When Jesus turned water into wine, the master of the banquet pulled the bridegroom aside and said “Everyone brings out the choice wine first and then the cheaper wine after the guests have had too much to drink; but you have saved the best till now.”. The good stuff got drank first while everyone was stone cold sober, then once everyone was tipsy and didn't care, they brought out the swill, but Jesus made the best wine for last. Obviously Jesus knew everyone was tipsy and having a good time, and yet, when they wine ran out, he made even more for everyone to drink. So it would seem that at least every once in a while, intoxication isn't sinful, since the Son of God himself served alcohol to already-intoxicated people.

I quit about 4 years ago after 30 years, the last 20 being pretty heavy. When I couldn’t afford it wasn’t too bad, but when I got into the line trade it got worse. Booze was a big part of the trade. The councillor I was video chatting with said I’ll need something to do with my time. I always called myself a trapper but never really trapped so I told him “I’m going to trap”. Now, all I do is work and trap, 24/7. The OT is through the roof because I’m stealing extra call shifts and am able to drop what I’m doing and help out other guys when not on call and everyone knows it, so quite often I’m the first they call. I miss some parts of it, but the benefits out weigh the good times. In the end, you have to quit for yourself and nobody else, it took about 3 months to realize this. I still go to parties and it gets entertaining in a different way. It’s easy to tune someone up when you’re sober if you have to……lol
I am lucky that my youngest kid is 20 right now, going to university and living at home for free as long as she votes conservative while under this roof. But I sure missed most of their younger years. It is what it is, it’s in the past and I just deal with it.
Another thing is that I realized that there’s no real problems in life, just little minor stuff that I deal with now. Everything seemed blown out of proportion years ago.
My tolerance for incompetence and laziness is much lower now. Too many government employees and people in general with a crappy attitude and I let them know, managers included. I’m lucky that I’ve got close tie to a couple VPs cuz crap always flows down hill….lol
The true Martens has come out in me, and like my uncles…..we can be a bunch of pricks……but people sometimes hate to hear the truth.

I only drink on days that end with y.

Who is preaching on this thread?

I wonder if the occasional snort of cocaine is sinful? Just like liquor is an intoxicating too. Just in a different way.

My parents went to the World Fair and Exposition (Seattle 1962) where mom tried some "Peruvian tea" at one of the stands. Man did it pep her up! She walked around all day without getting tired. But later when she tried to buy more through the mail found out that the feds had shut them down because it contained coca leaf. She sure was disappointed!

I agree. I don't think it was just grape juice either. The bible condemns drunkenness. Proverbs says, a drunkard will never enter the kingdom of heaven. To me, a drunkard is a person who lives to drink; can't go without it. Having a couple beers occasionally doesn't make you a drunk.

Or how about, the only time I ever drink is when I'm alone or with somebody.

A man told me that a man should have and maintain one bad habit for life .

It couldn't have been grape juice, unless it was super fresh, like less than a week old. It's not like they had refrigerators back then. Any grape juice left for more than a few days would start to ferment. And since grapes only got harvested in the fall, it would have all been wine.

The last supper was in the springtime (it was during passover), and the cup that they passed around would have been wine, since any grape juice would have been several months old at that point, so Jesus himself absolutely drank alcoholic wine.

Been my experience as well. Mad if I came home drunk, mad if I didn’t come home. Lawyer explained giving up alcohol was cheaper than giving up a wife.

It doesn't say Jesus drank from the cup. It says he passed it to the disciples. Did he? I don't know for sure. It seems like a logical conclusion, but you can not say he absolutely did, because the Bible doesn't say that.

Would Jesus recommend drinken?

I think it is as you say, a logical conclusion that Jesus did drink wine. Wine was probably safer to drink than the water back then. The alcohol should have killed most of the bacteria in the wine.

Jesus probably never drank wine, not because he was opposed to it, but because he was a Nazarene. Nazarenes did not cut their hair either.

Is drinkin part of the sanctification process?

