… don’t talk about it … be about it

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There's nothing wrong with singing praise to the Lord. You guys don't like gospel music?

TBH, I didn’t even look at the link he posted. It’s Vinke, it is usually nonsense.


I personally like some gospel music and I realize I shouldn’t assume he is just a crazy old coot.

Ok I'm confused , when you jump off a cliff do you meet Jesus or got to Hades ?

I seem to have been told , you can't jump or it's hades but that might just be mans lie to keep you here and paying taxes.

…. Nobody said we didn’t

… could even be interpreted as don’t talk about gospel… be about it

… now what do you have to say ?

…. Vinke doesn’t think very well

… just let it be

Dave's a Cool guy

Seems like there is some dissent among christians if suicide is a one way ticket to hades or not. I figure thats why suicide among christians is not epidemic. I am unaware of any scripture that says it but a preacher told me once suicide is a murder of oneself. That same preacher once told me though that even a white lie was the same as murder in gods eyes. Religion is very confusing.

Maybe true believers fight to stay alive cause they worry about loved ones they leave behind?

I dont understand why christian funerals are such sad affairs instead of rejoicing.

All talk and no show! Lol

because people are still very sad they lost the person they loved.

they are comforted by a belief of an afterlife , or it would be even worse.

even if the person who died is in heaven and all is perfect the person here is still very lonely and sad.

Truth^^^

I agree. Physical separation is hard.

I hope he uses a bungee cord.

I was always told its a one way ticket but never looked into it myself. Not going to affect me becues im not going to do it. Maybe if I get terminal and in a lot of pain I would look into it.

Depends on the funeral. Some are sad becuse we no longer have that person and will miss them. sad four us BUT happy and rejoice for them. Last service I went to was for my Friend Michael. he knew deat was coming for months from cancer he was 3 years younger than I am and had a wife, daughter my oldest sons age and 3 younger boys. You bet your hind end the kids and wife are sad and want their husband and dad to wake up
But they know he is no longer in pain Is wit his creator and they will see him again.

We are sad for our own self reasons. And happy and rejoice at the same time.


I have jumped off a cliff a few time directly into the deep water below. I recommend waiting untill later in the year not very early spring when the water is still cold.

When enough people that a believer cares about are non-believers, it gets hard to remain a believer. Hard to worship a god that would send wonderful people to a lake of fire just for a lack of faith.

…I wonder if he really did jump off a cliff?


… vinke if you can read this please respond

… I’ve provided a link to hooked on phonics below


https://www.google.com/aclk?sa=L&am...KEwjkx_Wq-u-PAxU4kmoFHfs3Ka4Q0Qx6BAgJEAE

I don't understand your thoughts yotetrapper. I know yo believe in consequences for actions, why would belief vs. unbelief be any different.
Danny my bible says there is only one unpardonable sin and suicide isn't it.

.. not to speak for yote but there are good people that have to experience things in real life in order to believe… there are those that simply can’t just resign themselves to blind faith

…. The Levantine scriptures say those types are to be burned for eternity

… even though they were created that way by an omnipotent God

Although God knows the final outcome because He is omniscient. He provides plenty of opportunity in a lifetime for us to choose. We're not omniscient , with the exception of the white female liberal, so we have no excuse for rejecting the Almighty and the consequences that come with it.

Because I do not believe that the action of non-belief should be punished by eternal damnation.

Many such people are simply unwilling to surrender their will to a power greater than themselves. One close family member drank himself to death in despair because he couldn't control everything.

Some, sure. But some are the best people you'll ever meet....... much better people than many so-called Christians. One of them is on this post!

The person I'm talking about was one of the most generous people I've ever known, but he couldn't let go of things that didn't go his way.

I hope he's in heaven. It's like God reached down and took him.

… why did God created him that way do you think ?

Wouldn't that make you God? I didn't write the rule book I just believe in to be true.

…. But the sand people wrote that book … my ancestors believed in their own gods

… how do we know who was right?

I guess you can see it that way if you want. Guess what I am saying is... if the Bible is the Gospel... and God will send people to eternal suffering just because they do not believe in him, then I don't believe that is a God I wish to worship. One of his own disciples didn't believe in Jesus' resurrection until he touched the nail holes in his hands. I guess if Jesus had not came back to his disciples in visible form, Thomas would also be burning in hades too??

The Apostles who walked with Jesus continued to spread His message and almost all of them gave their lives (willingly) for their beliefs.

