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Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7963568
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
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There is a form of insurance called Errors and Omissions. Not sure if this protects prosecutors.

Fraud is still a crime.

Who did Trump commit fraud on?

Can't wait to hear this one.

Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7963590
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by charles
There is a form of insurance called Errors and Omissions. Not sure if this protects prosecutors.

Fraud is still a crime.

Who did Trump commit fraud on?

I'm still waiting for your answer Blaine County...or James, or Charles...or whomever...

Please expound on who is actually the victim of this latest Trump "crime."


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Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: ol' dad] #7963633
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And while you are at it, please provide a list of names of those in NY that have been prosecuted for same thing. Millions of mortgages taken out daily. Thousands if not tens of thousands go into default each day likely resulting in actual losses to lenders No doubt somebody else stretched the truth. If this is a big deal, there must be a lot just like him in the same boat. So name one.

Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: ol' dad] #7963700
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Swamp Wolf, I thought I answered that question, but I'll try again. The victims were other taxpayers who had to shoulder Trump's tax obligations and lenders and other corporate shareholders who relied on Trump's fraudulent statements.

If you file knowingly false, fraudulent statements with the government, you are looking at possible prison time. Every day the IRS sends people to prison. My former dentist served three months and paid a big fine for filing a fraudulent tax return. There's no reason to think Trump was singled out for prosecutions.

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Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: James] #7963704
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Originally Posted by James
Swamp Wolf, I thought I answered that question, but I'll try again. The victims were other taxpayers who had to shoulder Trump's tax obligations and lenders and other corporate shareholders who relied on Trump's fraudulent statements.

If you file knowingly false, fraudulent statements with the government, you are looking at possible prison time. Every day the IRS sends people to prison. My former dentist served three months and paid a big fine for filing a fraudulent tax return. There's no reason to think Trump was singled out for prosecutions.

Jim



Really? The attorney general campaigned on getting Trump any which way she can.

Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: ol' dad] #7963722
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That doesn't bear on the issue of guilt. But Trump's lawyers probably raised that issue, before the judge found Trump guilty of fraud.

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Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: James] #7963742
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Originally Posted by James
That doesn't bear on the issue of guilt. But Trump's lawyers probably raised that issue, before the judge found Trump guilty of fraud.

Jim


No it doesn't , but if Trump wasn't running, I don't believe this case would have ever materialized.
As far as the judge is concerned, after his smug smile for the cameras, in my opinion, I would relish a swift slap across the face!

Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: Trapper7] #7963751
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
The problem with Trump is he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut and let his attorneys do the talking for him.

If he were to ever change, and discontinue speaking his mind and tell it like it is, no matter how cringe-worthy it may be, I wouldn't ever vote for him again. THAT is his appeal. That is why he won in 2016 and 2020, and why he will win in 2024.
It is called candor. Candor is what has been missing in the world of politics for 40 years.

Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: ol' dad] #7963785
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So, Trump reportedly "overvalued" his company, properties, etc for tax fraud purposes?

If I possess property that is overvalued then I pay MORE taxes on that property...yes?

He didn't commit fraud on any taxpayer....

Now..I could understand this BS better if he had a hand in UNDERVALUE of his properties...but not overvalued.

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Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: 52Carl] #7963789
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Originally Posted by 52Carl
Originally Posted by Trapper7
The problem with Trump is he needs to learn to keep his mouth shut and let his attorneys do the talking for him.

If he were to ever change, and discontinue speaking his mind and tell it like it is, no matter how cringe-worthy it may be, I wouldn't ever vote for him again. THAT is his appeal. That is why he won in 2016 and 2020, and why he will win in 2024.
It is called candor. Candor is what has been missing in the world of politics for 40 years.

You have a point, but there is a limit. He could do himself some good if he reined himself in sometimes.

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It is called candor. Candor is what has been missing in the world of politics for 40 years.[/quote]

You have a point, but there is a limit. He could do himself some good if he reined himself in sometimes. [/quote]

Iíve got a minor feud going with Trapdog1 on another post, but couldnít agree more on this one. Thatís what makes these forums great - expanding the mind and seeing other points of view.
We are 99% on the same page, but need to pull together for the WIN!


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Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: ol' dad] #7963800
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Save your breath SW...., Go shoot/ catch something. wink


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Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Save your breath SW...., Go shoot/ catch something. wink


Yeah...difficult for me to just walk away from these lefties.....

I like to see how what little brain they have actually works.

I guess I'm trolling them....lol


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Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: Swamp Wolf] #7963810
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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
Originally Posted by bucksnbears
Save your breath SW...., Go shoot/ catch something. wink


Yeah...difficult for me to just walk away from these lefties.....

I like to see how what little brain they have actually works.

I guess I'm trolling them....lol


You need a case of TDS with a dose of liberalism mixed in to understand I figure.

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Originally Posted by Swamp Wolf
So, Trump reportedly "overvalued" his company, properties, etc for tax fraud purposes?

If I possess property that is overvalued then I pay MORE taxes on that property...yes?

He didn't commit fraud on any taxpayer....

Now..I could understand this BS better if he had a hand in UNDERVALUE of his properties...but not overvalued.



Trying to be subjective here and I could be wrong but from what I see/read here is how it goes. As I understand it he overvalued his assets that he used as collateral to obtain more favorable interest rates on loans. When it came to property taxes he undervalued them. For example, they based the value of Mar-A-Lago at $27,000,000 for property taxes but said the value was $490,000,000 when used as collateral to borrow against. Based on the value of $27,000,000 they paid $299,700 in taxes, if they had paid tax based on what they said the value was, $490,000,000, their tax would have been $5,439,000. Again, trying to be subjective and I could be wrong but this is what I have seen and supposedly was submitted to banks.

Feel free to correct me if I screwed something up somewhere.

Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: ol' dad] #7963854
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I don't know of anybody who gets to assess their own tax valuation. The government does that, and it is always lower than an actual appraisal.

Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: BandB] #7963855
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Originally Posted by BandB
I don't know of anybody who gets to assess their own tax valuation. The government does that, and it is always lower than an actual appraisal.

I almost typed that.

Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: ol' dad] #7963857
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It's called appraisal fraud and it's a federal crime. Somewhere along the line a little money changes hands to get it done.

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So, who was the appraiser he paid off? Why haven't they been charged? Or at leat named.

Re: Are there any lawyers on here? [Re: rex123] #7963862
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Originally Posted by rex123
It's called appraisal fraud and it's a federal crime. Somewhere along the line a little money changes hands to get it done.


Nah, banks want to make money.

When I wanted a loan to start a business, the bank themselves upped the assessed value of my house to give me the loan.

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