There are millions of people who drink that probably never have read the Bible.

Bryce

Didn't Jesus drink wine offered to him on a sponge and stick as he was being crucified?
"I thirst"

As a preacher since I was 15, I have counseled hundreds of people... I have never had to counsel someone for beating their wife, spending grocery money, raping their kids, commiting murder, etcetera, because they chose not to drink. The counseling was always for those who chose to drink.

1) Genesis 9:20-26 – Noah became drunk; the result was immorality and family trouble.

2) Genesis 19:30-38 – Lot was so drunk he did not know what he was doing; this led to immorality

3) Leviticus 10:9-11 – God commanded priests not to drink so that they could tell the difference between the holy and the unholy.

4) Numbers 6:3 – The Nazarites were told to eat or drink nothing from the grape vine.

5) Deuteronomy 21:20 – A drunken son was stubborn and rebellious.

6) Deuteronomy 29:5-6 – God gave no grape juice to Israel nor did they have intoxicating drink in the wilderness.

7) Deuteronomy 32:33 – Intoxicating wine is like the poison of serpents, the cruel venom of asps.

8) Judges 13:4, 7, 14 – Samson was to be a Nazarite for life. His mother was told not to drink wine or strong drink.

9) 1 Samuel 1:14-15 – Accused, Hannah said she drank no wine.

10) 1 Samuel 25:32-38 – Nabal died after a drunken spree.

11) 2 Samuel 11:13 – By getting Uriah drunk, David hoped to cover his sin.

12) 2 Samuel 13:28-29 – Amnon was drunk when he was killed.

13) 1 Kings 16:8-10 – The king was drinking himself into drunkenness when he was assassinated

14) 1 Kings 20:12-21 – Ben-Hadad and 32 other kings were drinking when they were attacked and defeated by the Israelites.

15) Esther 1:5-12 – The king gave each one all the drink he wanted. The king was intoxicated when he commanded the queen to come.

16) Psalm 75:8 – The Lord’s anger is pictured as mixed wine poured out and drunk by the wicked.

17) Proverbs 4:17 – Alcoholic drink is called the wine of violence.

18) Proverbs 20:1 – Wine is a mocker, strong drink is raging.

19) Proverbs 23:19-20 – A wise person will not be among the drinkers of alcoholic beverages.

20) Proverbs 23:21 – Drunkenness causes poverty.

21) Proverbs 23:29-30 – Drinking causes woe, sorrow, fighting, babbling, wounds without cause and red eyes.

22) Proverbs 23:31 – God instructs not to look at intoxicating drinks.

23) Proverbs 23:32 – Alcoholic drinks bite like a serpent, sting like an adder.

24) Proverbs 23:33 – Alcohol causes the drinker to have strange and adulterous thoughts, produces willfulness, and prevents reformation.

25) Proverbs 23:34 – Alcohol makes the drinker unstable

26) Proverbs 23:35 – Alcohol makes the drinker insensitive to pain so he does not perceive it as a warning. Alcohol is habit forming.

27) Proverb 31:4-5 – Kings, Princes, and others who rule and judge must not drink alcohol. Alcohol perverts good judgment.

28) Proverbs 31:6-7 – Strong drink could be given to those about to perish or those in pain. Better anesthetics are available today.

29) Ecclesiastes 2:3 – The king tried everything, including intoxicating drink, to see if it satisfied. It did not. (Ecclesiastes 12:8)

30) Ecclesiastes 10:17 – A land is blessed when its leaders do not drink.

31) Isaiah 5:11-12 – Woe to those who get up early to drink and stay up late at night to get drunk.

32) Isaiah 5:22 – Woe to “champion” drinkers and “experts” at mixing drinks.

33) Isaiah 19:14 – Drunken men stagger in their vomit.

34) Isaiah 22:12-13 – The Israelites choose to drink; their future looks hopeless to them.

35) Isaiah 24:9 – Drinkers cannot escape the consequences when God judges.

