Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 08:16 AM
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IF it is the REAL shooter. He has info. He needs to talk.
Also curious if it's the alphabet soup guy that was all over social media yesterday.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 08:18 AM
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Just watched Fox News that had Trump on as a guest just now. He stated they have the suspected shooter in custody. He was brought in by his pastor / family and surrendered to the Marshalls. Hopefully it is fact. Trying to avoid the chances of not making it to a cell.
-Goofy
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: DelawareRob]
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09/12/25 08:47 AM
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Hopefully they do, this would be the third time they have him.
No, it's the third time that they have had a person of interest in custody. A person of interest is not necessarily the suspect. Sometimes it's someone who they just think may be involved somehow or may have some information that could be useful, but not necessarily who they are actually looking for. Also sometimes in cases like this someone will step forward to claim responsibility but didn't actually do it. They absolutely have to take such people into custody for questioning.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 09:36 AM
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If the DNA matches and it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he was the shooter give him the death penalty. None of this death row stuff for the next 20 years.
Being old is when you don't care where your spouse goes, just a long as you don't have to go too.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Trapper7]
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09/12/25 09:50 AM
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If the DNA matches and it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he was the shooter give him the death penalty. None of this death row stuff for the next 20 years. Probably better the State handles the case to avoid political obstructions like the ones going on everyday now. Utah doesn’t play around it might be better if they deal with it they seemed eager to deal with it. Gary Gilmore comes to mind
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 10:36 AM
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WHAT, it is not Skye Valdez the individual already convicted online? lol The internet is wild and people's regurgitation of info is as wild.
Glad they got the guy, hope he is punished to full extent of the law,
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 10:53 AM
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Even the MSM is acting professional today none of the usual nonsense they keep spewing.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Law Dog]
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09/12/25 10:56 AM
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Even the MSM is acting professional today none of the usual nonsense they keep spewing. Is it possible they they finally learned that actions have consequences? I am not holding my breath, but maybe?
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: rvsask]
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WHAT, it is not Skye Valdez the individual already convicted online? lol The internet is wild and people's regurgitation of info is as wild.
Glad they got the guy, hope he is punished to full extent of the law, I know nothing about the Skye person but if he wrote songs about killing Kirk or other individuals hes got blood on his hands.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Law Dog]
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09/12/25 11:04 AM
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Even the MSM is acting professional today none of the usual nonsense they keep spewing. Oh, I’m sure it’s short lived. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.
Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!
Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: DelawareRob]
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09/12/25 11:26 AM
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Even the MSM is acting professional today none of the usual nonsense they keep spewing. Oh, I’m sure it’s short lived. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day. Even Gayle King did not complain about too many white people being involved I was shocked. I’d bet a lot of lips were bitten from them acting professionally.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Pete in Frbks]
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09/12/25 11:40 AM
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Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.
Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.
Pete AMEN to that!
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 11:44 AM
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Hey Fascist, catch!
This was written on the casing. Sounds like a word the Democrats and media use regularly.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Pete in Frbks]
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Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.
Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.
Pete That needs to be a meme. Well said!
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
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09/12/25 01:45 PM
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Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.
Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.
Pete That needs to be a meme. Well said! YES!
And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement!
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 02:30 PM
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I didn't see it when he jumped from the roof, surely we'd have seen it then!?!
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 02:45 PM
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Didn't see it when he run from there either
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Pete in Frbks]
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09/12/25 02:51 PM
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Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.
Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.
Pete I’m stealing this.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 02:59 PM
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I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time,
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
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09/12/25 03:02 PM
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Maybe, I still don't see it but this kindle isn't very good foe videos.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Law Dog]
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I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time, Then there would be no videos of him walking around stiff legged with a limp due to the rifle being shown his pant leg . We know the shooter is not a rocket scientist ut why not just leave it on the roof if going g to ditch it anyway. It will be interesting to see what come out and how our individual theories pan out.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 03:10 PM
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Is no one worried about all the riots the far right will do, that's as bad as the far left according to some?
All the campuses taken over, police cars torched, closing roads and looting businesses like the lefties do?
Or are those that claim the far right is as bad full of it?
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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I don't doubt he took it with him, it got to the woods. I just don't see it like I thought I should.
