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Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724135
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Oysterman It is coming from the CDC. Are they anti vaccine?


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Re: Coming out finally [Re: Oysterman] #7724136
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Originally Posted by Oysterman
Had my 3rd booster. So did my wife. My aunt is a nurse manager in a hospital. Covered a beautiful, custom made sign for my uncles farm with a Trump 2020 sign. The best way to sell a lie is to mix a little truth in it. Nobody was hospitalized due to vaccine reactions, ever, in her hospital which serves a city. Ever. Mostly people who didn't get vaccinated. Don't believe the anti vaccine lies.


So the CDC hides 18+ million adverse reactions, tells everyone it is safe and effective, is being forced by a court to release the adverse information and you say not to believe the anti vaccine lies?

Do you hear yourself? Did you stick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes to avoid being told something other than what you want to believe?

If anyone hasn't heard of an adverse reaction from this experimental jab, you are living in a very tight circle and communicate with next to no one.


ďA long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy." - Charles Manson
Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724138
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Originally Posted by MJM
Oysterman It is coming from the CDC. Are they anti vaccine?


Don't point out the obvious, FOOL!! You will be called a right wing extremist kook liar conspiracy theorist!!!

LOL!!


ďA long time ago being crazy meant something. Nowadays everybody's crazy." - Charles Manson
Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724140
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Lets face it, whatever commercial ya watch for any type of medication, reading the list of side effects takes longer than the rest of it for almost anything. From acid reflux stuff to cold medicine, you name it. The bat flu shot does not seem to fall in that category. The reason being, that it was thrown on the market without any for of long term testing, so they just don't know what the rat tail on it looks like and they have been given a preemptive pardon by the gubbermint. So they can't be held responsible for any detrimental effect it will have.And on top of that the powers that be are trying their best to force it into everyones arms. The fact that death cause by the experimental drugs side effects are on the rise.It makes not difference as, no one can be held accountable.
To anyone that thinks that the government has their best interest at heart, I have a little used bridge for cheap.


Let's go Brandon

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Re: Coming out finally [Re: Scuba1] #7724147
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Originally Posted by Scuba1
To anyone that thinks that the government has their best interest at heart, I have a little used bridge for cheap.


I live in a state where a decent portion of the population have ancestors who were forced to walk here at gunpoint due to the government (and a Democrat president) watching out for their "best interests."

I know, I know... Ancient history. But not exactly an isolated incident. There are plenty of examples that would certainly meet the "long train of abuses" criteria.

Yet people still lap up whatever manure the government feeds them.

Mike


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Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724149
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Pretty sure I watched a video where the WHO came out blaming Pfizer and Moderna about false hopes of the vaccine. They stated that the vaccines DO NOT prevent the virus nor does it prevent the spread of the virus. Their question was, so what does the vaccine actually do and what are the long term effects?

I can tell you the only reason Iím concerned is my wife got it and one of my children. Luckily they only got the first dose.

Re: Coming out finally [Re: Oysterman] #7724151
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Originally Posted by Oysterman
Had my 3rd booster. So did my wife. My aunt is a nurse manager in a hospital. Covered a beautiful, custom made sign for my uncles farm with a Trump 2020 sign. The best way to sell a lie is to mix a little truth in it. Nobody was hospitalized due to vaccine reactions, ever, in her hospital which serves a city. Ever. Mostly people who didn't get vaccinated. Don't believe the anti vaccine lies.

Rrriiiggghhtttt.

Re: Coming out finally [Re: Oysterman] #7724152
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Originally Posted by Oysterman
Had my 3rd booster. So did my wife. My aunt is a nurse manager in a hospital. Covered a beautiful, custom made sign for my uncles farm with a Trump 2020 sign. The best way to sell a lie is to mix a little truth in it. Nobody was hospitalized due to vaccine reactions, ever, in her hospital which serves a city. Ever. Mostly people who didn't get vaccinated. Don't believe the anti vaccine lies.

Donít take this wrong, but your Aunt is paid to keep her mouth shut. I know Doctors that will tell you straight up that there ARE hospitalized vaccine recipients. And they are seeing more issues with older folks, but there are younger folks with issues as well. So far they (at their hospital) havenít seen any youth yet. But then again, most folks down here wasnít about to give their kids the jab even though they might have gotten it.

Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724154
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One of the developers of the Pfizer vaccine stated on NewsMax that no children under 12 should be given the vaccine because they didn't know what the long term effect would be for them. No research has been done to establish that. If they should contract covid, it would be no different that a mild case of the flu.


If searching old grandmas at our airports is so important, shouldn't it be this important at our borders too?
Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724156
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by ~ADC~
I was leary to open this post with that title. I'm glad to see it had nothing to do with your closet MJM.

But you had to open it. I have nothing in the closet that resembles that. What I don't understand is people are still running down for boosters. I felt something was messed up from the start. No jab for me or my family. With a death rate of .07, why was everyone rushing down to get jabbed. Because the Government said too.


The CDC withholding information on the safety of this vaccine, while encouraging/recommending it, is criminal. However, withholding that information while the Federal Government, and many compliciant private companies, were mandating vaccination to remain employed is well beyond criminal. Those making the decision to withhold that infomation need to be fired first, and then prosecuted.

