From what I read, the tax stamp for suppressors was set to $0. I also read that means they are not under taxable control so requiring their registration is unconstitutional. This sets up a fight as related to the $0 mandate for the ACA.

Anybody got any other latest info on this fight? I look forward to the day I can go into a gun store and purchase one off the shelf.

That fight has just started, probably several years to wind through the courts. Reason enough to pray for the health of Thomas and Alito or make sure Trump nominates rock solid constitution originalists if they should retire.

I wonder if they are a fad. Ugly as heck. When I shoot, it is only once. Dead deer right there.

Question: If I had one and used it to sight in a rifle, would the point of impact change if I no longer used the can?

You're thinking about them in the wrong way...... There's lots of things that are unconstitutional. I like to follow the rules and stay out of trouble.

A fair chance it would.

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On my 17WSM. 17 Remington and 223 the point of impact didn't change. Just have to see what your rifle does with and without.

Suppressors are a big thing here have been even before it got easier to get them predator callers mostly started 15-20 years ago. The Sheriff had to sign off and we did the print cards.

That shooting only once can be an issue as well with some designs. Either first round pop or impact shift or both. Basically a cold empty can being sudenly filled with hot gasses.

One benefit of the popularity is newer and better designs hitting the market that eliminate many older issues.

While I haven't partaken of, I have been following, watching and reading and I believe the suppressor guys have done more advancements in materials and design in the last decade or so than the rest of the gun industry in the last century.

I feel the way they do in some other countries where suppressors are completely legal and encouraged.

It is like taking a big engine and running it on open headers. Sounds cool but you can hear it miles away. Can you imagine the noise if all cars didn't have mufflers ? That would be just raw and rude.

Having one on a firearm cuts down hugely on the noise pollution. Even with just one shot a season deer hunting is bad for your ears , I doubt most hunters wear hearing protection because it takes away noises they need to hear , like game moving. With a suppressor you don't need hearing protection as much.

Plus if you harvest a deer with a suppressor , you will not spook the deer the guy down the road is trying to harvest.

you are required to have a muffler on your motorcycle , car , truck , lawn mower , it just makes sense we should be running hearing protecting simple mufflers on our guns as well.

the 0 dollar tax stamp goes into effect Jan 1

it serves to take the money out of it , it may well make further change later.

I am going to get my prints on Friday and get the process started so I either pre-buy and take delivery after Jan 1 or buy Jan 1

Funny thing is suppressors go a long way to prevent the "noise pollution" that would upset the same karens that get upset over "silencers", go figure.

Silencer Central is offering several models right now where they will cover the $250 fee.

subsonics in a suppressed 22 are amazing. There is no crack or pop. The primary sound is the action cycling. On a 4" bull barrel pistol, it just looks like a slightly long barrelled pistol. On a 10/22 charger with arm brace, it looks like a small rifle even with the suppressor.

On larger rifles its still helpful. Yes it moves the POI, but it is repeatable.

I will look at that , I am specifically looking at a Rambling Man 46cal to go on my 1895 45-70 dark

Not a fad at all in my opinion. After I got my first one I wanted all my guns threaded.

We had our annual high school buddies range day last weekend, we are all in our mid 50’s now, and about half the guns had suppressors on them. By the end of the day we seriously considered not allowing anything without a suppressor next year. It was refreshing to not have to have ear protection all the time, just made the whole day more enjoyable. We also discussed tinnitus and every single one of us has developed it now. Thousands of shotgun rounds bird hunting, hundreds of rifle rounds deer and other hunting without ear protection. Suppressors might save the next generation from so much hearing loss.

We put mufflers on cars, and they aren’t nearly as loud. I am a fan of suppressors and think they should not only be as legal and unregulated as a scope, but also encouraged. And my .22 squirrel rifle shoots a tad better with the can on, and the tree rats barely stop munching a nut when the one on the next branch over suddenly makes a “plop” noise and falls to the ground. I have regularly shoot a limit from one hickory without even disturbing the one not shot yet.

IF I buy one it will be cause I decided to buy a 22 with a threaded barrel. Would be a boon for small game. I trap predators. Don't like shooting more than one deer a day. Processing meat is not a chore I enjoy with big game.

I always wanted one for my .22 for the coyote trapline Danny. That way I wouldn’t wake up the landowners around here in middle of the night when I’m running traps late.
Jim

The wait time for one was not what I expected, was very quick.

I have one on a ruger American in 308 and a 10-22, both Bannish, I feel I still need hearing protection with the 308, but the 22 is noticeably quieter. It’s not like the movies folks.

I only shoot once. Its still saving your hearing and not going to bother as many people.

Yes it gose to 0$ Jan 1 but expect the system to crash with the overload it will get. The fight is just starting. When dems get back in charge if the fight is not won yet they may inflation adjust the 200$ stamp to nearly 5 k. I won't bank on anything one way or another.

