems with my neighbor and have only had one of ours make it 3 bounds over the line. I also welcomed them and helped them track a buck they shot across my farm before the blood ran out.

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I know of a couple instances where the LEO in question was either assigned a different county or promoted to a desk job. For the most part they’ve all been good. I’ve even hunted with a few and had a great time.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
With no proof it will go no where. 2 formal complaints filed vanished after the first time . When the first complaint vanished from the system they filed a 2nd one.Corruption is deep in that area. The good CO'S tend to keep their heads down. And there are some out standing officers in that district.

This one is just not well suited for his position. But his family is vary well connected like a judge is ni his family and a road has his last name.

It very common for big money land owners to run rough shaped over the little people. They hire off duty leo to patrol using their cop cars burning county paid for fuel as their own privet police force. Of course the job cuts with hunting privileges to the in clubs. They think they own the entire county. Judges the district attorney are all in the click.


so much to "unpack" here, but I won't waste my time. I could offer some thoughts that could explain some of this to a rational person; and a concrete suggestion to help, if what he's saying is actually true.

but PF has already decided to be a "Victim-by-Proxy" in this case. And his automatic response to having his assertions even QUESTIONED, is to lash out.

Carry On, Mr. Victim.

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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Haha, didn’t even know there was an ignore feature until I went to send someone a message and it told me I wasn’t allowed. Guess I got under someone’s skin in the past and didn’t know it.



I did the same. Went to send scuba a pm conserving his post about his gift but couldn't becuse I was on ignore. O well was trying to keep him out of a hot seat.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723382
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I dont think it is necessary to put anyone on ignore in order to ignore them.
That seems very childish.

PF,Plaster that CO's face all over local facebook and any other media you can and slander the h--- out of him-remember its not slander if you are telling the truth.
And get a couple hundred of your friends/family to do the same.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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be careful who you make enemies of....especially when it will not do anything to resolve the situation. you need to play the game so it benefits you or at least is not to your detriment.



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Originally Posted by Marty
be careful who you make enemies of....especially when it will not do anything to resolve the situation. you need to play the game so it benefits you or at least is not to your detriment.


Thats called the Ben Dover attitude.


Forget that fear of gravity-get a little savagery in your life.
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
With no proof it will go no where. 2 formal complaints filed vanished after the first time .


well, what SHOULD have been done to him; considering you admit you have "no proof"?



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In KY. doesn't matter where you shoot a deer if it goes on private property you need landowner permission to retrieve it. Is that the law there?

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7723408
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This reminds me of the old Coonman posts.


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I have a CO that I tried to turn in several times, but was unsuccessful. Good luck. This guy used his badge to steal from me. In the end I came out ahead by using my powers to lighten his wallet on a repair bill.

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Originally Posted by bblwi
You don't have a warden issue, you have a CO system issue and we are not able to help you or any outdoor persons in IN get resolution for that. Does not sound like it is new either or to just thise individual. Also looks as if the local LE staff is involve as well. Money talks and that makes for less compliance to any and all ordinances or regs.

Bryce


You have no idea. Fla few decades back wild hogs showed up. Everyone knows the county prosicuter turnd them out on his huge coal mine lease to hunt with all the big shots. Luckily thay never grew to a large population and the last one I know of that was shot by a guy deer hunting was several years back

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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
You become part of the problem by grouping "them" all together.

Does one "bad" egg make the entire dozen bad?

Come on! Teach you kids and yourself how to single out the good from the bad.

I must have missed the part of the original post where he grouped all of "Them: together. I did see where he said it gives the good officers a bad name. Which is true.


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Remember, when going after revenge, always dig two graves.....just sayin.

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Looks likes nothing has changed here! LOL


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I deal with Indiana Conservation Officers several times a year, and while I have had one check me out very thoroughly because I got under the skin of a Fish and Wildlife Area assistant director, all of them, including the one that was “sicked” on me, have been professional and have not abused their power at all. The one did check out every detail, but after finding no violations he said “have a good rest of your hunt sir!”.

