Let's say your neighbor chooses not to vaccinate their child for MMR. You also choose to not vaccinate your child for fear of the vaccination ingredients. Your neighbor goes to third world and the kid comes back with measles and has been on the bus with your kid for a week. Your kid gets measles and is in bad shape and out of school for weeks.

If Americans should be able to do what ever they want regardless of the safety concerns for fellow citizens, should all vaccinations be optional?

I do think there are several vaccinations that are anywhere from unnecessary to ridiculous. But vaccinations such as polio are rather serious.

What say you freedom lovers?

There are many actual vaccines that have been effective for decades. They should be mandatory. Others that have not stood the test of time should be optional.

If the vaccine works and you are vaccinated why worry if the next guy is or isn't vaccinated. Recommended yes, mandated no. This would place great faith in the parents ability to make the proper decision regarding their child. The same faith that is placed with .gov at the present.

I'm waiting on the "legal drugs" fanatics to chime in.

I am guessing it will be crickets instead.

Hey, this is the land of the free. I have all the permits and licenses to prove it.


Lol

People aren't forced to take vaccines

My daughter-in-law is a pediatrician. A mom just told her she didn't want her child to receive a tetanus shot. In her next breath, she asked, "what is tetanus"?

Could it be vaccines are not 100% and vaccinating everyone helps build herd immunity just as an extra precaution ?

For people my age there was no MMR vaccine. Most people got those three childhood diseases and developed a natural immunity. I knew one guy who got mumps in high school that moved down on him. He survived but was unable to procreate.

I’m old enough to have only received a polio vaccine. All the other viruses that they immunize for today , I ended up catching. Measles, Chicken Pox, Mumps…. It was no fun, got extremely ill with measles, almost killed me. Parents are making a big mistake not getting their kids immunized.

And there are some among us who can’t receive immunizations. Those who haven’t been vaccinated by choice are putting those folks at risk.

Sounds good to me. Freedom is messy. If you don't want measles, you're free to vaccinate, just like I'm free to not vaccinate. That's your choice for you and your kids. I'm not going to tell you what you have to put into your own body.

BTW, I have all my vaccines as so my children, except for the covid shot and the one for HPV (gardisil, maybe?.)

If you and your children have all your shots, or some, or none, good for you. It's ain't my business.

If my theoretical unvaccinated kid gets sick from your theoretical unvaccinated kid, then I guess too bad, so sad for me. Can't have freedom without the consequences that goes with it. But I'll choose freedom over tyranny every day of the week.

In our supposed free country, we all have consequence's upon our decisions of what we wish and what we don't !

Some are very clear ones, others more umm camouflaged, if one chooses to do an immunity shot, and then complains about symptoms they should not be blaming the shot, there is always a percentage that will get whatever with immunity shots !

If you choose to not have have immunity shots and then later on gets the virus of what ever, they can't hold any one responsible but them selves for catching it, when you have had the chance to receive it !

Seems pretty simple to me, until you get into forced compliance, then it's more debatable for the reason of the need for a
forced need, if you are not allowed to make the decision and are forced to take it regardless of the need, thats not freedom any longer !!

While that's true, there have been and are some pretty strict consequences of choosing not to... i.e. not being able to enroll kids in school, getting fired from jobs, not being able to fly, etc.

Here you can’t pick measles mumps or rubella vaccine for your kids. All 3 are in one shot, mmr. That seems ridiculous to me.

Most of what you post I dont agree with...but this^^^^ I agree with 100%!

Y30, those consequences are just short of forced taking in my view, wife and son were forced to take the Covid shot or lose their employment and the state we live in, Utah, was not under any mandatory direction, however the state did say it was up to employer's to dictate whether force or not, and a lot did decide to force, although to give a person a viable alternative they let them choose which one to take at that time, Mederna or Pfizer, they both chose Mederna and not like it is with out reproach it has not had as many problems as the Pfizer has !

They were also both working and still are working in school district jobs, and had a long service record, was difficult for them to
just walk away from and maybe not even given a chance back and lose the benefits they had worked for when they retire.