Post of impact shift depends on the rifle suppressor combo. Some shift a lot others not at all but its repeatable ie the same . But once you shoot with a suppressor you will quickly realize you won't ever want to shoot without one so its irrelevant.

Someone said something about first round pop. that is common on mono core designs but host also makes a difference. One of my 22 suppressors has a lot of frist round pop on a pistol but none on a rifle. several other cans i have have zero first round pop on anything.

Have 2 new ones paid for at the gun shop now. To much back and forth with the silincer shop thing that was supposed to be easy. not waiting on January for one may on the other but then again probably not.

Been shooting suppressed since 2011.

A .22 suppressed with the correct sub sonic ammo is pretty movie quiet.

i.e. - Aguila subs are quiet. Remington subs are not quiet. You need to get the FPS less than the sound barrier for quiet. The real quiet ones may not work the slide.

Even with the permit fee being zero, filling out the forms still give the gov a permit record of where the "nasty" firearm owners are, so when administrations change and things go to H in a handbag again and they then become prohibited and the powers to be say turn in or go to jail they know where to go looking. As long as the cost of the permit is zero should be no problem if a DIY'er makes their own except the Gov doesn't know who has what and that is the reason the gov want people to file the form 1 or form 4.
Have seen some suppressors that worked exceptionally well and others that were more like muzzle breaks, rifle report louder than a bare barrel. With some subsonic ammo pellets guns are louder and some rifles don't get complete cycle, with standard velocity ammo and high velocity you hear the Crack of projectile breaking sound barrier not the actual firing of the round, which makes it difficult to determine where shot originated.

Here's an article by silencer central that answers most question.

Appears there's going to be a class action lawsuit challenging the NFA

https://silencerco.com/blog/no-more-200-tax-stamps-for-suppressors

MAGA

Not every deer runs after a shot is fired. I have killed a buck on two occasions and had another buck step into the field beside the dead buck. Seen it many times with doe deer.

Some deer are confused at first. Of course, no noise at all is preferred to any type of gun noise.

All of my semi autos cycle standard velocity ammo. No need to buy anything marketed subsonic or suppressor. All standard velocity is subsonic.

All .22 amo is subsonic out of my Ruger Mark 2. had it cut off at 4.25" so no ammo gets enough powder burn to break the speed of sound.


If you think 4473 dont get keep as well as background check records your kidding yourself. Not long after every shooting they know exactly what model the gun was and where it was purchased.

Dumbest I ever saw I spotted me shifting shoulders to shoot around the tree I was in. He took two hops stopped to get a second look. I snap shot right over his back. He took two more hops and stopped for a third look. I didn't miss that time.

Joke was on me because he dropped, kicked, and rolled off the ridge and didn't stop rolling until I heard him splash in the creek a hundred feet below.

The last 1 I ordered took less than a month. It came with a trust set up.

The 1st one took 11 months

It only took a week or so to get the approval. The rest was filling out forms and getting it sent when the approval came

If im ever to get the final signing done so my next one can be sent off i will let you know on time frame on a trust. Girl i just spoke with said she had one just come back in 4 days on trust and it surprised her. I and hoping within 2 weeks. Its for my 15 year olds 350 legend and I hope to get it back before the last weekend of the month youth deer.

I have had them take 8 months to 16 months in the past.

Looked it up, I ordered mine July 3rd, July 23rd it was in my hand with a trust.

Linejumper, if your 22 isn't shooting movie quiet with a can it's because of the ammo

With my Begara and subsonic ammo the only thing I hear is the firing pin and the round hitting the target.

I looked up how long it took the atf on the last one 9 days from submittal to approval. With a trust

Thanks 49er, I bought some ammo I know is sub sonic but haven’t tried it yet. I didn’t think the bulk pack federal stuff was super sonic but I guess it is.

Inside a home (self defense), suppressed firearms are great to have. Without it, the noise can be deafening.

Line jumper you want ammo that's about 1050fps or less to stay subsonic. generally any standard velocity is subsonic. They sell some around 750fps that very quiet but the drop makes me stay with standard velocities.

Just sent that form 4 off with slincer shop tonight close to 8 pm

any bulk ammo with a 36gr bullet will be 1200-1240fps generally , making it supersonic

ammo advertised as Standard velocity 40 gr will be about 1070fps and at most altitudes will be sub sonic

the actual sub sonic ammo will generally be 1050fps and 40gr

the quite at 750fps 40gr and the quiet semi auto 850fps 45gr as pointed out have a bunch of extra drop

I like this stuff for my coon line https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1301163351
I don't even have a suppressor yet , it does not crack as sharp even in a regular unsuppressed gun
the reason I like it is that it A works and B is as close to CCI standard velocity as I can get in a hollow point.

if I could just get a brick of hollow point CCI standard velocity I would but they don't make it

Green county i think that's what my boys guns are sighted in with. Can't remember if it said subsonic or SV. I also like the segment hp at the same velocity when I can find them. Very devastating.