No matter what the rights/wrongs of this particular situation, I do have some advice for future contact with Indiana COs. Always initiate any contact by calling central dispatch- (812) 837-9536. Yes, I have cell phone numbers for several officers, but I would only call them for personal “non-business” stuff like talking about the game or to go drink a beer. When you start with central dispatch, you have initiated a dispatch to the officer that gets the the job, and there is a record starting with the main office. I have never called central dispatch and not had my concern addressed. It may not help at this point, and there may be no way to help your situation from your perspective, but I highly recommend always calling central dispatch first when contacting DNR law enforcement.

Worth noting that in IN conservation officers tend to be very professional and are the preeminent law enforcement in the state. They are the only law enforcement officers tasked with enforcing every state law, and are the only LEO who can arrest the governor. In MOST cases, this holds them to a high standard of training and professionalism. Not saying it’s impossible for an abuse of authority to happen, but it does bode well for the advice that others have given to take it higher on the chain of command - if a CO s abusing authority, I don’t get the feeling that the lieutenants will take that kind of thing lightly. But you better be sure your ducks are in a row, that you have not done anything that is a violation, and that you are not pulling any baloney with them if you start down that path.

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Rule of thumb never call a Leo no good will come of it they are not your friend our buddy they have a job to do and some are narcissist . Some are good some are bad but you don’t know what your getting when you call .I find it is just best to not include them in any dealings . Next time just go to land owner that is my 2 cents .

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Just have him keep shooting bucks, eventually they will let him retrieve one of them out of fear they are going to run out of deer.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
He should ask for the officer's body cam video. (Disregard this as I just went back and read where there is no officer video)

Any future encounters he should video the officer himself with his phone.



He was going to get his phone out of the truck but the officer wouldn't let him open the truck. Must have been scared of geting on video and the rifle in the truck. Funny he never thought about the possibility of the concealed gun on his hip.

What do you mean," officer wouldnt let him open the truck"? Was he being detained? People, You need to understand your rights, You do not need to take crap from a CO, If you feel the least bit uncomfortable, You call 911 or ask for his superior. If you did nothing wrong and are in the right, you certainly shouldnt take any crap. If you did, you deserve it.

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Similar happened here last year.Friend of my older son shot a slammer buck during bow season.Although he did nothing wrong,,a local warden liked to hunt very near where he got it.Gave him the third degree.Kicker is,,this kid wouldn't poach an egg let alone any game.Theres good ones and bad ones just like any walk in life.


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A few rules of engagement for future consideration because IMO you ain’t getting nothing out of this encounter but more aggravation


Always film and record interactions with guberment officials

Be very careful what you say to them and better to not to say anything

Don’t invite them into a situation. Because there isn’t situation that they can’t make worse

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We have a doe season here in KS. Dont have to deal with trophy hunters


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
We have a doe season here in KS. Dont have to deal with trophy hunters

A doe season? As in only certain times of the year you can shoot a doe?

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Originally Posted by Boco
Originally Posted by Marty
be careful who you make enemies of....especially when it will not do anything to resolve the situation. you need to play the game so it benefits you or at least is not to your detriment.


Thats called the Ben Dover attitude.


I thought it was the canadien attitude?



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A doe only season Wanna be. During the regular season you have to buy a pricey either sex tag before you can buy anterless only. in the antlerless only season you dont have to.

Some good guys in our wildlife dept but seems they no longer have much influence


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
It's hard to teach my kids respect for THEM when they hear about this type of behavior from a cousin they really look up to.

Just thought I would share some examples and experience on why I don't always jump on the back the blue band wagon and prefere to keep THEM art arms length. And why many people distrust THEM.






The use of the word "THEM" 3 times in 3 sentences is why I interpreted this as grouping all officers together. Most of THEM do deserve respect...like anyone else.. No need to keep THEM at arms length. Most of THEM can be trusted.

Hope it all works out for your cuz.


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In this state of makes on the neighbors they can choose to let it rot.
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
It's hard to teach my kids respect for THEM when they hear about this type of behavior from a cousin they really look up to.