36) Isaiah 28:1 – God pronounces woe on the drunkards of Ephraim.

37) Isaiah 28:3 – Proud drunkards shall be trodden down.

38) Isaiah 28:7 – Priests and prophets stagger and reel from beer and wine, err in vision, and stumble in judgment.

39) Isaiah 28:8 – Drinkers’ tables are covered with vomit and filth.

40) Isaiah 56:9-12 – Drinkers seek their own gain and expect tomorrow to be just like today.

41) Jeremiah 35:2-14 – The Rechabites drank no grape juice or intoxicating wine and were blessed.

42) Ezekiel 44:21 – Again God instructed the priests not to drink wine.

43) Daniel 1:5-17 – Daniel refused the king’s intoxicating wine and was blessed for it along with his abstaining friends.

44) Daniel 5:1 – Belshazzar, ruler of Babylon; led his people in drinking.

45) Daniel 5:2-3 – The king, along with his nobles, wives, and concubines, drank from the goblets which had been taken from God’s temple.

46) Daniel 5:4 – Drinking wine was combined with praising false gods.

47) Daniel 5:23 – God sent word to Belshazzar that punishment would be swift for the evil he had committed.

48) Hosea 4:11 – Intoxicating wine takes away intelligence.

49) Hosea 7:5 – God reproves princes for drinking.

50) Joel 1:5 – Drunkards awake to see God’s judgment.

51) Joel 3:3 – The enemy is judged for selling girls for wine.

52) Amos 2:8 – Unrighteous acts of Israel included the drinking of wine which had been taken for the payment of fines.

53) Amos 2:12 – Israel is condemned for forcing Nazarites to drink wine.

54) Micah 2:11 – Israelites are eager to follow false teachers who prophesy plenty of intoxicating drinks.

55) Nahum 1:10 – The drunkards of Nineveh will be destroyed by God.

56) Habakkuk 2:5 – A man is betrayed by wine.

57) Habakkuk 2:15 – Woe to him that gives his neighbor drink.

58) Habakkuk 2:16 – Drinking leads to shame.

59) Matthew 24:48-51 – A drinking servant is unprepared for his Lord’s return.

60) Luke 1:15 – John the Baptist drank neither grape juice nor wine.

61) Luke 12:45 – Christ warned against drunkenness.

62) Luke 21:34 – Drunkenness will cause a person not to be ready for the Lord’s return.

63) Romans 13:13 – Do not walk in drunkenness or immorality.

64) Romans 14:21 – Do not do anything that will hurt your testimony as a believer.

65) 1 Corinthians 5:11 – If a Christian brother is a drinker, do not associate with him.

66) 1 Corinthians 6:10 – Drunkards will not inherit the kingdom of God

67) Galatians 5:21 – Acts of the sinful nature, such as drunkenness, will prohibit a person from inheriting the kingdom of God.

68) Ephesians 5:18 – In contrast to being drunk with wine, the believer is to be filled with the Spirit.

69) 1 Thessalonians 5:6-7 – Christians are to be alert and self-controlled, belonging to the day. Drunkards belong to the night and darkness.

70) 1 Timothy 3:2-3 – Bishops (elders) are to be temperate, sober, and not near any wine.

71) 1 Timothy 3:8 – Deacons are to be worthy of respect and not drinkers.

72) 1 Timothy 3:11 – Deacons’ wives are to be temperate and sober.

73) Titus 1:7-8 – An overseer is to be disciplined.

74) Titus 2:2-3 – The older men and older women of the church are to be temperate and not addicted to wine.

75) 1 Peter 4:3-4 – The past life of drunkenness and carousing has no place in the Christian’s life.’

Didn't seem to be much Scriptures being mentioned about the topic, other than one or two well known ones for medical purposes, so here's a few. Scriptures are God’s thoughts on the matter. Much more negative thoughts than good ones. I grew up by a redneck bar in podunkville, FL. Never saw any good come of it.