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The Kirk Shooter in Custody #8467810
09/12/25 08:11 AM
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Just watched Fox News that had Trump on as a guest just now. He stated they have the suspected shooter in custody. He was brought in by his pastor / family and surrendered to the Marshalls. Hopefully it is fact.

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467813
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Hopefully they do, this would be the third time they have him.


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467815
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IF it is the REAL shooter. He has info. He needs to talk.

Also curious if it's the alphabet soup guy that was all over social media yesterday.

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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467816
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Originally Posted by Bob Jameson
Just watched Fox News that had Trump on as a guest just now. He stated they have the suspected shooter in custody. He was brought in by his pastor / family and surrendered to the Marshalls. Hopefully it is fact.


Trying to avoid the chances of not making it to a cell.


-Goofy
Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467819
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A friend just sent me this. I don't know if there's any truth to it.

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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467823
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Skye Valadez is a transgender musician (she/her) in her early 20s from Ogden, Utah. She's associated with the band God's Finest Scalpel and has a SoundCloud album "Death to American Scum" with tracks like "Charlie Kirk Dead at 31," released months ago, featuring anti-conservative themes.

Online speculation links her to the recent Charlie Kirk shooting due to song lyrics, physical resemblance to FBI's person of interest, and proximity, but the FBI hasn't named any suspects officially. Details remain unconfirmed.


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This place is getting more like Facebook every day.

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467837
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Hope he is the the one. Now if it is do Charlie justice.

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: DelawareRob] #8467838
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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
Hopefully they do, this would be the third time they have him.





No, it's the third time that they have had a person of interest in custody. A person of interest is not necessarily the suspect. Sometimes it's someone who they just think may be involved somehow or may have some information that could be useful, but not necessarily who they are actually looking for. Also sometimes in cases like this someone will step forward to claim responsibility but didn't actually do it. They absolutely have to take such people into custody for questioning.

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467839
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Oh I know.

I was just being a little cynical.


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467855
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Justice for Charlie!


What"s good for me may not be good for the weak minded.
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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467857
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Some 22 year old dude named Tyler Robinson.

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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467860
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Light him up!


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467862
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If the DNA matches and it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he was the shooter give him the death penalty. None of this death row stuff for the next 20 years.


Being old is when you don't care where your spouse goes, just a long as you don't have to go too.
Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Trapper7] #8467873
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Originally Posted by Trapper7
If the DNA matches and it's proven beyond a shadow of a doubt he was the shooter give him the death penalty. None of this death row stuff for the next 20 years.


Probably better the State handles the case to avoid political obstructions like the ones going on everyday now. Utah doesn’t play around it might be better if they deal with it they seemed eager to deal with it. Gary Gilmore comes to mind


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
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And absolutely NO plea deals.

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467903
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WHAT, it is not Skye Valdez the individual already convicted online? lol The internet is wild and people's regurgitation of info is as wild.

Glad they got the guy, hope he is punished to full extent of the law,

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Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467916
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Even the MSM is acting professional today none of the usual nonsense they keep spewing.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Even the MSM is acting professional today none of the usual nonsense they keep spewing.


Is it possible they they finally learned that actions have consequences? I am not holding my breath, but maybe?

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: rvsask] #8467921
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Originally Posted by rvsask
WHAT, it is not Skye Valdez the individual already convicted online? lol The internet is wild and people's regurgitation of info is as wild.

Glad they got the guy, hope he is punished to full extent of the law,

I know nothing about the Skye person but if he wrote songs about killing Kirk or other individuals hes got blood on his hands.

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Law Dog] #8467922
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Even the MSM is acting professional today none of the usual nonsense they keep spewing.

Oh, I’m sure it’s short lived. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.


Stop over cooking your meat! It isn’t gamey, it’s over cooked!

Gordon Ramsey, maybe…
Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: DelawareRob] #8467930
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Originally Posted by DelawareRob
Originally Posted by Law Dog
Even the MSM is acting professional today none of the usual nonsense they keep spewing.

Oh, I’m sure it’s short lived. Even a broken clock is correct twice a day.



Even Gayle King did not complain about too many white people being involved I was shocked. I’d bet a lot of lips were bitten from them acting professionally.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8467940
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Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.

Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.

Pete

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Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks
Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.

Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.

Pete

AMEN to that!

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Hey Fascist, catch!