…. Plenty of self sacrifice in other religions as well though

Separation from God Is being in (This word is unacceptable on Trapperman) by itself. Like streets of gold I believe it may be a metaphor. It was just pointing out wht you think is valuable on earth will not be valuable in heaven. So the despair of being Separated from God could be worse than being in a lake of fire. But im no biblical scholar.


The world was perfect untill sin entered and crupted it. Its all part of free will. Believe or don't its your choice. I also question the who gets chosen to have their hearts and minds opened and who gets turned over to reprobate mind.

But I didn't make the rules. I just kep trying to not break them and failing and I keep trying to do better . Good news is I'm forgiving. Not becuse I earned it or by being a good person Im not. No amount of works will be enough. Its only because I have chosen to accept the freely given gift of Christ sacrifice by believing in him his perfectly lived life and he was beaten, humiliated, Nailed to a cross suffered and died rising on the 3rd day,, paying the penalty for the sins of those that choose to accept him.

… who made sin ?

I
see the problem. You think some people are better than other people. Nope, that's just perception, in reality, we all suck.

PaSkinner, if you think Billy Graham and Jeffrey Dahmer are on the same level, then I cannot even carry on this conversation with you.

Which one was better? Because Billy would agree with me.
Degrees of sin are just our finite human perception faking us out.

…. If dahmer had you hemmed in closet … would you turn the other cheek?

Man did. God just made a rule.

… god made man knowing he would sin then ?

… like putting a steak in front of a puppy… saying no ….then lighting it on fire when it inevitably eats it

I think you misunderstand the concept.


The core message is to refrain from taking personal revenge or seeking to get even.
A Counter-Cultural Act: In first-century culture, a slap was a public dishonoring intended to belittle someone's honor. By turning the other cheek, Jesus challenged this focus on personal honor and the pursuit of worldly justice ..it's about not flipping out over insults. Not about self defense in the case of real aggression.

…. Just making sure you weren’t open to it

You shopping for a new friend? Sounds that way, maybe that saying about Texas has some truth to it steers and ...... Kidding of course but you walked right into it.

What if the puppy was told, and it could actually understand, it would be lit on fire if it ate it? Puppy wouldn't eat it. Dogs are smarter than that.

…. You want to go camping?

… an omnipotent God would know the results… he is all powerful and all knowing… so he created all the bad things in the world knowing full well the pain, suffering and chaos that would ensue

.. a sadist at the very least

All part of free will. I understand your stance have had those thoughts along my journey at different points also . I can't rember or articulate what or how I over came them or what the answers were unfortunately. Memory problems were bad enough after the head injurys, but MS is taking it to a new level at times

… the free will thing doesn’t work… as an all knowing God would know who chooses and who does not and they were created to do such … I think he just likes to torture things he created

Is love even possible without free will?

For me personally, the battles I deal with daily now are for the most part by my own doing. By living a life that was not virtuous, but rather benefited me. I was/am a real selfish POS.

I hear folks all the time say they wouldn't change a thing about their lives; boy would I. I did a lot of stupid ignorant stuff and said a lot of hateful and hurtful things to people that loved me the most. Had I chance to do it over again; I would. Driving nails into people hurts and leaves a mark; but it will heal eventually.....but there is always a scar, and those scars is what you have to deal with as the days turn into years.

Whatever Vinke is going through I wish him the best and am praying for him.

Ummmmmm,,,, thought we would have more contemporary Christian music,,,,,

Thanks Big Bob..l.

Sevell and Delawarerob………. I will hold on you two untill my bungee cord takes me up,,,,,,,,,
And you forgot yours…….down……..

Here you go Vinke. This girl rocks this song!

Now it’s back…….

Thanks Sir…l….l I can sing that song in 44 tempo……

Some of my weirdo Christian music.

Free will and an omniscient Being aren't in contradiction. Knowing doesn't equal forcing us to sin. If I know you are going to do something stupid tomorrow but I let you, is it my fault? Liberals might say yes, but most of us understand personal responsibility.

Maybe if he could type a complete sentence it would help to understand.

I suppose that depends on what the something is. If I know you are gonna cheat on your wife tomorrow, and do nothing, no one cares. If I know you are gonna massacre a hundred children in a school and do nothing? You're dang right that makes it my fault nearly as much as yours. Oh, but I forgot, the man that murders a hundred children is no worse than the man that cheats on his wife.

Oh goodie, another American Bandstand post.