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Re: He is a climate denier [Re: bblwi] #7996745
11/17/23 02:32 PM
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Originally Posted by bblwi
The climate as many properly state is changing as it always has. The issue I have is this has become such a political issue no realistic and sensible discussion can or will take place. Whether we humans are the major cause is not the issue to me. The issue to me is with 8 plus billion humans we have trillions of dollars of infrastructure worldwide at potential or real great risk and the cost of dealing with that will be huge. Many state that what is the big deal about raising water level in the ocean say 1 foot over ex years? The reality of this that every stream and river winds up in the ocean and those streams far inland will be raised as well. In some places that can be very costly.
Currently we search to find the holes or bias in the research on either side instead of conducting research that may be very helpful long term.
Bryce

To many people believe what they are told and don't do any research. How do you know water levels will rise? Did you do the research or listen to the news. Just sayin.

Re: He is a climate denier [Re: charles] #7996749
11/17/23 02:35 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
It is human nature for us to resist change. Climate change requires us to abandon our old beliefs. Lots of us just say “you can’t tell me what to do” rather than accept a new approach to a problem.

I believe our earth has always experienced climate cycles, and I accept that industrialization is contributing to the current one. Earth has gone through several periods of near extinction as a result of asteroid collisions or volcanic activity. Until now, mankind was unable to contribute to causes that harm our planet.

Not attacking anyone’s beliefs, just sharing what I accept as factual science.

Just because you believe it doesn't make it fact. What evidence do you have. Care to share your scientific studies that you did?

Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Dirt] #7996751
11/17/23 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
According to some sources the average sea level has risen 6.5 inches since 1950. We have been adapting. It is not the end of the world.

HA HA HA!!! Yetmy home in Florida is still high and dry!!!


God please keep they 19 fallen UBB miners out of trouble up there.
Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7996752
11/17/23 02:38 PM
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Thirty years ago, scientists and engineers launched a new satellite to study the rising and falling of seas over time, a task that once could only be done from the coast. TOPEX/Poseidon rocketed into space on August 10, 1992, and started a 30-year record of ocean surface height around the world. The observations have confirmed on a global scale what scientists previously saw from the shoreline: the seas are rising, and the pace is quickening.

Scientists have found that global mean sea level—shown in the line plot above and below—has risen 10.1 centimeters (3.98 inches) since 1993. Over the past 140 years, satellites and tide gauges together show that global sea level has risen 21 to 24 centimeters (8 to 9 inches). That's like covering the contiguous U.S. in about 16 feet (about 5 meters) of water. Recent rates have been unprecedented over the past 2,500-plus years.

Source: NASA not the news.


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Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7996753
11/17/23 02:43 PM
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What do you expect from Liars like Al Gore. Remember that Florida would be underwater by 2020. I also remember back in the 80's when these same so called experts claimed that the Great lakes would be frozen within 10 years. BOTH examples are how they gobbled up BILLIONS on nothing but LIES ANS BS!!! Drop in a Coal mine and you will see the layers caused by the constant changing climate. Coal is just one of them


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Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7996757
11/17/23 02:51 PM
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I wonder what the benchmark was in the NASA study?
Could the land be sinking (tectonics) instead of the sea level rising?

Re: He is a climate denier [Re: WI Outdoors] #7996759
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When I lived on the NC Outer Banks, the elevation of my lot was 2.8 feet. I could observe sea level rise, trust me.

Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7996780
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Move to higher ground while there's time.

Re: He is a climate denier [Re: charles] #7996783
11/17/23 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
When I lived on the NC Outer Banks, the elevation of my lot was 2.8 feet. I could observe sea level rise, trust me.


But can you prove it wouldn't have happened naturally?


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7996785
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The democraps definitely believe anything they are told by the guberment. It amazes me the people that still wear masks wether they are walking down the road or riding in their cars. Guess what color they all are.