They now watch all of the Mederna reports for any problems, unfortunately a lot of problems don't show up for years after as they are finding out now on both of these shots !

I think the microchips the government put in the covid shots have moved down to my knee, it hurts and I can feel it grinding, lol !

Well think about this.

What happens when viruses are treated and are unable to perpetuate themselves? Now granted, measles virus is different that covid virus but can someone tell me what happens when a virus is allowed to perpetuate in a population en masse?

What are countries like that have no vaccination standards?

We seriously need to change some of ours, but not make all of them optional. Does anyone seriously think that would make America a better country?

RFK is trying to fix it. Not burn it down. He is wanting all of us to have all information possible to make a decision on each and every vaccine. He is not anti vaccine.

I regret some of the vaccines my children received but not all of them. I understand why some of them are mandatory and don't mind those.

Don't forget where we live and why it is one of the safest countries, disease wise, in the world. I personally want to change some of it, but I don't want to throw the baby out with the bath water and neither does RFK.

The reason we have such a strong vaccine hesitancy lies squarely at the feet of Fauxi. He fooled both presidents he served under and lied blatantly under oath. There was some vaccine hesitancy before, but now it is off the chart.

I kind of see this as a good and bad thing. He brought more awareness to the issue but he created massive distrust in the idea of vaccinations. To the point some people don't want any vaccinations due to their misunderstanding and distrust of vaccines and the medical community.

That's the lie pushed you have to have shots to go to school like its a fact. Religious exemption shoot that lie down at least in Indiana.

Religious exemption is a good option for some vaccines. Covid, flu, hepatitis, etc. I do it for seasonal flu vaccine and covid jabs.

I do consider it a world wide success on how polio has basically been eradicated by vaccinations. And many other diseases were almost completely eliminated and are now controlled due to vaccinations.

If all vaccinations are made optional, it will not end well at all. Vaccination schedules need to be revisited and revised but not eliminated. I hear the freedom thing but there is a give and take to be able to maintain the level of safety we enjoy everyday in America.

I don't think anyone should be strapped down or incarcerated for not getting certain vaccines, but if they claim religious exemptions then they need to be going to a religious school or home schooled.

We are gearing up for a measles issue in Guilford county where I work due to unvaccinated illegals. Now think about that. We are having to deal with a possible measles outbreak amongst unvaccinated individuals. Think about the drain on any municipalities resources with unvaccinated people having to get "free" treatment due to not getting a simple vaccination. That unvaccinated person is costing me money due to them not being vaccinated. Think about the mothers that could be carrying any disease and passing it onto their newborn. Or miscarrying due to carrying the disease but being immune.

Were we tyrannical when we quarantined immigrants at Ellis Island when the country was first being populated? Or were we being careful to not have the same disease issues in this country that we were running from the country we left.

If all vaccinations are optional, we will have more serious disease outbreaks in this country. That is a fact and one I will be embarrassed about as an American. Talk tyranny all you want, but if some mandatory vaccinations keep us from having third world disease outbreaks in America, I have zero problems with it.

Freedom.....it is the ability to make a choice

I would add Buzzard,,,, without repercussion !!

bowhunter27295 by all means get every vaccine you want. Just leave your neighbors alone. If they swell up and die you will be protected. The disease I worry about is TB.

Yes Grit, that does make sense, as a military brat I had alot of vaxs before

moving to Spain, already had the normal ones of the 60s

My comment was made on the definition of freedom,

Not about vaccines, freedom is a choice, be ruled by someone or not

TB is a good one to worry about. There is a new book named Everything Tuberculosis by John Green. A two day read at most. It says that one or every seven people who ever walked on the earth have died of TB. Between 2005 and 2015, more people on earth died of TB than were killed in WWI and WWII. Hard to swallow. Mostly preventable. They walk among us.

Additionally, TB can be dormant and never cause a problem. About 30% of people now carry dormant TB.