Just thought I would share some examples and experience on why I don't always jump on the back the blue band wagon and prefere to keep THEM art arms length. And why many people distrust THEM.






The use of the word "THEM" 3 times in 3 sentences is why I interpreted this as grouping all officers together. Most of THEM do deserve respect...like anyone else.. No need to keep THEM at arms length. Most of THEM can be trusted.

Hope it all works out for your cuz.

SW, I do respect you here. Your post though could be interpreted as your a retired GW who still protects GW's no matter what, thin green line lol. However you gave advice to the OP to tell his Cousin to record future encounters. That's solid advice and unfortunately in the times we're in, necessary and kudos for giving it. It sucks to have to record and spend money on a gopro.

I would be interested in hearing your thoughts on how DNR's seem to be going left.


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Originally Posted by danny clifton
When I was a kid the old saying "A man is only as good as his word" was something people really believed.

It was like that, not so much now. Now, you have to CYA even for law abiding folk.


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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It would be against the law to not follow up on a deer here in PA, it would be a wanton waste violation. Anybody know what the law is here in PA about crossing property lines to retrieve your kill?

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Originally Posted by Muskeg
A few rules of engagement for future consideration because IMO you ain’t getting nothing out of this encounter but more aggravation


Always film and record interactions with guberment officials

Be very careful what you say to them and better to not to say anything

Don’t invite them into a situation. Because there isn’t situation that they can’t make worse

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Originally Posted by lumberjack391
It would be against the law to not follow up on a deer here in PA, it would be a wanton waste violation. Anybody know what the law is here in PA about crossing property lines to retrieve your kill?


Pg. 17 of the Digest...

"unlawful for a hunter to refuse or neglect to make a reasonable effort to retrieve any killed or injured game or wildlife. Hunters attempting to recover wildlife are not permitted to enter private property without permission."

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Originally Posted by Wright Brothers
Sick the divorce lawyer on him, they like big bucks.

Yea,,her divorce lawyer,,not his.Hahahaaa


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Catch22,
Most folks can record good quality video with their cell phones.

I can only speak to Georgia DNR about left or right trending. Here the agency's LE is a separate division and there is no left leaning whatsoever by DNR LE officers. All I know are so conservative they could've spoke at the Republican National Convention.

The wildlife resources division of Ga DNR includes biologists and many of the younger & newer ones are so far left that they would make Biden look conservative.


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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Catch22,
Most folks can record good quality video with their cell phones.

I can only speak to Georgia DNR about left or right trending. Here the agency's LE is a separate division and there is no left leaning whatsoever by DNR LE officers. All I know are so conservative they could've spoke at the Republican National Convention.

The wildlife resources division of Ga DNR includes biologists and many of the younger & newer ones are so far left that they would make Biden look conservative.

I appreciate that.


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I know video evidence got me out of a situation when I showed up to court and showed the judge my interaction. I got the GW on video talking about he knew if he checked me enough he’d find something…4 days in a row. Won’t go into details but he called me at my house about 2 hours after checking me and told me to come back to where we were hunting because he found something and I was getting a ticket. I had already videoed day #2 and 3 and videoed day 4 and again when I went back to see what he found. Never got checked by him or any other GW again.

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I'm fairly amused at the number of people who deliberately paint targets on their backs; and then complain that they are targets...

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Originally Posted by white marlin
I'm fairly amused at the number of people who deliberately paint targets on their backs; and then complain that they are targets...

What lol???


I wonder if tap dancers walk into a room, look at the floor, and think, I'd tap that. I wonder about things.....
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Because they call the Leo as stated before don’t involve them and if they get involved shut up tell them you plea th 5 and ask for your attorney. The moment you open your lips they will use any thing against you and will lie in the process to get what they want . Treat them like some one you would trust for anything.

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Originally Posted by white marlin
I'm fairly amused at the number of people who deliberately paint targets on their backs; and then complain that they are targets...

Till its YOUR turn in the barrel.And don't think it cant happen no matter how honest and law abiding you are.


