I get visiting , and if they would visit and go home , that would be fine.
they come here and make a nuisance of their ignorance and demand we change the way we do just about everything.

they have this weird bravado machoism that they have to prove something.

they are here to get away from Chicago but want to like Cali folks drag their broken thinking with them.

maybe people who visit AK do that also , I have never been there but I don't think I would tell you how to live if I am there to visit.

The old term was "Flatlander" Apparently, this was too kind. I have often wondered what the FIBS call their Wisconsin friends? I have never really heard any good ones?

I am sure their names for us are derogatory without a doubt. They have the superior attitude that was mentioned earlier and think we are just dumb hicks here to serve them. They throw their money around, strut their stuff and pull their oversized boats for all to see. Just like Cali they have ruined the north building their huge "cottages" and bringing the same poo up here that they claim to want to get away from.

My grandpappy used to own the Red banks resort and most of the property I saw castles built on15 years ago. She ain't what she used to be.

cheese heads , like that is some sort of an insult

or

they will say north of the cheddar curtain to infer that we are not enlightened like them but they come here specifically to do what they can not do in the ILL state.

What I've found over the years is that downstate Illinois is a nice place. Lived there and still have good friends in central and southern Illinois. But overall its real hard to say the same about the metro Chicago area. You'll find some good people from within the city but they seem few and far between. It was much more tolerable when they just came to the "cottage" for the summer but it has become much more divisive with them moving here and bringing their Chicago politics along

when you get a 30 inch fish on it can make runs , there are rainbow , brown and lake trout , as well as King salmon , bass , northern all capable of making more than a 30 foot run durring the fight

especially if you are running tip ups aka fish traps basically , they are allowed to run with the line which releases a flag so you know you have a fish on then you run over to it and start the fight

30 feet or not it is the not being decent about how you respond to an ask.

If I ever go how far is far enough? Serious question.

Do you use a portable sonar to pick your spots or just go where you have done well in the past?

not to pick on everyone stuck in IL
there are 102 counties in IL an it is maybe 15 that are the issue and they are mostly in the NE corner touching or next to a county that touches Cook county.
Cook has about 5.5 million people
and the NE corner has about 10.5 million of the 12.5 million people in the state

forgotten about IL is a nice place with bad laws set by the cook county area sprawl and there in lies much of the issue.

If not for the gun laws I would live in southern IL. I love the country. I saw some news where indiana is talking about trying to take over some of IL. it won't happen but would be nice if it did.

Some people don't care if your close enough to pass a beer and some get mad if your 100' away. If there's a bunch of people or houses together you can join the fray, if someone is out by themselves probably just leave them alone.

As far as finding fish, usually not a problem for me, no matter where I go I don't find fish.

1. There's no such thing as " etiquette" when it comes to using a public resource. The people that were there first should have minded their own business or gone to a new spot
2. The second people shouldn't have set up that close
3. The second people need to know when to not be aggressive.

Last spring turkey hunting, this guy and his kid set up 40 yards from my blind. I saw them and quietly walked into my blind and sat till dark. They left as soon as I sat down and flipped me off a couple times and cussed me out ( I think) as they walked away. I'm not claiming a breach of some unspoken etiquette code, they followed the laws. The fact that so many of these people try to enforce their etiquette on other people is BS.

there is a crap ton of illegals who fish round here, they always take ALOT of fish also

The difference between older sportsmen and folks nowadays. Yep, we had this BS years ago, but not near as much as today !!
There's a thing called respect. Setting up on top of another fisherman is nonsense !!

Try living in northern New York, lots of people from downstate throwing money around here.

Absolutely! But to confront another angler and expect them to move is BS.

Pretty basic concept. They cruise along the sea walls - anywhere from 3' away to 100's of feet away and cruise almost anywhere in between. Yes, some structure or obstacles will create funnels where they pass along more concentrated. No real need for a flasher other than checking depth, which isn't too important in some harbors. Kenosha has spots of greater depth than say Racine. Also, because the depth is relatively shallow, less than 15feet, your cone width isn't very wide. By the time yoou see the flash, they inhaled a FinSfish or bladebait and off to the races

This vid is in Kenosha. If you google map it (satelite view) you'll see they are at the ramp- all the way up in the harbor. Sure did enjoy the 70's /80's when everyone thought we were nuts for icefishing here

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I thought "What that law is a bunch of crazy crap"! Till I read that article, then it made sense!