This was written on the casing. Sounds like a word the Democrats and media use regularly.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Pete in Frbks] #8467989
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Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks
Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.

Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.

Pete

That needs to be a meme. Well said!

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Did anyone see a rifle when he jumped off the roof ? This is the guy but maybe I didn’t see it

Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Jkeith] #8467996
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Originally Posted by Jkeith
Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks
Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.

Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.

Pete

That needs to be a meme. Well said!

YES!


And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement!
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I didn't see a rifle either, but the video was grainy, rifle was alleged to have been wrapped in a towel, so,.. maybe....?

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I didn't see it when he jumped from the roof, surely we'd have seen it then!?!


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Maybe he threw it off the roof before jumping.?


-Goofy
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Didn't see it when he run from there either


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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[video:youtube]https://www.the-sun.com/news/15170803/cctv-charlie-kirk-sniper/[/video]

Better at hiding one than I could.

But! Anything's possible


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Pete in Frbks] #8468023
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Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks
Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.

Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.

Pete


I’m stealing this.

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Watch this video closely. You can see it. It's already wrapped in a black towel. Just before he jumps, you can see him set the towel wrapped gun on the edge of the roof, to his left. You can not see it as he is jumping, but once he lands... you can see him fumble with it.

https://www.fox19.com/2025/09/12/fb...of-run-away-after-charlie-kirk-shooting/


Proudly banned from the NTA.

Bother me tomorrow. Today I'll buy no sorrows.
Re: The Kirk Shooter in Custody [Re: Bob Jameson] #8468026
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I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time,


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
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Maybe, I still don't see it but this kindle isn't very good foe videos.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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Originally Posted by Law Dog
I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time,



Then there would be no videos of him walking around stiff legged with a limp due to the rifle being shown his pant leg . We know the shooter is not a rocket scientist ut why not just leave it on the roof if going g to ditch it anyway.

It will be interesting to see what come out and how our individual theories pan out.

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Is no one worried about all the riots the far right will do, that's as bad as the far left according to some?

All the campuses taken over, police cars torched, closing roads and looting businesses like the lefties do?

Or are those that claim the far right is as bad full of it?


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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I don't doubt he took it with him, it got to the woods. I just don't see it like I thought I should.


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
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The puke of the day. Will rot in prison on our dime!!!!!!

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Glad they caught the piece of scum . I just hope justice is served quickly

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Law Dog
I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time,



Then there would be no videos of him walking around stiff legged with a limp due to the rifle being shown his pant leg . We know the shooter is not a rocket scientist ut why not just leave it on the roof if going g to ditch it anyway.

It will be interesting to see what come out and how our individual theories pan out.


You don’t think the barrel would do the same thing in his pants? Thenexplain how he ran away with no rifle in his hands.


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
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Originally Posted by Jkeith
Originally Posted by Pete in Frbks
Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.

Leftists insist guns are for killing people, because that’s how they use them.

Pete

That needs to be a meme. Well said!


Already is.

https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1ByszDvmqC/


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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Law Dog
I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time,



Then there would be no videos of him walking around stiff legged with a limp due to the rifle being shown his pant leg . We know the shooter is not a rocket scientist ut why not just leave it on the roof if going g to ditch it anyway.

It will be interesting to see what come out and how our individual theories pan out.


I heard reporting that he had messaged a friend something about retrieving the rifle. It was just a small blurb in the whole press conference but I caught it. Makes me think he had plans to make it disappear as evidence. A pretty dumb move if you ask me.


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Yes law dog it would. But he was not limping and awkward on his exit across the roof or his drop from it or across the grass. So safe to assume it was not down his pants. You said broke down and in his pack. If it would fit in his pack what not bring it in in the pack instead of the uncomfortable awkward walk in with it down his pants? So in the pack makes no sense either. I didn't see a gun in his hands in the clips I watched so questioned how the invisible gun made it from roof to woods. I didn't watch yot traps link she says its visible in his hands but will take her word for it that it was in his hand at least on the roof.

Why are you comming off so defensive. Must have something to prove i guess.

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Looked to me as if it was wrapped in a blanket of some sorts. Angela's video showed the wrapped object. Must have lost something, maybe cartridges, when he jumped. Whatever it was he picked it up and the blanket wrapped object and ran.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Originally Posted by Law Dog
I believe he made it so the rifle broke down to fit in his bag a screwdriver was mentioned at one time,



Then there would be no videos of him walking around stiff legged with a limp due to the rifle being shown his pant leg . We know the shooter is not a rocket scientist ut why not just leave it on the roof if going g to ditch it anyway.

