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|  Re: No more debt ceiling??
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Every time I see the trapperman Trump haters start whining the more I know he's the right man for the job. Spot on assessment x3I must have memory issues b/c I can't remember any of these "suddenly fiscally responsible red blooded American patriots" saying one word while Biden was in office. All I hear is their current whining with no solutions offered. 
 Are we to infer that the solution would have been to elect Harris? Every possible position these TDS jokers can take is laughable.
 
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|  Re: No more debt ceiling??
[Re: bblwi]
 #8415554 06/06/25 04:15 PM
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We may be in a situation where slowing debt may be hard and thinking about lowering and eliminating our debt maybe generations away. One of the things we need to consider if and while we are accumulating debt is that about 35-36% of our total GDP comes from government spending. Debt that contributes to our economy and total GDP is not nearly as burdonsome as debt that is created and does not create jobs, growth or wealth in the private sector. Having a society and politicians that have better understandings of that concept may be in short supply.
 Bryce
It'll never happen.  If our debt goes away, so does the dollar as the world's strongest currency.   We lost when we went off gold and we lost when we went to a central banking system.  Every fiat currency in history has failed.  Ours is no different.   It hasn't fail yet, but it will.   When is the question. |  |  |  
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|  Re: No more debt ceiling??
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 #8415556 06/06/25 04:19 PM
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 Perhaps a smart person would be learning that of the two candidates last election NEITHER is the right person to right the country In your opinion, was there ever a right person to right the Country? Which President or presidential candidate was that? 
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|  Re: No more debt ceiling??
[Re: Pafoxman]
 #8415572 06/06/25 05:08 PM
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The link below show what the US makes in arms sales to other nations. Don't know if that is the total or if there are other arms that are part of barter or trade systems or other means.
 AI Overview
 The US government makes a significant amount of revenue from selling weapons to other nations. A three-year rolling average for fiscal years 2022-2024 shows $83.6 billion in transferred defense articles and services through the Foreign Military Sales system. In fiscal year 2023 alone, the US did over $80 billion in business through this system, including grant assistance.
 Here's a more detailed breakdown:
 Foreign Military Sales (FMS):
 This is a system where the US government manages the sale of defense equipment to foreign allies and partners. The Department of State's Office of Regional Security and Arms Transfers, in close partnership with the Department of Defense's Defense Security Cooperation Agency, manages the FMS approval process.
 Direct Commercial Sales:
 Foreign governments can also purchase arms directly from US companies, which also requires US government approval.
 Record Highs:
 In fiscal year 2023, the US saw record-high arms exports, with sales through the government reaching $80.9 billion and direct commercial sales reaching $157.5 billion, according to Reuters.
 Increasing Demand:
 The war in Ukraine has increased demand for US weapons, leading to a record $238 billion in total arms sales overseas in 2023, according to the BBC.
 Fiscal Year 2024 U.S. Arms Transfers and Defense Trade
 Jan 24, 2025 — The three-year rolling average value for transferred defense articles and services and security cooperation activities...
 
 State Department
 US weapons sales abroad hit record high in 2023, boosted by ...
 Jan 29, 2024 — US weapons sales abroad hit record high in 2023, boosted by Ukraine war. US weapons sales overseas rose sharply last y...
 
 BBC
 
 DOD Has Seen 'Huge' Increase in Military Sales Since ...
 Apr 9, 2024 — Included in that figure is about $24 billion in sales in Europe. ... In fiscal year 2023, the U.S. did more than $80 bi...
 
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 The three-year rolling average value for transferred defense articles and services and security cooperation activities conducted under the Foreign Military Sales system was for FY2022-FY2024 was $83.6 billion. This represents a 49.6% increase from $55.9 billion for FY2021-FY2023.Jan 24, 2025
 
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|  Re: No more debt ceiling??
[Re: Pafoxman]
 #8415574 06/06/25 05:13 PM
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No one said Harris would be better. Are we to infer that you favor raising the national debt? Perhaps a smart person would be learning that of the two candidates last election NEITHER is the right person to right the country how many votes did your preferred candidate get? |  |  |  
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[Re: white marlin]
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I figured pafoxman wouldn't answer Leftlane or me, so I looked up the results...
 coming in at #3:  Jill Stein...862, 049 votes
 coming in at #4:  Bobby Kennedy (who withdrew from the race)...756,393 votes
 coming in at #5:  Chase Oliver...650,126 votes
 
 all three in the 0.5 percent range.
 
 looks like yours is a very small minority position.
Your point? It does nothing to disprove that neither candidate (and all minority candidates) was a good option. |  |  |  
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Cut every budget 10% and let the agency figure out how to deal with it Elon Musk and Taco have no idea of what is going on and now the Bro marriage is over still waiting for the Epstein files but it will be like waiting for the wall. Sad when some of congress that voted for the big beautiful bill now say they didn't know what was in it. Yup. Elon says Trump is listed in the Epstein files. The bromance has crashed and burned. If you didn't see this coming a mile away I have a bridge I'll sell ya |  |  |  
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We may be in a situation where slowing debt may be hard and thinking about lowering and eliminating our debt maybe generations away. One of the things we need to consider if and while we are accumulating debt is that about 35-36% of our total GDP comes from government spending. Debt that contributes to our economy and total GDP is not nearly as burdonsome as debt that is created and does not create jobs, growth or wealth in the private sector. Having a society and politicians that have better understandings of that concept may be in short supply.
 Bryce
What kind of economy requires constant government borrowing stimulus to achieve growth? Not  Keynes. 
 Who is John Galt?
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[Re: Pafoxman]
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looks like yours is a very small minority position.Your point? It does nothing to disprove that neither candidate (and all minority candidates) was a good option.a better question is 'what is YOUR point?" if they (good, better, best "Candidate") isn't running, or doesn't get any votes to speak of; yours is a moot point of the highest order. |  |  |  
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|  Re: No more debt ceiling??
[Re: Pafoxman]
 #8415732 06/06/25 10:11 PM
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Funny how they're always ashamed to admit who they voted for.
 Goes to show that deep down they know Trump was the better one.
 
 There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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|  Re: No more debt ceiling??
[Re: white marlin]
 #8415734 06/06/25 10:14 PM
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 a better question is 'what is YOUR point?"
 
 if they (good, better, best "Candidate") isn't running, or doesn't get any votes to speak of; yours is a moot point of the highest order.
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 Really?? So, using your logic, even if I think both candidates are unqualified, I need to pick one, never criticize anything they do, support them in every way. Nope, sorry. I can think for myself, I'm not a sheep like you are
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|  Re: No more debt ceiling??
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 #8415739 06/06/25 10:22 PM
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Debt ceiling should be gone, both sides use it for ransom to get even more spending. 
 There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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