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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
I know video evidence got me out of a situation when I showed up to court and showed the judge my interaction. I got the GW on video talking about he knew if he checked me enough he’d find something…4 days in a row. Won’t go into details but he called me at my house about 2 hours after checking me and told me to come back to where we were hunting because he found something and I was getting a ticket. I had already videoed day #2 and 3 and videoed day 4 and again when I went back to see what he found. Never got checked by him or any other GW again.

GA DNR LE officers love having body cameras. It shows the true interactions with the public. I am familiar with several incidents where folks made a complaint on an officer but wanted it rescinded when they learned there was a video. So, it works both ways.


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Originally Posted by upstateNY
Originally Posted by white marlin
I'm fairly amused at the number of people who deliberately paint targets on their backs; and then complain that they are targets...

Till its YOUR turn in the barrel.And don't think it cant happen no matter how honest and law abiding you are.


I can appreciate what you're saying...and I DO think there is some truth there.

but there are a LOT of guys out there who "shade" things to get an edge, and aren't real shy about talking about their "prowess"....

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Plead the fifth then here in Wi you will hear, you are going to be cited for "obstruction of justice". There are good wardens but not so good also.

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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Bring all your buddies and kill as many as you legally can until there's nothing left for the neighbors grin



I have been thinking about that. But it's 2.5 hrs away from me. And these people don't have values. They will shoot from a road and claim deer they didn't kill. They don't care who killed it as long as they can claim the rack.

I never understood the obsession over antler. Not really any value in them to me. Sure thay are nice for a trophy to keep. But the hunt and being out is the trophy. I have let deer larger than I have ever killed walk and not bothered to attempt to shoot him at 40 yard when my daughter didn't feel comfortable enough to make the shot with the x bow. She asked me if I could make it and I told her yes. She tried to hand me the x bow and told me to shoot it. I declined. She asked why and I told her if I shoot it it won't be here tomorrow for you to get a chance at and I would rather her kill it. Folks get plumb silly over some bone growing out of a deers head.

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So why didn't your cousin ask the adjacent landowners permission to retrieve an animal before the season started? If he did and they said NO, then no is no. A CO isn't going to change that.

This is your cousins issue, why are you upset? There appears to be some history between the two individuals by your account. But, anything being said here is all here say. By admission ... no documented evidence. Sometimes it's better to something's go. Life is way to short, change the things you have the power to change and not worry or get upset about things you can't. This is one of those you can't change!

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He should have reported the game warden, the guy in the truck for poaching through the state hotline. He can also file an inspector general complaint with the state about this game warden. He can write his reps about the game warden. He can contact the DNR executive office and complain about this game warden. Goodluck man, how you guys get it fixed.

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I feel like I just watched a reality show in Spanish where I had to read the conversation. lol

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Originally Posted by HobbieTrapper
I feel like I just watched a reality show in Spanish where I had to read the conversation. lol

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I had a neighbor in upstate ny who was a dep.police. He was a the biggest poacher around.I can tell lots of stories but wont get into it here.Its very hard to go against a guy with a badge and a gun. Complaints were made about him and next thing you know any cars that visited my home or I did business with were getting pulled over and harassed by other officers. They probably didn't know anything about our relationship but listen ed to what this guy had to.say but it was a nightmare for years.

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I have never had an interaction with a police officer that left a bad taste in my mouth. Game wardens not so much.


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Sat on a jury on a wildlife case.

You'll have better luck bucking a murder rap than you will a wildlife one. The burden of proof for wildlife enforcement is pathetic... Basically if the warden says he saw it happen, it's gospel. And there are all manner of incentives for them to abuse the system.

And I'm not lumping all CO's/GW's together... The good ones would still be good even if they had the same burden of proof as other branches of LE. But it might help cut the crap that comes from the corrupt ones.

People shouldn't violate game laws... But we shouldn't just chuck our rights out the window to protect a deer or pheasant.