Re: Coming out finally [Re: Trapper7] #7724162
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
One of the developers of the Pfizer vaccine stated on NewsMax that no children under 12 should be given the vaccine because they didn't know what the long term effect would be for them. No research has been done to establish that. If they should contract covid, it would be no different that a mild case of the flu.

You are correct. My 8yr old and my 1yr old granddaughter both had the virus and theyíve had worse colds. My son was mad because he couldnít go to school or play with his friends. The school requires a negative test, so on day we went to the Health Dept and they cleared him. Neither of them had anything more than mild cold symptoms.

Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724178
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Originally Posted by MJM
More than 18 million people were injured so badly by their first COVID shot from Pfizer or Moderna that they had to go to the hospital. Thatís according to the CDCís own internal data, which a court just ordered the federal agency to release to a watchdog group.

Instead of alerting the public to the incredible dangers of these shots and completely shutting down Joe Bidenís mass vaccination mandates, the CDC covered up the info until it was forced to release. Everyone in a position of authority at the CDC should be fired for this. What good is a ďpublic healthĒ agency if it fails to alert the public that 8% of vaccine recipients are being hospitalized?

The CDC started a vaccine monitoring program back at the very beginning of the COVID shot rollout in December of 2020. You might remember it. The program was called V-safe. People were asked to install the V-safe app on their smartphones and then self-report if they have any negative effects from the experimental mRNA shots, which were released to the public under an Emergency Use Authorization from the FDA.

A lot of people were eager to help, because world governments had scared many folks very badly over the virus. Many thought that the COVID shots were a medical miracle in late 2020. So, more than 10 million people downloaded V-safe on their smartphones, and then proceeded to get vaccinated.

Thatís a huge sample size for a medical study. With 10 million people participating in the V-safe self-reporting system, it gives us an extremely accurate statistical model to use when studying the 230 million Americans who have had at least one COVID shot.

The CDC tracked data in the V-safe program for the first 18 months of the vaccineís public availability, up through July of this year. But then, strangely, the CDC never published any data from V-safe. We couldnít see it. We just had to trust the CDC, which had been caught lying repeatedly.

The CDCís main webpage about the mRNA COVID shots still says, to this very day, ďCOVID-19 vaccines are safe, effective and free.Ē Thatís the very first sentence on the website. Safe and effective! Thatís been the CDCís position for the entire time. The vaccines are safe, and they cannot hurt you.

If thatís true, then why wouldnít the CDC release the data until a court ordered it to do so following a lawsuit by the Informed Consent Action Network (ICAN)? The data speaks for itself.



I really hope people aren't making medical decisions based on this article. (which is pure garbage and put out by a Texas based group founded by an anti-vaccination activist) It would be equivalent to taking trapping advice from John Reynolds.

Re: Coming out finally [Re: J Staton] #7724184
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Originally Posted by J Staton
I've noticed that spikes in blood pressure seem to be a common occurrence of the "vaccine".
Waggler sure hate to hear that about your son.


Thanks, however Kannon was not my son, he was the son of a long time friend. He crewed for me since he was 17.
Still a great loss though. Thanks again.


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Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724190
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BTW, I am not an antivaxer. If you are obese, elderly, heavy smoker, etc., then by all means get vaccinated. If you are in good health, or young don't get vaccinated.

They used to say that the young and/or healthy should get vaccinated so they don't get covid and then give to a health compromised person. However, we now know conclusively that the vaccine will not keep you from getting covid, it just might reduce the bad effects of covid.

I personally know of four people who have died with covid, all within the last 18 months, all were in their late 60's and 70's, all but one had health issues, and all of them fully vaccinated and boosted. I know these are just antidotal numbers. It should be a personal choice.

Thankfully we now are starting to see some objective studies starting to trickle out; politics should have never gotten involved with medicine in the first place. There are life saving miracles performed by modern medicine. I'm afraid this covid experience may have driven a lot of people away from all the positive things offered by the medical field.


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Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724198
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"Anti-vaxxer." I love that.

Everyone who didn't die of smallpox would probably agree that vaccines are good. But then again, the smallpox vaccine actually did what it was supposed to.

If someone got the smallpox vaccine and came down with a "mild case" of smallpox and also infected someone else who had been vaccinated, I might just question the efficacy.

Perhaps the better description is "anti crock of crap."

Mike


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Do you know what a vaxer and anti vaxer have in common? Neither one will ever be fully vaccinated

Re: Coming out finally [Re: bigdog] #7724235
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Originally Posted by bigdog
I really hope people aren't making medical decisions based on this article. (which is pure garbage and put out by a Texas based group founded by an anti-vaccination activist) It would be equivalent to taking trapping advice from John Reynolds.

Should it mater who points out a CDC study? Do you think it is surprising a pro jab group did not point it out? I am not anti vaccination, but I am anti China flu jab.


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Re: Coming out finally [Re: MJM] #7724244
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Originally Posted by MJM
Originally Posted by bigdog
I really hope people aren't making medical decisions based on this article. (which is pure garbage and put out by a Texas based group founded by an anti-vaccination activist) It would be equivalent to taking trapping advice from John Reynolds.

Should it mater who points out a CDC study? Do you think it is surprising a pro jab group did not point it out? I am not anti vaccination, but I am anti China flu jab.


It 100% should matter if they are twisting facts and numbers to fit their narrative. Reading comprehension is important.

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No jab for me. Thank you for the nice thread.


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