"freedom lovers". Freedom is limited and in many ways an illusion.

You're right. We should just give up and submit to our masters.

I grew up when children got the measles, the mumps, the chicken pox and probably something I forget. Had them, got better the way it's supposed to be

Haha, I think I have had all of them including the German measles and hepatitis

like Canada?

If you can be honest with yourself swap topic and use the same argument to support it and see how it sounds.
I suspect you will realize how much it sounds like some of the worst thing to have happened in the world. The good of the many is more important than liberty of the few right.

Pay into their hand give up and support loosing more freedom. Why because the same people pushing mandatory tax are the same that paid for and sent all the 3rd world all around the country to spread the very thing causing the issue. Along with cultural issues/clashes and the rest of the havoc that goes alond with it.

I mean beter ban x type of gun its for the greater good. If it just saves one life.

So let's let polio, small pox and TB vaccinations be optional.

The freedom that will give will be just peachy. Everyone will benefit from it. I mean it's stupid to want to prevent a disease in your population than it is to let it run its course.

There is no logical comparison of guns to diseases. A very weak argument. Bullet holes are not contagious and able to jump countries on a plane or crossing a border.

I personally like walking around in a country without fear of the general population having a third world disease. Guess I am silly considering how wonderful it is to be American. There are vaccinations that are useless in my opinion. But there are some that would be honestly embarrassing to me as an American to think they would become a problem again.

But let's stop what works and hope for the best or just watch as people get infected with very preventable diseases that we will have to treat with tax money and resources that could have been prevented with one shot. Makes all the sense in the world.

We can adjust without wasting more tax dollars.

I wonder if I will hear from the tax hawks about useless money being wasted on illegal immigrants due to preventable diseases? They will be treated by our medical system at mine and your cost if you are a tax payer. They will not be left in the streets to die and bloat. It will cost a lot more money that we don't have to treat rather than prevent.

But hey, it's all in the name of freedom, right? After all, freedom does have a cost. Even if it is your tax money going to treat some DA who wanted to be free and not get a TB vaccination. And I know from work how much man power is required to treat someone with TB. It is immense and very resource consuming.

FREEDIOM!!!!!

I didn't think you could look outside your limited box and mind set. Few can. If your family is vaxed and it works you have nothing to worry about. Tax money is bait and switch. Ship them out would.be the cheapest thing. They will be an expensive drain the entire time they are hear and be another multi generation welfare segment tahr breads like rabbits with 3rd world values and culture.

Oh yeah, you're the smart one.

Carry on.

Here is the length of time a health care professional will have to be physically involved in monitoring a person diagnosed with TB. Now multiply this out into an outbreak and consider TB is very contagious.

I better not hear anything out of you pf about wasted tax money. Apparently there is no correlation between wasted tax money and certain freedoms.

But like I said, freedom has a cost, right?

FREEDOM!!!

Post-exposure prophylaxis (PEP) for tuberculosis (TB) is crucial for preventing the disease after potential exposure. PEP is recommended for individuals who have been in close contact with someone diagnosed with active TB, especially if they are at higher risk for developing the disease.

Key Components of TB PEP
Assessment: Individuals exposed to TB should be evaluated for risk factors, including immunocompromised status or previous TB infection.
Testing: A tuberculin skin test (TST) or interferon-gamma release assay (IGRA) is performed to determine if the individual has been infected.
Treatment: If the test is positive and the individual is at risk, a course of isoniazid (INH) for 6 to 9 months is typically recommended to prevent the development of active TB.
Monitoring: Regular follow-ups are necessary to monitor for side effects and ensure adherence to the treatment regimen.

No bowhunter its not an im smarter than you thing at all. Just an observation about how your thought process is. I was also correct in how I though you would react and respond. one thing I am is not smart, lucky, dumb, blessed, ya i could agree to any of those. Smart absolutely not. Just Have the ability to learn from stupid mistakes.

Haha,

Your good but tainted Bowhunter27295, freedom is a choice,

we all lose freedoms every year, what this country was founded on.