Re: He is a climate denier [Re: charles] #7996833
11/17/23 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by charles
When I lived on the NC Outer Banks, the elevation of my lot was 2.8 feet. I could observe sea level rise, trust me.


That happens on ocean fronts all the time.
Sand islands will appear and disappear with the wind.
Same with rivers , the banks fall in all the time.
Look at the Grand Canyon , took millions of years to form that.
Remember the oceans are fed by rivers on land.
There's times the rivers are bigger than normal , and times when they're smaller than normal.
Change is going to happen , and raising taxes or the cost of living isn't going to change anything.
Except make politicians pockets fuller.


We have met the enemy and the enemy is us!
Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7996856
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The world is going to do what it wants to do.
Ice caps they say are getting smaller, could be , I don't go there to find out.
Then they say the south pole is getting smaller , and next it's getting colder?
There were many times this planet was many times hotter than now.
There were times it was many times colder than now.
Man was alive during the last ice age , and the mini ice age was in when 1400?
The winters here in the 50's and 60's even the 70's were cold, at least more snow than today.
The earth is turning on it's axis a few feet every year.
It's tilting more toward the east every year.
So it's going to change the climate in every corner of this planet.
Remember there were many millions of animals roaming this earth before man killed them off.
There were more volcanos erupting all over the world long before man.
There's still I think I saw where there's like around 80 active ones every day world wide.

Show me the money , and I'll show you where climate change is making some politicians rich.


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Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7996864
11/17/23 05:44 PM
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Wasn’t there a story about a crow dropping rocks into a vase to raise the water to a height he could drink it?

Clearly the size and number of ships on the oceans and rivers have doubled from years past. Where did all that displaced water go?

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Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7996903
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How much have they moved Plymouth Rock up hill? Some people believe every thing they are told.


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Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7996979
11/17/23 08:32 PM
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when the "fix" for any given problem ONLY involves the USA giving up her competitive advantage (i.e.: INDIVIDUAL FREEDOMS!); I get a more than a little suspicious.

Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7997123
11/17/23 10:11 PM
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Yep we are an objective bunch us trappers .I think the moon is moldy green cheese .


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Re: He is a climate denier [Re: charles] #7997433
11/18/23 08:44 AM
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Originally Posted by charles
When I lived on the NC Outer Banks, the elevation of my lot was 2.8 feet. I could observe sea level rise, trust me.


I'll bet that property is still there, yes?

Re: He is a climate denier [Re: bblwi] #7997479
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Originally Posted by bblwi
The climate as many properly state is changing as it always has. The issue I have is this has become such a political issue no realistic and sensible discussion can or will take place. Whether we humans are the major cause is not the issue to me. The issue to me is with 8 plus billion humans we have trillions of dollars of infrastructure worldwide at potential or real great risk and the cost of dealing with that will be huge. Many state that what is the big deal about raising water level in the ocean say 1 foot over ex years? The reality of this that every stream and river winds up in the ocean and those streams far inland will be raised as well. In some places that can be very costly.
Currently we search to find the holes or bias in the research on either side instead of conducting research that may be very helpful long term.
Bryce


Bryce,
Agreed.
No realistic and sensible discussion can take place as long as the climate change advocates continue to silence open honest discussion by labeling folks who don't accept the agenda as climate deniers.
Scientists/ecologists know (or should know) that any long term change in temperature across an ecosystem will effect some plants/animals negatively while others will benefit.
If anyone thinks this whole thing is not agenda driven, please explain why there are countless studies, papers, and dire predictions of the ecological disasters of a few degrees of mean temperature fluctuation (That "existential threat" Joe is always mumbling about) with no mention or discussion about any of the potential benefits associated with a modestly warmer climate.

Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7998920
11/19/23 10:49 PM
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walleye that is a good point !I could do with some rain and frost free days .


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Re: He is a climate denier [Re: Ohio Wolverine] #7998952
11/19/23 11:32 PM
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I think most of the benefits will be where most of the people don't currently live. Probably why they focus on all the bad things that might happen, especially Europe and coastal cities.


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