It will be interesting to see what come out and how our individual theories pan out.



The barrel and action would impact the leg like that so where was the stock if it was still attached to the action?


Was born in a Big City Will die in the Country OK with that!

Jerry Herbst
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Yes law dog it would. But he was not limping and awkward on his exit across the roof or his drop from it or across the grass. So safe to assume it was not down his pants. You said broke down and in his pack. If it would fit in his pack what not bring it in in the pack instead of the uncomfortable awkward walk in with it down his pants? So in the pack makes no sense either. I didn't see a gun in his hands in the clips I watched so questioned how the invisible gun made it from roof to woods. I didn't watch yot traps link she says its visible in his hands but will take her word for it that it was in his hand at least on the roof.

Why are you comming off so defensive. Must have something to prove i guess.


Man your thick so where was that gun at then when he RAN AWAY is my point it’s probably in the bag how could a full rifle not be visible and he’s not limping is my question.

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Originally Posted by Law Dog
Originally Posted by Providence Farm
Yes law dog it would. But he was not limping and awkward on his exit across the roof or his drop from it or across the grass. So safe to assume it was not down his pants. You said broke down and in his pack. If it would fit in his pack what not bring it in in the pack instead of the uncomfortable awkward walk in with it down his pants? So in the pack makes no sense either. I didn't see a gun in his hands in the clips I watched so questioned how the invisible gun made it from roof to woods. I didn't watch yot traps link she says its visible in his hands but will take her word for it that it was in his hand at least on the roof.

Why are you comming off so defensive. Must have something to prove i guess.


Man your thick so where was that gun at then when he RAN AWAY is my point it’s probably in the bag how could a full rifle not be visible and he’s not limping is my question.



Ok and back to being thick. If it would fit in the pack why walk in with it down his pants and not in the bag to begain with. . What to keep dancing in a circle.

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I think he took the gun apart after the shot. He didn’t take it apart before hand because he knew it would loose zero. Kid grew up around guns and has probably fired more rounds down range than most.

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I think you guys are trying to hard to spot a rifle barrel. He had the thing wrapped in a dark colored towel. You can see it on the roof, and you can see it when he lands. When he runs off, he is most likely holding it close to and inline with his body so as not to be obvious. He's running away trying not to be seen, or have the gun seen... not charging into battle with drawn gun.


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Conservatives argue guns are for hunting, self-defense, national defense, because that’s how they use them.

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I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf"

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Originally Posted by Mac86
I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf"

I would bet less than 5% of the whole population legally carry a firearm. So if you believe it's like the wild wild West from what you read it here, your info is wrong. Some people are just prepared but never really in danger. Better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.

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Originally Posted by Mac86
I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf"



The worst question to ever ask yourself is "what could I have done?" after a tragedy and you did nothing because you couldnt because you left your gun at home. That question will eat at you for years.

Mass shootings happen because most of them target places where you cant carry or amongst people that arent usually armed.

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Originally Posted by SNIPERBBB
Originally Posted by Mac86
I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf"



The worst question to ever ask yourself is "what could I have done?" after a tragedy and you did nothing because you couldnt because you left your gun at home. That question will eat at you for years.

Mass shootings happen because most of them target places where you cant carry or amongst people that arent usually armed.

The thing is, the law doesn't protect the average person. Using a firearm is a big deal. Use it, even to protect yourself legally, most likely involves getting arrested first and going through the process to prove your innocence. Very costly and very stressful. Many times not fair. It's a trade off I guess

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Originally Posted by Mac86
I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf"

First of all, open carry for self defence in public areas is stupid. The bad guy will pick you off first.
Secondly, Most of the "mass shootings" take place in gun free zones, like college campuses for example.
Personally, I "praise the fact that I can carry concealed".
States which allow concealed carry have lower crime rates because the criminals know it and can't tell if you are an easy mark or not.
There are many cases where a mass murderer was stopped by a concealed carry citizen. Without those people, they would have had to dispatch many more ambulances or hearsts. (Sling blade reference for ya.)

