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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443526
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The benefits of fossil fuels GREATLY outweigh any negative(real or imagined) effects on the planet

The “climate crisis” folks are anti human, and their goal is to reduce the overall human population

Just plain evil!!

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443527
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You get your news from YouTube.

I’ve personally experienced several things that would suggest humans have an impact.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: spjones] #8443530
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Originally Posted by spjones
The benefits of fossil fuels GREATLY outweigh any negative(real or imagined) effects on the planet

The “climate crisis” folks are anti human, and their goal is to reduce the overall human population

Just plain evil!!



I use fossil fuels every day. Always have, always will, and I enjoy using them.

Do you think humans can impact the Earth and its natural cycles through our use/development of the land?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: ] #8443532
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Lol read that wrong. Either way, you’re saying numbers don’t matter. If 100% of the land mass is concrete/asphalt then do we impact the Earth?


that is a Straw Man Argument and won't fly here.

try again.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: white marlin] #8443535
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Originally Posted by white marlin
Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Lol read that wrong. Either way, you’re saying numbers don’t matter. If 100% of the land mass is concrete/asphalt then do we impact the Earth?


that is a Straw Man Argument and won't fly here.

try again.


50%?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443540
07/27/25 08:48 AM
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did you watch the youtube video I just posted, or do you wish to remain ignorant?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443546
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Will you ever answer one question or will you continue to rely on a guy from YouTube that nobody has ever heard of?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: ] #8443549
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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
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that is a Straw Man Argument and won't fly here.

try again.
50%?


really? you're asking a hypothetical question that is ridiculously overblown (by a factor greater than fifty TIMES)?

if that's all you got...

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: ] #8443552
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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Will you ever answer one question or will you continue to rely on a guy from YouTube that nobody has ever heard of?


doesn't mean his points aren't valid.

I never heard of you, but you seem to think your viewpoints are valid.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: beaverpeeler] #8443553
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Originally Posted by beaverpeeler
I guess you guys are just smarter than the phD's that have devoted their lives to studying these things. I'll just shut up then.


LOL.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: ] #8443554
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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Will you ever answer one question or will you continue to rely on a guy from YouTube that nobody has ever heard of?


Youtube and social media is where a lot of the hissy Tman experts "learn." And Newsmax, OAN and Fox.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443559
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did you watch it?

refute his points! show me how wrong I am!

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Blaine County] #8443560
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Originally Posted by Blaine County
Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
Will you ever answer one question or will you continue to rely on a guy from YouTube that nobody has ever heard of?


Youtube and social media is where a lot of the hissy Tman experts "learn." And Newsmax, OAN and Fox.


Still better than some liberal infested college. whistle


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443561
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White, I’m not doubting climate cycles. I’m asking you - do you think humans are capable of impacting these cycles? And if not (because you’ll dig your heels in) how are you certain? Posting somebody else talking in a YouTube video doesn’t count as an answer.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443564
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I'm not certain if humans can impact natural cycles or not.

and neither are the alarmists (if they were truthful)

but because of the absolutely DRACONIAN/EXPENSIVE changes to society that they are promoting, THEY are the ones with whom the burden of proof lies.

and Common Sense (not so common these days) argues against their Chicken Little scenarios.

the video that you and BC choose to ignore talks about how the graphs that the Alarmists use to create fear are manipulated to "prove" their point.

when Obama sells his oceanfront properties for pennies on the dollar, and Algore drops his carbon credit schemes, and the UN says EVERY country must reduce their emissions by the same exact percentage; you can get back to me.

Common Sense, isn't it?

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Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443566
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I watched the video. He talks about cherry picking of timeframes, but he did the same thing and only looked back 100 years or so.

The data these “alarmists” are looking at are averages from thousands of years compared to averages in the last 60 or whatever your YouTube genius is arguing against.

We can only look at averages and relativities because we aren’t here long enough to say for certain of anything.

What I can say is, I have personally witnessed entire hillsides - hundreds of acres of Alaska Yellow Cedar at specific elevations - that were completely dead. They survived the extreme heatwaves of 100 years ago, so why are they dead now? Perhaps the heat shift has been too quick for the trees to adjust?

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: ] #8443568
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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
I watched the video. He talks about cherry picking of timeframes, but he did the same thing and only looked back 100 years or so.

The data these “alarmists” are looking at are averages from thousands of years compared to averages in the last 60 or whatever your YouTube genius is arguing against.

We can only look at averages and relativities because we aren’t here long enough to say for certain of anything.

What I can say is, I have personally witnessed entire hillsides - hundreds of acres of Alaska Yellow Cedar at specific elevations - that were completely dead. They survived the extreme heatwaves of 100 years ago, so why are they dead now? Perhaps the heat shift has been too quick for the trees to adjust?


what is your proof they died from the heat? I'm betting insects.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: Finster] #8443570
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It’s been studied thoroughly and proven that lack of snow depth insulation in winter has allowed the fine root hairs to freeze, thus preventing water/nutrient uptake during the growing season.

I’ll look for a YouTube video that describes how plants live.

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: ] #8443579
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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
I watched the video. He talks about cherry picking of timeframes, but he did the same thing and only looked back 100 years or so.

The data these “alarmists” are looking at are averages from thousands of years compared to averages in the last 60 or whatever your YouTube genius is arguing against.

We can only look at averages and relativities because we aren’t here long enough to say for certain of anything.


we are coming out of an Ice Age. not surprising that temps are getting warmer than it was. Context, my Friend...context.

and if "we aren't not here long enough to say for certain of anything", how can you be so certain that this warming is a catastrophe in the making? or worthy enough to allow a handful of elites to completely change our Society. That IS what they're saying/working towards!

Re: Still believing in climate change? [Re: ] #8443581
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Originally Posted by Leroy Bob
It’s been studied thoroughly and proven that lack of snow depth insulation in winter has allowed the fine root hairs to freeze, thus preventing water/nutrient uptake during the growing season.


linky?

I'm willing to learn..

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