doesn't mean his points aren't valid.

I never heard of you, but you seem to think your viewpoints are valid.

LOL.

Youtube and social media is where a lot of the hissy Tman experts "learn." And Newsmax, OAN and Fox.

did you watch it?

refute his points! show me how wrong I am!

Still better than some liberal infested college.

White, I’m not doubting climate cycles. I’m asking you - do you think humans are capable of impacting these cycles? And if not (because you’ll dig your heels in) how are you certain? Posting somebody else talking in a YouTube video doesn’t count as an answer.

I'm not certain if humans can impact natural cycles or not.

and neither are the alarmists (if they were truthful)

but because of the absolutely DRACONIAN/EXPENSIVE changes to society that they are promoting, THEY are the ones with whom the burden of proof lies.

and Common Sense (not so common these days) argues against their Chicken Little scenarios.

the video that you and BC choose to ignore talks about how the graphs that the Alarmists use to create fear are manipulated to "prove" their point.

when Obama sells his oceanfront properties for pennies on the dollar, and Algore drops his carbon credit schemes, and the UN says EVERY country must reduce their emissions by the same exact percentage; you can get back to me.

Common Sense, isn't it?

I watched the video. He talks about cherry picking of timeframes, but he did the same thing and only looked back 100 years or so.

The data these “alarmists” are looking at are averages from thousands of years compared to averages in the last 60 or whatever your YouTube genius is arguing against.

We can only look at averages and relativities because we aren’t here long enough to say for certain of anything.

What I can say is, I have personally witnessed entire hillsides - hundreds of acres of Alaska Yellow Cedar at specific elevations - that were completely dead. They survived the extreme heatwaves of 100 years ago, so why are they dead now? Perhaps the heat shift has been too quick for the trees to adjust?

what is your proof they died from the heat? I'm betting insects.

It’s been studied thoroughly and proven that lack of snow depth insulation in winter has allowed the fine root hairs to freeze, thus preventing water/nutrient uptake during the growing season.

I’ll look for a YouTube video that describes how plants live.

we are coming out of an Ice Age. not surprising that temps are getting warmer than it was. Context, my Friend...context.

and if "we aren't not here long enough to say for certain of anything", how can you be so certain that this warming is a catastrophe in the making? or worthy enough to allow a handful of elites to completely change our Society. That IS what they're saying/working towards!

linky?

I'm willing to learn..

If only we would have payed more taxes those trees would still be alive.

Lol you guys probably crushed debate team in high school.

If you’ve read anything I’ve said, I’ve never claimed the world is ending. What I’ve stated the whole time is that I think it’s foolish to believe humans CAN’T have an impact on the planet. Nobody has given me solid proof to think I’m wrong.

I’ll find you some links, White. It’s a huge concern for the timber industry of SE Alaska given the high values of the yellow cedar to the export market.

https://www.fs.usda.gov/r10/natural-resources/forest-health/yellow-cedar-decline

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yellow-cedar_decline

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/gov/content/...est-health/declines/yellow-cedar-decline

Lots of information out there if you Google “yellow cedar decline”

I believe in climate change. We don’t have anything to do with it and it’s arrogant of mankind to think that we do. Put that in your pipe and smoke it along with the local weed.

Heck of an argument. But why couldn’t humans impact it?

I appreciate the links, Leroy. and over the next few days, will delve deeper into them (heading to Church in a few).

but this one snippet from US Forest Service in 1993 is intriguing...

"Ecological studies.
Our studies on the ecological aspects of cedar decline suggest that extensive tree mortality began a little over 100 years ago in about 1880. Our evidence also suggests that decline began at about the same time on all sites where it now occurs --thus it has not spread to any new sites since onset. The boundaries of decline have spread slightly at some sites, but typically by not more than 300 feet in the last century. Where decline has spread locally, its spread has been out of bogs (muskegs) upslope to trees growing on somewhat better drainage. Cedar decline is highly specific to certain sites, characterized by having poor drainage. Less commonly, cedar decline occurs on steeper hillsides where soils are very shallow and underlaid by bedrock. But yellow-cedar trees growing with other conifers on more productive sites with better drainage away from bogs have not experienced cedar decline. We predict that the problem will not develop in such forests."

I’d be happy to hear about what you uncover. It’s a challenge I dealt with from a professional standpoint and something that lead me to think about human impacts from a personal standpoint.

what is your profession?