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One of my degrees is in Criminal Justice and I also attended a six-month law enforcement academy that culminated in a career as field Game Warden for thirty-one years and ten months. I'm surprised and amazed to learn that I didn't have to follow the same rules of evidence as other LEO's. I guess all that training was wrong and I shouldn't have let it hamstring me while wearing the badge. I guess I missed the boat on being corrupt and a poacher as well.
Being a Game Warden is unique in the law enforcement world. You are dealing with folks who are recreating and sometimes you are the kill joy. That can harbor resentment and venting on the web or in the coffee shop. Complaints are part of the job. Usually, it's a way to get back at the officer. In limited circumstances it's legit. Not everyone acts the way we would prefer at all times. If I held grudges against people that caused me grief by pulling me away from days off, family gatherings, a warm bed or my kid's sporting events, I would have had a heart attack already.
The drama on here is worthy of a soap opera award at times.

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I still Say it all starts with anatomy and accuracy...


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I still Say it all starts with anatomy and accuracy...



Yep , put them down on your own land and avoid all the unnecessary drama from jealous neighbors


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Originally Posted by AntiGov
Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
I still Say it all starts with anatomy and accuracy...



Yep , put them down on your own land and avoid all the unnecessary drama from jealous neighbors

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Originally Posted by 330-Trapper
I still Say it all starts with anatomy and accuracy...


And I say it's a stupid law that won't allow him to go retrieve his deer, in fact if it were in Iowa he is required, by law, to follow that blood trail until he finds and recovers the deer (or any other game or furbearing animals). You can not take your gun on private ground without permission, but you must make every attempt to retrieve it.

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Originally Posted by Iowa DNR Regulations

RETRIEVAL & WASTE OF GAME
While taking or attempting to take game or
furbearing animals, you cannot abandon the
injured animal without making a reasonable
effort to retrieve it from the field. You cannot
leave a usable portion of the game or furbearing animal in the field. “Usable portion” in this
instance means the following: 1) for game, that
part of an animal that is customarily processed
for consumption; and 2) for furbearing animals,
the fur or hide of the animal.


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I believe the law in Georgia is you have to obtain landowner permission. Hence the reason it’s always good to know your neighbors and learn how to drop a deer. Heart and lungs ain’t always the best way to go.

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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: AntiGov] #7724580
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Originally Posted by AntiGov
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I still Say it all starts with anatomy and accuracy...



Yep , put them down on your own land and avoid all the unnecessary drama from jealous neighbors

Sounds great, but not every shot is perfect, and I'm sure we've all seen fatally hit deer run a hundred yards.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7724586
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Fatally hit deer yes. High shoulder or neck, no. No one is doubting the shot, but if he doesn’t have 100-150yds of distance between his property and the line then you aim to drop. Especially after dealing with LEO’s the first time.

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7724589
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interesting that Iowa grants anyone the right to enter other folks' private property

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Wanna Be] #7724596
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Originally Posted by Wanna Be
Fatally hit deer yes. High shoulder or neck, no. No one is doubting the shot, but if he doesn’t have 100-150yds of distance between his property and the line then you aim to drop. Especially after dealing with LEO’s the first time.

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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: white marlin] #7724598
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Originally Posted by white marlin
interesting that Iowa grants anyone the right to enter other folks' private property

It doesn't. To retrieve game only. Unarmed. I think the intention is to be able to cross the fence, grab your animal and get out.

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I think it should be settled country style.


Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7726139
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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7726148
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My dealings with game wardens has been positive except one incident in CO. But these kinds of tales are getting more common.


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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7728722
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Catch22,
Most folks can record good quality video with their cell phones.

I can only speak to Georgia DNR about left or right trending. Here the agency's LE is a separate division and there is no left leaning whatsoever by DNR LE officers. All I know are so conservative they could've spoke at the Republican National Convention.

The wildlife resources division of Ga DNR includes biologists and many of the younger & newer ones are so far left that they would make Biden look conservative.



I thjnk a lot of people would be shocked at the political views of the average game warden. At least in Georgia. Leans right is an understatement. Probably more libertarian than one would expect a LE officer to be.


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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7728724
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And for what it’s worth before i became a cop then a game warden I had a lot of interactions with them in different circumstances.
Oddly enough, one bad interaction with a local cop and a somewhat bad interaction with a game warden actually helped lead me into law enforcement.