I am not sure I understand your stance on vaccines, when you

promote RFK, maybe I miss read that.?

As for me and my family, it's kinda a no nonsense deal,

we are all military in some form and are used to being in 3rd

world countries, my families Vax index is far superior than most Americans

That is a mandate for servings or being a brat
.
That is the exception to the rule tho, and yes freedom is not free

Ever think about your freedom loss with the seat belt law ??

Not wearing one does not endanger your neighbor, just yourself.

Again it's a choice

You can go back and read where I stated some vaccines are stupid and need to be made completely optional. Some however are not and need to remain mandatory.

I am saying a compromise needs to be reached to be more sensible.

You however are saying no mandatory vaccines period.

Who's in what box?

To start with you stating vaccines are mandatory and so are starting off on a false pretense. There is not a single requirement for mandatory tax.

So you are infact wanting to demand other conform to your beliefs on what is good for everyone. Right or wrong is irrelevant on views if its good for everyone or not is irrelevant.

The fact is personal choice over what goes into one's body wins period. Ther is alway government creep and power grabing. Remember the attempts to make untessted and unapproved can't sue the manufacturer covid shots mandatory? Ya I knew several people thw gave in to pressure to take a shot they didn't want to keep their job. Several have heart issues not.

Sometime freedom means you have to stand up for others rights and freedoms even if you dont like what they are doing. Freedom is scary sometimes some time it can make you mad.

Sometime freedom means you have to stand up for others rights and freedoms even if you dont like what they are doing. Freedom is scary sometimes some time it can make you mad.


Exactly

I am and always have been 100% against the covid vaccine. When I heard how it was made I knew it was bupkis. The things that were done to create that vaccine were completely money driven and in no way safe. When it was legislated the drug companies could never be sued, I knew then it was gonna be a train wreck.

I am against the hep B vaccine for newborns. Totally uncalled for.

I am 100% in agreement with mandatory TB vaccine.

Do you not like how the system we have in place has kept us nearly disease free from things people in Europe and Asia and Africa die from daily? I am very thankful we had a system in place to prevent the serious diseases.

So if personal choice over what goes into one's body is a winning strategy and they choose not to get the TB vaccine, what if they get TB? Who wins then? I can promise you local, state or federal government will pay for treatments and physical monitoring for 6-9 months. If not government, it will be insurance that is paid for by the consumer. And if the person with TB does not adhere to the treatment in total, they will be incarcerated until the treatment is complete and they test negative.

I like the freedom of not having to worry about having to pay for someone else's stupidity. That is a cost of freedom.

Again, who is in what box?

And you want it to be mandatory?????????

And you want to pay for 6-9 months of mandatory post exposure treatment???????? You said this was the one you were worried about.

I know of ZERO vaccines that are 100% effective.

Have you had pre exposure rabies shots ?
Should they be mandated for trappers and ADC agents

Just wondering, you can give your wife and kids the virus

without the systems in yourself.

Just a thought is all, this whole vaccine thing is confusing

and interning, is there a vaccine for hystoplasmosis, should

Bat adc agents get it ?

Good conversation bowhunter27295, thanks

Well, if your dog is not vaccinated and gets exposed to an animal that is confirmed positive for Rabies, the dog is either held at a vets office in quarantine for 6 months at your expense or the dog is put down.

I ran the rabies program for Davidson county and cried with several people who just forgot to get their dog or cat vaccinated and had to surrender them to be put down, BY LAW.

Maybe we should put people down if they are exposed to TB or polio? Sure would make sense and save the tax payer a lot of money.

Rabies is transmitted by the saliva in the bite of an actively infected animal.

One should be able to discern the difference in what is a right and what is right. That's where both freedom and the cost of freedom occur. However I still believe it should be the individuals choice.

I don’t get why they can’t test for the amount of rabies vaccine left in the dog like they do for people. Most dogs that have been vaccinated and boosted are good for the rest of their lives. Yet they are required to get boosted every few years. $$$$ I’m guessing.