There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
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I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time, Then there would be no videos of him walking around stiff legged with a limp due to the rifle being shown his pant leg . We know the shooter is not a rocket scientist ut why not just leave it on the roof if going g to ditch it anyway. It will be interesting to see what come out and how our individual theories pan out. You don’t think the barrel would do the same thing in his pants? Thenexplain how he ran away with no rifle in his hands.
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
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09/12/25 04:37 PM
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Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.
Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.
Pete That needs to be a meme. Well said! Already is. https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ByszDvmqC/
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
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I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time, Then there would be no videos of him walking around stiff legged with a limp due to the rifle being shown his pant leg . We know the shooter is not a rocket scientist ut why not just leave it on the roof if going g to ditch it anyway. It will be interesting to see what come out and how our individual theories pan out. I heard reporting that he had messaged a friend something about retrieving the rifle. It was just a small blurb in the whole press conference but I caught it. Makes me think he had plans to make it disappear as evidence. A pretty dumb move if you ask me.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
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I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time, Then there would be no videos of him walking around stiff legged with a limp due to the rifle being shown his pant leg . We know the shooter is not a rocket scientist ut why not just leave it on the roof if going g to ditch it anyway. It will be interesting to see what come out and how our individual theories pan out. The barrel and action would impact the leg like that so where was the stock if it was still attached to the action?
Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Providence Farm]
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Yes law dog it would. But he was not limping and awkward on his exit across the roof or his drop from it or across the grass. So safe to assume it was not down his pants. You said broke down and in his pack. If it would fit in his pack what not bring it in in the pack instead of the uncomfortable awkward walk in with it down his pants? So in the pack makes no sense either. I didn't see a gun in his hands in the clips I watched so questioned how the invisible gun made it from roof to woods. I didn't watch yot traps link she says its visible in his hands but will take her word for it that it was in his hand at least on the roof.
Why are you comming off so defensive. Must have something to prove i guess. Man your thick so where was that gun at then when he RAN AWAY is my point it’s probably in the bag how could a full rifle not be visible and he’s not limping is my question.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Law Dog]
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Yes law dog it would. But he was not limping and awkward on his exit across the roof or his drop from it or across the grass. So safe to assume it was not down his pants. You said broke down and in his pack. If it would fit in his pack what not bring it in in the pack instead of the uncomfortable awkward walk in with it down his pants? So in the pack makes no sense either. I didn't see a gun in his hands in the clips I watched so questioned how the invisible gun made it from roof to woods. I didn't watch yot traps link she says its visible in his hands but will take her word for it that it was in his hand at least on the roof.
Why are you comming off so defensive. Must have something to prove i guess. Man your thick so where was that gun at then when he RAN AWAY is my point it’s probably in the bag how could a full rifle not be visible and he’s not limping is my question. Ok and back to being thick. If it would fit in the pack why walk in with it down his pants and not in the bag to begain with. . What to keep dancing in a circle.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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I think you guys are trying to hard to spot a rifle barrel. He had the thing wrapped in a dark colored towel. You can see it on the roof, and you can see it when he lands. When he runs off, he is most likely holding it close to and inline with his body so as not to be obvious. He's running away trying not to be seen, or have the gun seen... not charging into battle with drawn gun.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Pete in Frbks]
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Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.
Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.
Pete Thanks Pete. You just put the thought in my head into words. You should write a book or something….lol I have to remember this.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
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I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf" I would bet less than 5% of the whole population legally carry a firearm. So if you believe it's like the wild wild West from what you read it here, your info is wrong. Some people are just prepared but never really in danger. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Mac86]
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I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf" The worst question to ever ask yourself is "what could I have done?" after a tragedy and you did nothing because you couldnt because you left your gun at home. That question will eat at you for years. Mass shootings happen because most of them target places where you cant carry or amongst people that arent usually armed.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
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I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf" The worst question to ever ask yourself is "what could I have done?" after a tragedy and you did nothing because you couldnt because you left your gun at home. That question will eat at you for years. Mass shootings happen because most of them target places where you cant carry or amongst people that arent usually armed. The thing is, the law doesn't protect the average person. Using a firearm is a big deal. Use it, even to protect yourself legally, most likely involves getting arrested first and going through the process to prove your innocence. Very costly and very stressful. Many times not fair. It's a trade off I guess
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Mac86]
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F I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf" First of all, open carry for self defence in public areas is stupid. The bad guy will pick you off first. Secondly, Most of the "mass shootings" take place in gun free zones, like college campuses for example. Personally, I "praise the fact that I can carry concealed". States which allow concealed carry have lower crime rates because the criminals know it and can't tell if you are an easy mark or not. There are many cases where a mass murderer was stopped by a concealed carry citizen. Without those people, they would have had to dispatch many more ambulances or hearsts. (Sling blade reference for ya.)
