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Any hope for Keystone ? #8258510
11/10/24 09:32 AM
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Is there any hope for the revival of the Keystone pipeline or would it make more sense to frack our own shale. Illinois had a good start on shale oil in Southern Illinois until Chicago wanted a 12% cut, that and the political circus threw cold water on that project shutting it down for a while al least. Any insight?

Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258517
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I think investors backed out and companies looked at other options. The new gov might be a new hope for it if all moving parts has it in their best interest .
Lines were upgraded and other routes have been built to get the same results with it. I don't ever see it happening or wanting it now.


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258518
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I think TC energy got burned too bad the last time it got cancelled. I don't expect a retry with only a 4 year window. I could be wrong. The purpose was to bring heavy crude to Texas refineries from Canada. Most fracked Oil is light crude and much of it is exported.


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258530
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They spent 1 billion dollars on state permits alone - That ship has sailed!


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258535
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1 million seconds ago was approximately 11 days ago - 1 Billion seconds ago was 1993 - 1 Trillion seconds ago was 4000 BC - We throw around the three like their somewhat comparable, but they are not!


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258557
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As Virgil might say "Tempus fugit".

Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: 2ndjoborfun] #8258592
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Originally Posted by 2ndjoborfun
That ship has sailed!



EU stated they're ready to buy our LNG though

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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258596
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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: DaveP] #8258726
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Originally Posted by DaveP
Originally Posted by 2ndjoborfun
That ship has sailed!



EU stated they're ready to buy our LNG though


They have been buying it since somebody blew up Nordstream 1 . What choice do they have? Unless they want to frack their own gas?


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Dirt] #8258743
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Originally Posted by Dirt
Originally Posted by DaveP



EU stated they're ready to buy our LNG though


They have been buying it since somebody blew up Nordstream 1 . What choice do they have? Unless they want to frack their own gas?



But current admin, once again, attempted to hobble US energy AND our EU allies.

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Originally Posted by 2ndjoborfun
They spent 1 billion dollars on state permits alone - That ship has sailed!


It could go either way I'm thinking.

With that much already invested it'd be hard for them to walk away. Hard to cut your losses when they're that big.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258813
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You know who owned Nordstream 1 and 2? Our EU allies and Russia.


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258855
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You never know they have 4 years Jan 20th.

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Even though it was a great idea and would have moved oil to refineries quicker and cheaper it come with some negative factors.

One thing produces in US didn't want to mix their high dollar oil with Canada's very poor oil grade oil. The price of US oil would have been drastically cut in the quality grade of their oil (US) and would drastically cut the price of the high dollar oil in US.


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258897
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After the trans mountain line was put in service keystone XL has lost relevance

But who knows


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258904
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Start up and shut down twice has some investors ...
the election promises of Trump's 10% duty on import oil is going to really hurt......
anyone driving a diesel is going to get it bad, since 70% is imported into the USA.....expect a 30% increase in price when that rolls out

Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: 2ndjoborfun] #8258920
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Originally Posted by 2ndjoborfun
1 million seconds ago was approximately 11 days ago - 1 Billion seconds ago was 1993 - 1 Trillion seconds ago was 4000 BC - We throw around the three like their somewhat comparable, but they are not!

Ain't it the truth! We're in debt 35 trillion and ppl don't know how much a trillion is.


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Gary Benson] #8258922
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Originally Posted by Gary Benson
Originally Posted by 2ndjoborfun
1 million seconds ago was approximately 11 days ago - 1 Billion seconds ago was 1993 - 1 Trillion seconds ago was 4000 BC - We throw around the three like their somewhat comparable, but they are not!

Ain't it the truth! We're in debt 35 trillion and ppl don't know how much a trillion is.

Fake money anyway. Keep on keepin on.

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That's true. Just write it down. IOU


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Re: Any hope for Keystone ? [Re: Foxpaw] #8258939
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Don't worry bit coin hit all time high and the U.S. is mining it. The EPA needs to shut that mining down. Just think how much electricity it takes to run all those computers and all those American made electric cars coming too. That will take a lot of oil, gas, coal or maybe wood, lol. The only real mining will be to get the ingredients for all those car batteries!

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