You evaded the question

As long as that freedom does not interfere with my freedoms or make the cost of my freedoms higher due to their stupidity, I agree.

Yes I am rabies vaccinated.

You are correct, once vaccinated, they are good for live just as humans

Government money deal is all

It's kind of like thinking making Fentanyl legal for freedoms sake is a good idea and does not interfere with any of my freedoms. I have watched people detox in an ER, get up and leave and have to pay nothing. It was not free, everyone knows that. But he should have the freedom to do it?

Everyone talks about let them rot or let them die and bloat. Well folks, that is not how our system works nor will it ever as long as we have hospitals and Hippocratic oaths. Someone will pay for that person with TB. Someone will pay for that junkie getting a "free" detox. Right now we all pay for these things that can be prevented or curtailed with simple acts and rules and guidelines.

But in the name of freedom, according to some, I have to pay for their right to be stupid.

Got it.

I would rather pay to prevent it. It's a whole lot cheaper.

But... vaccines aren't mandated now, Bowhunter. You keep saying you like the way our system works now. That would be without mandatory vaccines.

$5 for a rabies vaccine every three years at a rabies clinic.

That is $1.67/year. Pretty cheap if you ask me. Whole lot cheaper than titer testing for rabies efficacy after an exposure or putting a dog up at a vets office for 6 months.

While that's true, there have been and are some pretty strict consequences of choosing not to... i.e. not being able to enroll kids in school, getting fired from jobs, not being able to fly, etc.

Involuntary mandatory.

no what you want is to force your view onto others. You fail to see or at least adress simple facts and questions an keep repeating the same circle jerk.

So you ok with limited mandatory shots but only you can decide what's necessary. So how Would like it to have been 100% forced whan someone not you decided its mandatory to take that covid shots you were against.


That's the point you won't be who is making that call air will be someone like the last cdc guy.

Myself I will be on the side of personal choice. You will continue to wrap yourself in force people greater good.

That's great company you keep with that mind.set. Lots of famous people like that guy in Germany in the 30s and 40s.

Wrong !!!! The 5 dollar vaccines are yearly, not 3 years

Dang, you're right!! That makes it $5 per year. WAY more expensive!!

Bowhunter27295, you never answered the mandatory

question on rabies and hystoplasmosis, you miss the question ?

Oh wow, you just compared me to Hitler.

Gosh you just beat me. Everyone knows when you compare someone to Hitler, you just won the argument.

Carry on pf.

Some people want/need the government to protect them--and restrict others' freedoms. See Tman Karen's many loud posts this weekend pushing this philosophy, again.

Some of us don't want the government screwing with our guns, money, land, bodies, religion or autonomy in general. We also don't meddle in the lives of others. We believe freedom is inherently good.

If I choose to be vaccinated because of reliable science and because I'm not stupid, it's my choice. Same if I don't.

I worry about TB cause its getting more common. Like the covid shot its not very effective and has side effects.

Had my share this afternoon, it was cool, rainy, and windy

Tomorrow is a fishing day......thanks for the fun

Wow, I agree with you on this.

Ok.

While rabies is 100% fatal, it is not transmitted readily as I explained. It is only transmitted by actively rabid animal in the saliva from their bite. The rabies vaccine for domestic animals, when implemented correctly nearly 100% eliminates rabies transmission from domestics. I know of no domestic animal that was correctly vaccinated that was able to acquire rabies and transmit it to a human. Maybe it has happened and I am not aware of it. The rabies vaccine is for those who may come in direct contact with possible rabid animals. Usually bat guys are the ones at greatest risk and I would definitely strongly recommend they get vaccinated for themselves. But unless that person becomes rabid and bites me directly, I cannot get the rabies virus. Very, very, very low transmissibility from person to person. I have never heard of a rabies epidemic in humans. Again, I may be wrong.