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: 52Carl]
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First of all, open carry for self defence in public areas is stupid. The bad guy will pick you off first. Secondly, Most of the "mass shootings" take place in gun free zones, like college campuses for example. Personally, I "praise the fact that I can carry concealed". States which allow concealed carry have lower crime rates because the criminals know it and can't tell if you are an easy mark or not. There are many cases where a mass murderer was stopped by a concealed carry citizen. Without those people, they would have had to dispatch many more ambulances or hearsts. (Sling blade reference for ya.)
Okay, Fudd. Not if you see the bad guy first, you forget the head up and on a swivel part. I'm quite sure that I've deterred more than a few by seeing and letting them know that they are seen well in advance. But then again I can't be sure because they were probably hiding their guns. My philosphy that I learned years ago working uniformed security in some pretty rough parts of town is be the hard target, carry yourself as the hard target and trouble tends to pick an easier target. But you go ahead with your mouse impression.
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I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf" Part of the problem is you don't hear much about when criminals are stopped by armed citizens because it doesn't fit the Media's is narrative, so it's not reported. I don't know if they still do it but NRA magazine used to publish these exact scenarios every month and could fill a couple pages with them. Ol dad
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: warrior]
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09/12/25 10:07 PM
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First of all, open carry for self defence in public areas is stupid. The bad guy will pick you off first. Secondly, Most of the "mass shootings" take place in gun free zones, like college campuses for example. Personally, I "praise the fact that I can carry concealed". States which allow concealed carry have lower crime rates because the criminals know it and can't tell if you are an easy mark or not. There are many cases where a mass murderer was stopped by a concealed carry citizen. Without those people, they would have had to dispatch many more ambulances or hearsts. (Sling blade reference for ya.)
Okay, Fudd. Not if you see the bad guy first, you forget the head up and on a swivel part. I'm quite sure that I've deterred more than a few by seeing and letting them know that they are seen well in advance. But then again I can't be sure because they were probably hiding their guns. My philosphy that I learned years ago working uniformed security in some pretty rough parts of town is be the hard target, carry yourself as the hard target and trouble tends to pick an easier target. But you go ahead with your mouse impression. And thats why so many cops get killed with their own guns. Even with double retention holsters.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Mac86]
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09/12/25 10:25 PM
09/12/25 10:25 PM
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barton county kansas
Sasquatch91
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I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf" Heres the thing, crime is everywhere, australia and the UK have a very strict gun policy yet people get stabbed and killed every year, noone makes a big deal about it. When you are the greatest xountry in the world people hate that and will say they have to many issues. If guns were a problem you would know. Look up the number of guns vs population. I do carry a gun everyday i can, not because im scared of a mass shooter or getting killed. I carry a gun because it can save a life or multiple if needed.
Last edited by Sasquatch91; 09/12/25 10:27 PM.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody
[Re: Bob Jameson]
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09/12/25 11:35 PM
09/12/25 11:35 PM
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Georgia
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Okay, Fudd.
Not if you see the bad guy first, you forget the head up and on a swivel part. I'm quite sure that I've deterred more than a few by seeing and letting them know that they are seen well in advance. But then again I can't be sure because they were probably hiding their guns.
My philosphy that I learned years ago working uniformed security in some pretty rough parts of town is be the hard target, carry yourself as the hard target and trouble tends to pick an easier target. But you go ahead with your mouse impression.
And thats why so many cops get killed with their own guns. Even with double retention holsters. No, cops get killed because they have to go hands on. We civilians are under zero obligation to go hands on and walking away is a perfectly good option. I think any reasonable tactician would agree that distance is always your best asset and seeing trouble while at distance is the best way to avoid it. Open or concealed matters not, or totally unarmed for that matter, if you can avoid trouble. I would agree that hanging iron out in the open and walking around with blinders on is a recipe for disaster but it also is even if you hide the iron.
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