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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8493373
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seems odd venezuela has not released any names or said what the false flag was supposed to be


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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8493564
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It's all theatre so far.... can't believe most of what you hear.....

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8493573
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Venezuela is the prefect example of how socialism doesn’t work

Unless the goal is an equal distribution of poverty

Canadains need to take note,,,,

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8493611
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The American television channel CBS doubts the success of the CIA operation in Venezuela

According to the channel in its main news program "60 Minutes," the Venezuelan opposition led by María Corina Machado has a 100-hour plan with the Trump administration "for a peaceful transition of power."

However, "there is a possibility that the armed forces could split and oppose the arrival of the new government," says Venezuela-based analyst Phil Gunson


Is this for real?

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María Corina Machado, the Venezuelan opposition leader honored by the Nobel committee, has urged President Trump to help oust the ruler of her country, Nicolás Maduro.


https://www.nytimes.com/2025/10/10/world/americas/maria-corina-machado-trump-support-maduro.html

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Osky] #8493621
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Originally Posted by Osky
[quote=Manfred]
No other country, kingdom, regime, dictatorship, peoples etc have put forth the money and DNA in the form of our young people to try and help others worldwide. Whether war, natural disaster, disease, oppression, human rights, this young country stands tall. Those of us who face the threat and those who support from behind do not waiver, nor do they Question every drop of blood and life lost requesting the perfect tribute.


The people being slaughtered in Sudan right now could really use US help.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Manfred] #8493655
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Originally Posted by Manfred
Originally Posted by Osky
[quote=Manfred]
No other country, kingdom, regime, dictatorship, peoples etc have put forth the money and DNA in the form of our young people to try and help others worldwide. Whether war, natural disaster, disease, oppression, human rights, this young country stands tall. Those of us who face the threat and those who support from behind do not waiver, nor do they Question every drop of blood and life lost requesting the perfect tribute.


The people being slaughtered in Sudan right now could really use US help.


Why don’t doesn’t Germany jump on in and do some good for those folks? One minute your saying America does nothing without selfish narcissistic intention the next you advise where we should get involved?
So be it, my first sentence is not meant to chide, but a serious suggestion. Go for it Germany.

Osky



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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8493659
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Which country keeps the EU solvent?


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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8493680
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Osky, you noticed that too huh? lol

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Manfred] #8493759
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Originally Posted by Manfred
Originally Posted by Osky
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No other country, kingdom, regime, dictatorship, peoples etc have put forth the money and DNA in the form of our young people to try and help others worldwide. Whether war, natural disaster, disease, oppression, human rights, this young country stands tall. Those of us who face the threat and those who support from behind do not waiver, nor do they Question every drop of blood and life lost requesting the perfect tribute.


The people being slaughtered in Sudan right now could really use US help.


https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/trump-pushes-sudan-truce-washington-and-gets-sisi-lean-burhan


There comes a point liberalism has gone too far, we're past that point.
Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Osky] #8493794
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You know Manfred, Osky made a really good point.
Since the end of WW2, the European' mentality has gotten use to Uncle Sam take care of them. Rebuild their country, keep the Russians out, tuck them into bed at night..........Let the Americans do it.....They always have. By the way, take care of Sudan too. It will make your European conscience feel better....That somebody is doing something........
Why don't you Germans do a Sudanese bailout. It's your turn. You call yourselves a first world nation with disposable income and a high standard of living.
Send some troops over there. Throw some money at them. Instead of sitting on your hands get some skin in the game.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: hippie] #8493879
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I appreciate Trump's efforts to resolve this conflict.

But while talking, the (mostly Arab) RSF has taken El-Fasher and is carrying out ethnic cleansing against the black Fur and Nubas.

If we wanted to create a kind of serious global police force, these would be the tasks, not replacing a government elected by a large majority in Venezuela with a US-friendly minority government through a coup that would allow American oil companies back into the country.

If the Venezuelans want socialism, let them have socialism. They'll learn sooner or later. Look at Argentina.

