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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: Dirt] #8494880
10/30/25 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Dirt
The German occupation seemed a little different to me.


Yes. Everyone good friends and believed the enemy sits in the East.

It's more about the formalities, specifically, was the occupation of West Germany ever formally ended?

The occupation of East Germany formally ended in 1949 with the founding of the GDR.

In the West, the occupation statute was replaced in 1952 by the Germany Treaty between the FRG and the three Western Allied powers, which, however, only partially lifted the occupation status.

Many say that the occupation finally ended in 1991 with the entry into force of the Two Plus Four Treaty, signed in 1990.

But even the Two Plus Four Treaty contains no formal provision for ending the occupation. Only in the preamble, which is not part of the treaty's articles, is the following wording found:

"Recognizing that thereby, and with the unification of Germany as a democratic and peaceful
state, the rights and responsibilities of the Four Powers relating to Berlin and to Germany as a
whole lose their function;"

But does "lose their function" really mean that they no longer exist? Or does it perhaps mean that they can continue to exist and regain their importance?

If one has to spin long legal threads to interpret a contract, then in my view it is not unambiguous.

Furthermore, in my view, Germany has clearly violated Article 2 of the Two Plus Four Treaty by participating in the war against Serbia, which was illegal under international law. It is therefore questionable whether the treaty is still valid at all.

Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8494939
10/30/25 10:13 AM
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Reagan said "tear down that wall" and East Germany began to hope they had the same opportunities as the "occupied" West Germans.


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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8494967
10/30/25 11:11 AM
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Manfred it wasn’t that friendly. Many West Germans were hostile to us. Near the one K zone they were very friendly. We didn’t seem to have a high opinion of our comrades either. We called the West Germans Rads. Mostly we were unimpressed with the West German conscript army.


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Re: CIA, special operations forces in Venezuela? [Re: foxkidd44] #8495004
10/30/25 11:59 AM
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The East Germans had their fill of socialism.
Many of them I know say, BRD is on its way to become GDR 2.0.
That is why they are voting for AfD (blue), hoping to turn things around towards conservative politics.
The formerly conservative CDU (black) is more or less running a democrat to socialist agenda now.
SPD (democrats, red) are drifting into insignificance as their left electorate is sucked up bei CDU.
CSU in Bavaria (dark blue) is acting somewhere between AfD und CDU but always voting with their coalition partner CDU in the Bundestag. So if you vote for them you essentially get socialism, too.

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