That said, I have chewed a few folks rear end out myself but they needed it. It solved the problem too

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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: JBR] #7728949
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So we now have laws created by politically biased politicians and being enforced by politically leaning or biased LEOs and COs? Objectivity does not stand a chance in a game like that.
We now have public servants that don't enforce the law or what is right but what "they" believe" to be right.

Bryce

Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7728959
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A solar farm has leases this property for 99 years so this is his last year to hunt it. He took his 7 year old out and and he shot a nice 4 point that was very close to being 8" spikes. He was estadicly happy. Dropped him on the spot with a 8.5" 300 blackout. The same day my cousin shot a 12 point. A nice buck but not something he would have normally shot. It takes in the 160s to get him to pull the trigger normally.

He shot that one at the base of the head at 330 yards. Was going to be sure it didn't make it to the property line.

Turned our to be a good season considering he has only hunted 3 times since he is currently out if his house with the divorce drama.

Sadly there is the jealous Scum of a warden still working the district. To bad the good ones dont him off but look the other way.

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One of my absolute best friends is a retired game warden. I have learned a lot from him. Here are some things he has told me.

1. Game wardens can legally lie to you. That's right, LIE. But you cannot legally.
2. Game wardens will ask you the same question over and over and over. Answer the question once. That is all that is required.
3. Ask the officer what you can help him/her with. If he/she does not give you any answer, tell him you are busy or have an obligation you have to get to and you are leaving. And Have a nice day.

Conversations with GW/LE officers never end well when they are fishing for information and trying to get you to voluntarily give info. They will twist and wring the information out of you and use it against you in the conversation. Short answers with no detail are the order. If you give detail they will pull the "well you just said....." response. Show them the necessary paperwork on request but talk as absolute little as possible, no matter the question. If you have already answered that question, remind the officer that you have already answered that question and expound no more on that subject, period.

My last two interactions with game wardens in NC have been less than stellar. When I see them coming, I paint LIAR in red lipstick on their forehead.

Their are a lot of good game wardens out there. Most all are good. Just remember they are doing their job as they have been trained. They are trained it is ok to lie. Sad but true. Answer all questions once and once only. Be legal in all you do and end the interrogation as soon as possible. Video record the interaction with your phone. That is legal and they can say or do nothing about it.

Again, no lengthy conversation goes well with GW/LE. Silence is the word. And NEVER let them speak to your children, EVER. And tell your kids to keep their mouths shut no matter what.

All this said, I had a FANTASTIC interaction with a game warden in WY in October of last year. A fine man who was actually from NC. No hassle and actually helped us quite bit.


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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7729034
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Agree with what bowhunter said.


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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: bblwi] #7729076
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Originally Posted by bblwi
So we now have laws created by politically biased politicians and being enforced by politically leaning or biased LEOs and COs? Objectivity does not stand a chance in a game like that.
We now have public servants that don't enforce the law or what is right but what "they" believe" to be right.

Bryce

Yeah...back in my GW days I objectively tried to convince every citizen to vote red....lol


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Re: Dealing with crupt Conservation Officer [Re: Providence Farm] #7729218
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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
A solar farm has leases this property for 99 years so this is his last year to hunt it. He took his 7 year old out and and he shot a nice 4 point that was very close to being 8" spikes. He was estadicly happy. Dropped him on the spot with a 8.5" 300 blackout. The same day my cousin shot a 12 point. A nice buck but not something he would have normally shot. It takes in the 160s to get him to pull the trigger normally.

He shot that one at the base of the head at 330 yards. Was going to be sure it didn't make it to the property line.

Turned our to be a good season considering he has only hunted 3 times since he is currently out if his house with the divorce drama.

Sadly there is the jealous Scum of a warden still working the district. To bad the good ones dont him off but look the other way.



From somebody who likes solar, please let the property owner know that he is a moron for me. Better luck next time with the deer.

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Luckily we seem to have good wardens in Wisconsin. They move around a lot though so it makes it hard to get to know them

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