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Originally Posted by Osagan
You know Manfred, Osky made a really good point.
Since the end of WW2, the European' mentality has gotten use to Uncle Sam take care of them. Rebuild their country, keep the Russians out, tuck them into bed at night..........Let the Americans do it.....They always have. By the way, take care of Sudan too. It will make your European conscience feel better....That somebody is doing something........
Why don't you Germans do a Sudanese bailout. It's your turn. You call yourselves a first world nation with disposable income and a high standard of living.
Send some troops over there. Throw some money at them. Instead of sitting on your hands get some skin in the game.



It is always depressing to read US propaganda about Germany and to see how little Americans concern themselves with the actual situation.
A first approach would be to finally end the American occupation of Germany.
It was kind of funny to read when Trump threatened Germany with a withdrawal of troops.

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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Manfred] #8493906
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Manfred. You'd have us take troops out of Germany but would like us to go into Sudan. Ok. I got it.
Sorry to hear you're depressed. You'll get over it.
It's a good thing there were American troops stationed in Germany during the 50s and 60s or you'd be speaking Russian right now.

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Originally Posted by Osagan
Manfred. You'd have us take troops out of Germany but would like us to go into Sudan. Ok. I got it.
Sorry to hear you're depressed. You'll get over it.
It's a good thing there were American troops stationed in Germany during the 50s and 60s or you'd be speaking Russian right now.



I don't want you to invade Sudan. I'm just saying, if you really want to play world police, then choose appropriate tasks.

And if the occupation in the 1950s and 1960s really did stop the Soviets from invading us, which is highly unlikely, then that was 55 years ago. And you're still here.
The more likely scenario is that the Red Army would have withdrawn from East Germany shortly after World War II if the Americans and British had withdrawn from West Germany. The Soviets always knew that the GDR could never be a permanent part of the Soviet Union. Therefore, it was never fully integrated.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Manfred] #8493933
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Before you decide to boot us out you much how much is contributed to your economy by having us there.


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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Drifter] #8493966
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Originally Posted by Drifter
Before you decide to boot us out you much how much is contributed to your economy by having us there.


Why did your ancestors throw out the British? They were a significant economic force, and taxes were lower than they are today.

Of course, US troops are an economic factor. But at what price? In the event of a Third World War, US command centers and nuclear weapons bases here would also be among the first targets for the enemy's nuclear weapons.

And the economic subjugation is disastrous. Since reunification, the US government has no longer been interested in maintaining Germany's economic strength. German companies are being forced to relocate factories to the US, and US corporations are transferring their profits generated in Germany largely tax-free abroad.
Since 1990, Germany has lost more than 25% of its economic output, adjusted for inflation. Large segments of the population are becoming impoverished and slipping into the social security system, while Blackrock asset Merz is making policy for the deep state.
And things will get much worse before they can get better. I now fear that we will have to fall as far as Argentina did before we can see reforms.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8493977
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Manfred, did you just claim Maduro was elected by a Venezuelan majority? You must just make this up as you go.


Just doing what I want now.

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Originally Posted by alaska viking
Manfred, did you just claim Maduro was elected by a Venezuelan majority? You must just make this up as you go.


That was a good one! lol


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Originally Posted by alaska viking
Manfred, did you just claim Maduro was elected by a Venezuelan majority? You must just make this up as you go.


I don't know how reliable the 2024 elections in Venezuela were.
According to Wikipedia, he received 51.2% of the votes, and Emundo González received 43.2%.
One can, of course, claim, as Blinken did, that the elections were rigged.
But has Blinken ever presented the evidence to support his claim?

And even if the elections were rigged, isn't it the responsibility of the Venezuelans to resolve that?

Imagine if Maduro claimed the US election was rigged and that he would send his special forces to bring Biden back to power...

Propaganda works by legitimizing and dehumanizing people, making them easier to eliminate. It makes you hate someone you don't even know personally.
It's so easy to watch someone you hate being murdered. It's much harder to kill someone you see as a father of three young children, a husband, a member of the local church who has helped many, someone fighting to defend the freedom of their country and their family.

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