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Originally Posted by 52Carl

First of all, open carry for self defence in public areas is stupid. The bad guy will pick you off first.
Secondly, Most of the "mass shootings" take place in gun free zones, like college campuses for example.
Personally, I "praise the fact that I can carry concealed".
States which allow concealed carry have lower crime rates because the criminals know it and can't tell if you are an easy mark or not.
There are many cases where a mass murderer was stopped by a concealed carry citizen. Without those people, they would have had to dispatch many more ambulances or hearsts. (Sling blade reference for ya.)


Okay, Fudd.

Not if you see the bad guy first, you forget the head up and on a swivel part. I'm quite sure that I've deterred more than a few by seeing and letting them know that they are seen well in advance. But then again I can't be sure because they were probably hiding their guns.

My philosphy that I learned years ago working uniformed security in some pretty rough parts of town is be the hard target, carry yourself as the hard target and trouble tends to pick an easier target. But you go ahead with your mouse impression.


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So, it's like everything else in the world when something out of the ordinary happens? What could I have done? Treating yourself as the victim to bring pity to oneself to get your mind off the factual event that happened out of the ordinary?

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Originally Posted by Mac86
I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf"


Part of the problem is you don't hear much about when criminals are stopped by armed citizens because it doesn't fit the Media's is narrative, so it's not reported. I don't know if they still do it but NRA magazine used to publish these exact scenarios every month and could fill a couple pages with them.

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Originally Posted by warrior
Originally Posted by 52Carl

First of all, open carry for self defence in public areas is stupid. The bad guy will pick you off first.
Secondly, Most of the "mass shootings" take place in gun free zones, like college campuses for example.
Personally, I "praise the fact that I can carry concealed".
States which allow concealed carry have lower crime rates because the criminals know it and can't tell if you are an easy mark or not.
There are many cases where a mass murderer was stopped by a concealed carry citizen. Without those people, they would have had to dispatch many more ambulances or hearsts. (Sling blade reference for ya.)


Okay, Fudd.

Not if you see the bad guy first, you forget the head up and on a swivel part. I'm quite sure that I've deterred more than a few by seeing and letting them know that they are seen well in advance. But then again I can't be sure because they were probably hiding their guns.

My philosphy that I learned years ago working uniformed security in some pretty rough parts of town is be the hard target, carry yourself as the hard target and trouble tends to pick an easier target. But you go ahead with your mouse impression.


And thats why so many cops get killed with their own guns. Even with double retention holsters.

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Originally Posted by Mac86
I'm from Ontario Canada, rural country. Everybody and their grandparents have firearms in their house/shed or barn, MOST ARE registered, some might not be(who knows). My question is: In a country like USA where people praise the fact they can "open carry" .. why are there so many mass shootings?? Am I missing something here? I hear a lot of folks here (trapperman). "won't leave the house without the gun on my belt for protection" is it that bad in the States that you actually feel naked without your firearm by your side in public ? BTW, I am totally all for open carry and protecting what's yours... I'm just curious to know if it's that bad that Americans feel the need to carry at all times incase "shtf"

Heres the thing, crime is everywhere, australia and the UK have a very strict gun policy yet people get stabbed and killed every year, noone makes a big deal about it. When you are the greatest xountry in the world people hate that and will say they have to many issues. If guns were a problem you would know. Look up the number of guns vs population. I do carry a gun everyday i can, not because im scared of a mass shooter or getting killed. I carry a gun because it can save a life or multiple if needed.

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Originally Posted by Providence Farm
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Okay, Fudd.

Not if you see the bad guy first, you forget the head up and on a swivel part. I'm quite sure that I've deterred more than a few by seeing and letting them know that they are seen well in advance. But then again I can't be sure because they were probably hiding their guns.

My philosphy that I learned years ago working uniformed security in some pretty rough parts of town is be the hard target, carry yourself as the hard target and trouble tends to pick an easier target. But you go ahead with your mouse impression.


And thats why so many cops get killed with their own guns. Even with double retention holsters.


No, cops get killed because they have to go hands on. We civilians are under zero obligation to go hands on and walking away is a perfectly good option.

I think any reasonable tactician would agree that distance is always your best asset and seeing trouble while at distance is the best way to avoid it.

Open or concealed matters not, or totally unarmed for that matter, if you can avoid trouble.

I would agree that hanging iron out in the open and walking around with blinders on is a recipe for disaster but it also is even if you hide the iron.


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