Histo is a fungal disease of the lungs acquired when someone comes in contact with the mycotoxin and spores from Histoplasma capsulatum. Again, without getting into specifics, you have to be directly exposed to this fungus and it cannot be transmitted from person to person. If someone is in the vicinity of histo or works where they could be exposed to histo, then a strong recommendation could be made for that person to be vaccinated. I know of no histo epidemic in humans. Again, I may be wrong.

So there you go.

Gee, wonder why?

Coming from the jerk who specifically stated on here that if his employees did not get vaccinated for covid, he would make their lives a living heck and either fire them or make them want to quit.

You are a fool.

You were one of the most pro covid jab idiots on this forum when it was at it's height.

Sit down, counselor.

Just pointing out its the same though process Him the Russian and the Chinese among many other use.

And No you dont agree with Blain. He believes it an individuals choice, you very clearly would like to see what you approve of to be mandatory. Massive difference the 100% opposite infact. Clearly somehow lost to you like that you can't counter facts like your beliefs are tha same line pushed by the world's largest mass murders. That's not saying you are them just its the exact same Way they present the reasons they mandated things and used to get the general population to go along with it.

You can’t get out of a vet clinic for $5 period.

But it’s not just about the money. It’s an example of requiring something that in the vast majority of cases isn’t needed.

Back in earlier days, most domestics ran free. Sometimes in the woods they may have been exposed to a rabid animal. Hence the domestics were the link of rabies getting to humans as getting exposed to raccoons and fox and bats was rare. Petting fido or fluffy at the end of the day on the porch would be a common practice that had a higher possibility of transmission. Distemper and rabies look very similar and some people were exposed due to this and came down with "the Phobie".

Vaccinating domestics almost 100% completely eliminated the link of human transmission except from hunters and trappers who were exposed to these animal by choice.

We still have rabies clinics around here for $5/vaccination for 1 year shots. Then you can watch your vet and every now and again they will have in-house rabies vaccination sales.

Either way, it's dirt cheap as opposed to the alternative.

Now I am like Mao and Stalin. Wanting to murder millions.

Keep talking pf, please.

My dogs have always hunted and got rabies vaccine. It used to be cheap you could get it mail order. The vet assoc has successfully lobbied to end that along with antibiotics. Now what used to cost a buck or two starts as 50 bucks for the office call.

Bowhunter BR549 l was just thinking, yeah it’s like my last two brain cells collided. Kinda like a spark knock.
You got me thinking about the people who forced everyone to take the covid vaccines are the same ones who came up with Obozo Care
for people who could not afford health care. They then fined people who didn’t have it because they couldn’t afford Obozo Care!
They discharged members of the military who served with distinction because they refused to take other not knowing the long term results.

Well, when people would get them in the mail and set them on the counter for a week of put them on the dash of their truck, they rendered the shot useless. It has to be refrigerated at all times before use.

And no, 7-ways do not fall into the same category, as people don't get distemper.

I agree rabies vaccine is a great thing and should be required. Just not every year for a dogs life when vaccination and boosted the next year gives life long protection.

I miss you Leary. You gonna be at the rondy this month?

Oh...that reminds me....I got my rabies vaccine a couple years ago The CDC specifically lists trappers a a risk category so it was free though insurance.

Mine was paid for through my insurance also. Whole lot cheaper life-wise that way. But I had near zero potential of giving rabies to someone else. Not sure of side effects of the vaccine, but it beats the alternative.

Do you really need to start that again? Must be bored.

lol!! Just like banging the gong.

Tman Karen.

You will be held in contempt with one more comment counselor.

You were told to sit down.

Now sit down. You have no relevance here.

I see your being disingenuous becuse i dont think your thick enough you can't see the clear point of it's the same excuse and line of thinking they used. then again I have been wrong giving the benefit of the doubt before.

typical Of you to yet again avoid answering. How you would like or address being forced to take a.the covid shots and boosters as so many wanted to make the entire country. Trust the science don't put everyone at risk.

the thing is it won't be your personally approved list thats required to take. But keep on dancing around and avoid the question.

Man !!!!! What a post !!!!!! Think I will stick to Strictly Trapping for a while. ...................the (old fashioned) mike

Interesting. Didn't read through the whole thread... So someone doesn't get vaccinated and gets the illness then insurance shouldn't pay for treatment and lifelong issues should be paid for out of pocket and no disability. However there is no way that would be the case.

I didn't trust the science. I understood the science. It was wrong, from what I know and was told, from day one. I called BS as soon as it came out. Ask anyone.

And as far as what you think you know about the most common sense counselor on tman, ask him what I pointed out about covid and the jab on private message. Ask him what he said about his employees getting the jab. He's a lawyer and I will bet money he will not tell you the truth or will ignore you. Guaranteed. Everyone who has been here a while knows where he stood and what he typed as his opinion. I would be very careful who you hitch your horse to cause it might just drag you off a cliff.

Again and again, I have pointed out I am looking at the ability to individually look at each immunization. Just as RFK is wanting to do in making all the information available to whoever wants it. The success we have had scientifically with disease in America is nothing short of miraculous. However, you think we should change things to third world status. I get your cry of freedom, but like you and some of your cohorts have stated, freedom has a price. I totally agree with this statement, but my freedom is a freedom that is one to maintain the health standard this country enjoys. Yours and your cohorts will only make the country worse. Now you can argue freedom and I get that. But what freedom are you arguing?

Mao, Stalin and Hitler murdered millions of people as madmen in the name of power. This was their line of thinking.

Pasteur, Plotkin, Hilleman, Jenner and many others created vaccines that SAVED millions of lives. This was their line of thinking.

I hope you can see the difference. But I am sure you will come back with your William Wallace cry of freedom and think you are righteous and I am ok with murdering people. You may not think I am thick enough, but I definitely think you are dense.

And yet again, please, keep typing pf.

I believe science will tell you that everytime a virus replicates it degrades and becomes weaker. Not sure however about the man made ones like covid.

Truth

My Dad got Polio in 1944 lost almost all of his right side .Zero reason not to vaccinate for Polio, measles, mumps
tetanus

I just finished a short book titled Everything is Tuberculosis by John Green. Very interesting book. TB is very much with us today in 3rd world countries.

Im not saying one vac is good or that one is bad. Clearly some of the old ones have been amazing and positive effects. I see all your points.

Maybe im not clear on mine so I will try one more time with nothing added to clutter it up.

If x,y,z vax are mandatory and A,B,C optional it won't be you who picked what goes in each category or if a new one gets added to the mandatory category.

A large part of the country DID want the covid vax mandatory. It was clearly not effective and it didn't add up to anyone that looked. That won't stop it from being mandatory if the government says it needs to be if they can make vax mandatory.

So with your looking at it knowing yap no thanks not taking that. How will you like it when things you don't agree with become mandatory?

You have a valid point, But I guess those that had reactions and autism also have valid points.

The newer strains of COVID are weaker

With RFK in the seat I would definitely not be too worried about how safe a vaccine would be. Some vaccines that are now involuntary mandatory have some questions to answer. The only one bringing up these questions is RFK. He doesn't care what the Pharma industry is pushing. He wants to see the evidence. I have no doubt if a vaccine was effective and SAFE, he would continue to make it involuntary mandatory. If it is not safe, he will make them illegal.

And to answer your question, I have faith, at this moment, in RFK and knowing he will fight to make sure all vaccinations are effective and SAFE. It comes down to who is heading the DHHS and how bought and paid for they are. If some of the vaccinations are cleared under his leadership and are still involuntary mandatory, I will have no problem if any of my family gets that vaccine.

Just always know, there is not one vaccine that has not had an adverse reaction on someone. NOT ONE. This is because everyone's body chemistry is different. That is accepted science. There are also vaccines that were pushed into the population that were unsafe for a lot of people. Look at the original polio vaccine. It was a nightmare. Then it was adjusted and became very effective. Thank GOD for that as polio is a horrible and debilitating disease.

You all sure get wound up over a little hypothetical question.

I think they need a hobby or something.